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  posted on 12/8/2003 at 05:37 PM
I would like all the members who have been stopped from fully participating in this site to make their views known here. We still have a voice, albeit a small one. So we can shout ourselves horse making no difference at all. But then maybe some of the brighter ones will see thats what it all is anyway.
'Give every man thine ear, but few thine voice. Take each man's census, but reserve thy judgement.'

 

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  posted on 12/8/2003 at 06:00 PM
Ok, I was just going to ignore this post, but I feel like trying to be nice and/or helpful

Abbadon, I personally don't feel that you've contributed total garbage to the site; however, i don't think you've contributed much at all. (I could be wrong, but I did go back and read your 10 latest comments).

There are a lot of idiots who have participated in this site, and I don't think you fit into the idiot category.

Instead of getting totally pissy, i suggest you take that initiative and contribute to the site. constructive instead of defensive.

give it some thought.
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  posted on 13/8/2003 at 03:17 PM
After all, we must remember who this site belongs to. No one here, NO ONE has an intrinsic right to participate other than Devin. The rest of us are here because he allows us to be, and if he wants to keep someone out, he has the perfect right to.

He's the one who came up with the idea, designed the site, and keeps it running. If he wanted to, he could shut it down at any second, and no one would be able to stop him. Even if you can't post, but you can read the articles, you still have Devin and his inspiration and hard work to thank for that. Perhaps you could think of that, instead of whining that you no longer get all your fun for free now.

People seem to think that they are entitled to a voice on a private website. They cry, "free speech". Well, go ahead. Practise free speech. No one's going to stop you from saying whatever you want. But even newspapers don't publish every moronic article that every aspiring journalist sends in. It's up to the owners and editors of the paper. And what gets posted on a website is up to the owners and editors as well.

If you want to say whatever you want whenever you want, take the time and energy to build and maintain your own website. Then say what you like.

 

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  posted on 13/8/2003 at 04:32 PM
a diga...a diga diga...digga digga diggity...DELETED!!

Personally I always thought Abaddons ramblings were of peculiar merit in and of themselves...mebbe I was wrong.

And theres nothing uncool about elitism.

 

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  posted on 14/8/2003 at 01:41 AM
I believe you have all hit the nail on the head. The intense need, within the human condition, for the owner of something to display that ownership. My favorite pieces of art are Anonymous, I think Napsta and shareware is theright idea. Is the gift of completely giving ones creation to the world so abjectly lost?

 

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  posted on 14/8/2003 at 02:24 AM
Mmkay, please don't kill me for saying this Abbadon: I think that it's Devin's right to be able to allow people to participate or not. It's his toy, and he wants to keep it pretty, not let it get all gunked up with stupid and idiotic people. I get that, you make something nice, you wanna feel proud of it and keep it that way, not let it get overrun. -BUT- *you* are neither stupid, nor idiotic. So IMHO, you ought to be allowed to contribute, but maybe the karma scripts aren't the most discerning. Maybe you've been moderated down a bit. Hell - look at it as a challenge - to find some fucking amazing things to write about and raise your karma level a bit. I know that you're more than capable of that. *hugs you* I can be your muse if you want!!

 

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  posted on 14/8/2003 at 02:31 AM
Awww, now look what you've done Psyche! I can't argue with you! Ok, ok. I'll give up this quest for freedom of speech. It was doomed anyway! I shall find another outlet for my supressed inteligential needs. Fear not, I shall leave these good people alone. Thank you Psyche. *hug* Speak to you soon. Good luck with the results.

 

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  posted on 14/8/2003 at 02:36 AM
*mwah* You da bombinist! (And thank you for the exam results luck, I think I may need it. *wibble*)

 

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  posted on 14/8/2003 at 02:57 AM
Hey Abbadon, if you want an outlet for your supressed intellectual needs, why don't you start your own website where anyone can post anything.

And if you're going to compare the website to art, then this website is a work of art in progress. Which means it's still in the hands of the artist (Devin) to shape and mold as he likes. You really can't compare it to a finished work, like a painting or a song.

 

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dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"

 

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  posted on 14/8/2003 at 03:03 AM
I didn't say intellectual, I said inteligential.

And it is a very limited view of art you have if you believe that art is only suplient to its audience one it is finished. There are two reasons for the creation of art. One is to open the soul for personal relief, in which case it is not on public display, the other is to express ones emotions to others, in which case there is some need for it based in society and hence the audience not only needs to be present during its inception, but actively participate in it.

 

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  posted on 14/8/2003 at 09:59 AM
I am confused... you used a word not in my vocabulary... "supplient" ... I cannot find it in the dictionary... what were you trying to convey with it? I canna gleen it from context...

 

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  posted on 14/8/2003 at 10:00 AM
you forgot the third reason for creating art... some of us have no choice... it just happens...

 

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  posted on 14/8/2003 at 10:34 AM
I accidentally created art once...six pounds of simtex and a stray donkey...man...that shit was beautiful.

 

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  posted on 14/8/2003 at 11:44 AM
brings tears to my eyes every time I think of it *sniff*

 

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  posted on 14/8/2003 at 12:04 PM
See! Now that is the kind of art you just don't get enough of these days. Explosive biology is the greatest!

 

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  posted on 14/8/2003 at 03:23 PM
I never said you couldn't enjoy art in progress. Please don't put words in my mouth. In fact, I am very much enjoying this particular work of art in progress.

But lets continue with the concept of Shmeng as the work of art. Devin, the artist, started the work. He invited others of like mind to enjoy both the art and the creation of it, rather like members of a band. More and more people noticed the work, and were attracted and joined in. But soon it became apparent that too many cooks were spoiling the broth. Many people were adding to the work of art, but not in a way that enhanced the beauty and effectiveness of the piece. They muddied the colors and garbled the sounds. So Devin decided to remove some of the would-be artists, leaving those that were actually contributing to the value of the production. Many were angered, but without just cause, since the original concept and work were Devin's - it was his project, and the others were only there at his invitation, and had no intrinsic ownership.

 

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dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
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girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"

 

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  posted on 16/8/2003 at 03:00 AM
suppliant: adj. 1. expressing entreaty or supplication. ~n., adj. 2. another word for supplicant [C15: from F supplier to beseech, from L supplicare to kneel in entreaty] - 'suppliantly adv.

I am not surprised a society that corrupts the language it was granted has forgotten such words.

Does a society choose it members? Hitler tried to. Does an artist choose his audience? And if he does can it ever be a true reflection of the dicotomy within the world that all artist are bound to observe?

 

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  posted on 16/8/2003 at 04:44 AM
And I am not surprised that, when someone mispells a word, and then uses it in an awkward context, that confusion arises about what the hell they are trying to say.

Every time a group of friends gets together and does not invite the people they don't like, then you have an example of a society choosing its members. Just because one horrible person attempted to create a society that excluded people for wrong reasons, and enforced it in a terrible way, does not mean that exclusiveness is wrong. It is quite normal and right that a group of people who want to discourse with intelligence and common courtesy, would exclude those who lack intelligence and courtesy.

It's not a question of Devin the artist choosing his audience. Anyone who wants can look at Shmeng. If you are to compare Shmeng to a work of art, then Devin is choosing his co-artists; those that add content, and hopefully beauty, to his work.

And who gives a shit about reflecting the dicotomy of the world? If I want to see dicotomy, I can walk down the street. That's the problem with the world - the dicotomy that includes so many stupid and unpleasant people. In other words, the Shmeng. This website is supposed to be a place where one can escape from and vent about Shmeng, not a place where it is produced.

Universities do not reflect the dicotomy of the world. Or at least, they should not. Universities are a place where the intelligent who want to feed and expand their knowledge get a chance to. They are not places for the stupid or lazy.

Clubs do not reflect the dicotomy of the world. A club for dog lovers excludes those who hate dogs. A club for gardeners excludes those who don't like getting their hands dirty.

All societies choose their members so that like people can group together to acheive a purpose. What good would a scientific society do if they allowed people to join who didn't know oxygen from uranium? What would they ever get accomplished? How stupid it would be if such a society tried to reflect the dicotomy of the world?

One more thing - you seem to like to make such sweeping blanket statements about art and artists - what they are "bound to observe", and what the two sole reasons for producing art are. You make it sound like being an artist is a cut-and-dried thing that you've got all figured out. Which makes me pretty damn certain that you're talking through your ass. There are a million reasons to produce art, and no artists is "bound to observe" any sort of dicotomy, if that's not the subject of his work. Some art is realism, some is idealism, some is no pinpointable -ism at all. Some of it's just plain fun too look at or listen to.

But if you feel so strongly that "dicotomy" needs to be included for things to be all right and valid, then as I've said, no one is forcing you to stay here. Go make your own dicotomy-ful website, and let everyone say whatever they want. I hope you enjoy all the vast spectrum of stupidity and nastiness that we are trying to avoid here. If you don't like the philosophy of Shmeng, and still want to stick around, then forgive me if I don't weep tears of blood for you.

 

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  posted on 16/8/2003 at 06:43 PM
Schitz, I love it when you hyphenate and create new words Along the lines of descriptions of "societies", you're 100% right.

And Abbadon, seriously, what is pissing you off exactly? Most everything I've seen from you is in the forums, which from what I understand are free game to ANYONE. That amounts to a whole lot of nuthin when you count that MOST of what I've ever seen you contribue is along the lines of brit-snob yankee hatin' that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. So I ask, exactly what is it that you're being prevented from doing? Posting an article that clearly and reasonably states WHY you think americans are stupid? Hell, if it's a good read and written well I'm sure it'd be passed with honors by the editors. But then, I don't recall you ever submitting an article, OR starting a forum (other than this one, and if there are others, then enlighten me), so why the lamenting over milk that hasn't been spilled when it didn't exist in the first place?

From what I understand of the "karma" scripts, it's impersonal to prevent favoritism or grudges, so it's not you against the world it's you against yourself.

So, the obvious choices are to participate and let the karma scripts under your username repair themselves, or create your own space and see how much you like it when trolls, idiots, and shit starters run all over it. But then you've always come across as the type who likes the presence of "peons" so as to appear or feel more important and intellectual, vs finding where you fit best with people and being an equal. I could be wrong, and it's not a personal attack, it's just an observation that could be the root of the real issue.

I'm sure you have wonderful things about you that would make good reads, good fights, good discussions, or good fun, but unfortunately you make no attempt to let other people see that. And I hate to break it to you, but nobody suffers from that but yourself.

Oh, and as for american corruption of language, sorry doofy, the europeans that other europeans drove out/shipped out/kicked out took the original form with them, and as with speciation, things like that evolve when spearated by half a world and immersed in a new culture. If people all over the world didn't gradually corrupt their language daily, we'd all be speaking latin, aramaeic (spelled?), or older than that. It's a part of evolution. Step up sucka, or I gonna go blizzouse on your hizzouse. Fo shizzle.



[Edited on 8/17/2003 by bettie_x]

 

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  posted on 17/8/2003 at 05:26 AM
Abbadon: Bettie is right - the karma scripts are impersonal, judging on what has been said, not who said it. You're raging against something which doesn't understand rage. (Now, why do I have rage against the machine in my head?) Stop wasting your efforts on something that you can't change, and instead bloody well prove to everyone that you're as intelligent and funny as I *know* you are.

Schizo: You said that a club for dog lovers excludes those that hate dogs. You're absolutely right of course. But in that case isn't it the person wanting to join who decides if he likes, or hates dogs and not the rest of the club? After all, how can you say someone hates dogs, if you don't know them. They may even appear to hate dogs, but in actual fact love them, and a judgment based on appearances may be incorrect.

Bettie: I heard this joke once; An American tourist was staying at a posh hotel in London and the manager said he'd get someone to show him to the lift. The American laughed at him and said haughtily, "Oh you mean the elevator!". The manager replied, "No, I mean the lift." The American, getting rather stroppy, snapped, "I think I know what it's called, we invented it after all." The manager coolly came back with, "Yes, but we invented the language." ...*hides* *please don't kill me*

 

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