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Abbadon
Fanatic   Posts: 499 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 17/8/2003 at 03:05 PM |
| Misspelt? You are the one discussing the evolution of language! Thats what
dictionaries were invented for. What is good without evil? No man is an
island. Least of all those who socially comment. Dry your tears Mary. I am
not upset, nor do I wish to change anything. That woyld be futile. Who can
change the changer? My article was rejected. Stop doing that Psyche, you
know I can't argue against you! ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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Anonymous
 Posts: 116 Registered: 14/4/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 17/8/2003 at 04:45 PM |
I personally don't think the Karma scripts work. The problem isn't the
scripts at all, but the moderators. It's a human problem. Over the last two
weeks I watched all of my comments moderated down from 2 on average
sometimes 3, to 0 or -1. I found a little probation box in the right bottom
corner soon after that. Now I can’t access the site or contribute to help
my “Karma”. Now I’ve heard of the vengeful/ multiple moderating going on,
and I think that’s what probably happened to me. I also can’t message Devin
to tell him that that’s what I think happened, and I misplaced his e-mail
(so the product of that disposition is ‘fuck it’). I’ve also heard that the
moderators have been bitched at for this, but that doesn’t stop them nor
does it fix any of the problems the moderators are creating (i.e. people
still stay blocked no matter what). It’s become a lord of the flies
setting, chalk full of drama and petty power struggles.
It seems to me that Devin can give a fuck, as he has the right not to.
However, this IS just a nice way of kicking people off the site and not
leave everyone pissed at him. The machine does it, not Devin. He leaves the
responsibility in our hands, but no way (in honest to god actuality) to fix
the problems. It’s a very good system, but I don’t think it allows much
flexibility for anything. Now I know the Karma has a decay period, but how
long does that last? a month? a decade? He wasn’t specific, as he wasn’t
specific about anything in his article on the Karma script. You can infer
his reasons for doing that. A little birdie told me that he wrote the
article for people not in high school, and for those who can really
understand it. I think that’s dog shit and it was written for the
pantheon.
Internet Drama is the worst sin/crime against humanity.
Why build a playground if you don’t want anyone else to play?
You guys should just exchange e-mails. It would be a lot cheaper.
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 17/8/2003 at 08:30 PM |
anonymous: if you're accessing the site, then you probably have access to
the members list, which has everyone's provided contact
information(including email, MSN IM, Yahoo IM, and whatnot). If not, I'm
sure a google search would turn up his personal site which would have his
email. +
The reason, I believe, he wasn't explicit in his description of how the
scripts work is to keep the more motivated from finding loopholes in it so
they could continue to cause shit, OR because he may have thought it wasn't
important enough to get into detail. They're new, I'm sure that the kinks
are still being worked out. My understanding of Devin's article about the
scripts came off that it was written for ADULTS (which is not age specific)
because this is NOT highschool, nor will highschool behavior be acceptable.
If he wanted to write something for "the pantheon" then all he'd have to
do is email it to them, why make the big fuss of a public article to reach
a few people? Plus, if you do'nt know who the moderators are, then how can
you know that it's a power struggle? You don't know WHO they are, how many
they are, why they were given moderator authority...unless a "little
birdie" told you that too. If that is the case then there is a whole
'nother issue on our hands. The only thing worse than drama is rumors and
allegations, and tho I like the new changes, thought it'd clean things up
and help remove the crappiness that had collected and festered, if that
shit starts to fly I'm OUT.
Ahem, Abbadon: As for misspellings, I don't own a dictionary nor do I care
to get one. My spelling is fine but for the occasional typo or word that
eludes me, and that is infrequent enough to allow myself to not care. The
site isn't a question or battlefield for good or evil, it's a website to
escape the idiots of the world. Idiots aren't people who disagree with
everyone, or have unpopular opinions. Just ask monolycus, he's constantly
disagreeing, and his thoughts are rarely outright applauded, and he's far
from an Idiot. I also don't expect you to change, I never asked you or
anyone to do that, and I'm sorry your article was rejected, but not for the
reasons you might suspect. As told to everyone who has an article
rejected, try rewriting it, or making it reasonable or rational and
resubmit it. Or don't, for all I care, you're a free bird do as your
little heart desires.
And Psychopixie, I think I have heard that one before *wink* and I was
talking to a brittish woman at work today who was telling me that when her
daughter was in 6th grade they moved to america, and in class one day she
needed an eraser, and loudly asked the teacher for a "rubber" which made
the class explode in laughter, among other silly to embarassing "language
barriers" with the lingo that they encountered. It's a hoot. ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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Psychopixi
Fanatic  Posts: 376 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/8/2003 at 08:10 AM |
| Solution? Cage the little birdie. ____________________
Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life.
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ickgirl
Member   Posts: 99 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/8/2003 at 08:30 AM |
anonymous person - please send me a message.
don't worry, I'll be nice. I'd like more feedback, etc.
thanks!
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ickgirl
Member Posts: 99 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/8/2003 at 08:33 AM |
woops, sorry. send it to: ickgirl at hotmail
thanks!
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Abbadon
Fanatic Posts: 499 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/8/2003 at 03:05 AM |
| It appears that there is little difference between the idiots you would
escape from and those you would consort with. Who decides what popular
opinion is? The popular who think it, or the unpopular who cannot? I feel
this bird analogy has gone far enough. It does not give scope for accurate
interpretation, as birds have not a brain developed enough for hate. ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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Shade
Fanatic  Posts: 289 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/8/2003 at 07:39 AM |
Wo decides what the popular opinion is abaddon? The powerful decide, that's
who. Then they tell the rest of the society over which they rule how things
have changed. It's a pretty simple concept, and if people would stop crying
over spilt equality then we could probably all have a better time of it.
Now a few things specific to you abaddon; you refuse to play by the rules.
This is obvious in your blatant disregard for the karma free zone that
Devin set up. You don't even try to fit in. You make comments that may seem
very deep and insiteful to you at the moment, but receive either no respons
or a resounding "hunh?". You have made no attempt to actually join in any
conversations except this one which you started in order to bitch and moan
and potentially form a power base of the dissolutioned. When questioned in
other forums you have refused to respond in any way that can be seen as
coherent.
If you actually paid attention to the form and funtion of the site you
would see that it is not a free for all. If you actually read the posts to
which you "respond" you would see that your comments are not on topic. If
you actually deserved our sympathy, you would have earned it by now.
I have no sympathy for your poor little "denied" whinings, but I have every
enthusiasm for the chance to actually address these issues with you.
Perhaps you have a good reason, perhaps you are just a bot set up to annoy,
and perhaps you are a dozen psych and philosophy students in need of an
outlet. Whatever your actual damage is, don't ask for things you are not
willing to give. ____________________
It is only through the lack of sex that humanity derives the need for an
all encompassing blind love. And in that moment of extreme horniness with
no relief in sight, in that moment can be found the birth of religion.
-Me
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Devin
Administrator  Posts: 317 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Online
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posted on 19/8/2003 at 08:43 AM |
I suppose I need to respond to this. I don't believe the karma scripts are
broken. They are not completely accurate at the moment, but this is a
problem with the data they have to work with. I know who the anonymous
poster is, and what the problem is in that case. It may seem like I've just
set this stuff up and forgotten about it, but rest assured, I am paying
attention.
The problem in the anonymous case is that there is not enough data for the
scripts to be effective. The older articles have very little moderation and
rating data, and in this case the member has a lot of older posts. If a
person has a lot of old articles or comments, it's easy for one person to
go through and moderate them down. Even if these older posts simply had
average scores, just having some numbers in there would make it so the one
person moderating them down wouldn't be able to affect it that much. The
more unmoderated posts, the easier it is. The up side is that it's also
easy for people's karma to balance out in these cases without any more
input required from the denied member. More moderation will fix all of
this, so I don't think I need to adjust the scripts.
I am still trying to decide whether to calculate karma daily. Currently
it's calculated every sunday morning just like some of the larger
religions. While this does allow more time for the punished to feel
punished, it draws out stuff like this.
My only comment on Abaddon's case is that Rae and I have had a few
discussions about the man. They're usually the opposite of our discussions
about Sindel. They go something like this:
Rae: Take him back!
Me: No!
Rae: Why'd you have to chase him to my site?
Me: That's what you get for making your site cool
Rae: Please take him back?
Me: Nope, he's all yours now
Rae: Fucker
(I'm not without pity, I'll be setting the karma scripts up for Rae on her
site soon) ____________________
So Sayeth Me
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Rae
Occasional Poster   Posts: 23 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/8/2003 at 10:10 AM |
Yes Please! Thank you for showing your mercy on us by sharing your karma
fairy.  ____________________
Free your mind and your ass will follow
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Anonymous
Posts: 116 Registered: 14/4/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/8/2003 at 09:30 AM |
Finally: Shade, someone who understands me!!! Thank you so much! I can't
believe how long it took for you lot to work it out! My best wishes to your
future, I am sure it will prosper in your insightfulness! (P.S. There is no
sarcasm in this message.) (Apart from that bit.)
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Abbadon
Fanatic Posts: 499 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/8/2003 at 09:31 AM |
| My infinite apologies. I had not noticed I was logged out. I claim the last
message. ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/8/2003 at 11:17 AM |
| It didn't take us that long to figure it out, most of us have just been
fairly polite to avoid an overblown screaming match. ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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Squire-of-Gothos
Fanatic  Posts: 206 Registered: 1/1/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/8/2003 at 10:40 PM |
In my opinion one must look at the situation in two seperate ways, from to
perspective.
1. This site is about equality, equal voice, anyone can say anything
etc.
In such a case, the karma script is a total destruction of what this site
stands for. It is a blatant disregard of peoples voice, and should be
stopped. It's not fair, its mean, and is just a way for powerful moderators
to choice who stays and who goes, and fuck anyone who doesn't like it. Not
cool.....
2. Its Devins site, he made, he rules it, we don't need no stinking freedom
of speech.
Yeah, karma blows, but who friggin cares? Did Devin make Shmeng and
proclaim, "Let their be Shmeng! And Let anybody come here and muss it up!"
No. Not once. As far as I'm concerned (not being a pet or a fanatic, just
an average Joe mind you) Devin can change my name to ChEeSe_Fucker69 and
their aint shit I can do, nor do I have a right to complain. Its his, and
he's said it from the start. And if Devin wants to watch a big fun zoo full
of interesting exotic animals instead of a bunch of muskrats and toads,
then so be it. He wants a modicum of intellectual and interesting people to
populate HIS site, who are you to complain.
I feel gifted just being alowed to post here, its an honor and a
privaledge. Thats not brown nosing, thats the straight shit. I'm able to
get together with other people who aren't total nimrods, and hold
interesting conversations about life, and thats a privaledge most people
don't have. The majority of the world population is not as smart as most of
the members here, and if Karma, and picky moderators are what it takes to
keep it that way, then I couldn't be happier. It's a retreat from the daily
bordome of middle class life, and I love it.
Either way, I can't write for beans, which means I never post articles, so
I'll be labelled a forum lurker. That sucks, but what are you going to do?
I don't know of any place like this, and I can't imagine leaving, so I live
with the pain of Karma, and an ever increasing elitist attitude toward the
memebers on the site. This is the price one pays for Shmeng admission, and
I gladly fork it over. ____________________
“The only thing that can alter the good writer is death.”
“You know that if I were reincarnated, I’d want to come back a buzzard.
Nothing hates him. He is never bothered or in danger, and he can eat
anything.”
Faulkner
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