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  posted on 9/10/2002 at 09:49 PM
I'm watch'in Connan and he just said that a new study shows that 64% of Americans are over weight.
I know that usually information from late night comedy shows aren't really something you should take seriously but still, I wouldn't be surprised about it if were true.

What's your take on the weight issue of America?
Should politicians drop the "blame toxic entertainment for corrupting our children" act and actually tackle some RELEVANT issues such as this one? Maybe we should start getting pissed that there are constant commercials on children's networks constantly bombarding their viewers with advertisements of high sugary products?

[Edited on 10/10/2002 by AloneSoul]

[Edited on 10/10/2002 by AloneSoul]

 

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  posted on 9/10/2002 at 11:25 PM
I think that we should just get fat...fuck it...at least ill die happy!! muhahahah

but seriously...i have no sympathy for "over weight" people....My mother was 300lbs+ and lost 167lbs in 16 months..and has kept it off for years...and supposedly she had a thyroid problem that made her fat or whatever...its all bullshit...its the laziness of the person that keeps them fat...and you know what...the people that say excersize doesnt work..they are retarted too...if you run everyday for 30 minutes or even swim it will knock calories down...i gained 20 pounds when i got to the island...and i swam everyday for 30-60 mins and i got back to my normal weight in 15 days....

People are fat because they want to be...if they got off there asses and worked out and dieted right...then they could get somewhere....but if they are gunna bitch about and try and sue places like McDonalds and JackintheBox becasue they "MADE" him fat...then they are just making excusses because they fat lazy peices of shit....nuff said...

sorry Alone..i hate this issue...always makes me mad...

'here is a hint...smoke alot of weed and dont eat junk food...shit i lost all my weight from smokin and not eating cause i didnt wanna go anywhere to get the food. but hey..whatever works..jsut do it..no excusses

 

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  posted on 9/10/2002 at 11:48 PM
Morte, I agree with you to some extent, but not all the way. I have a couple of friends that are genetically obese...One friend, her whole FAMILY is obese...so are her grandparents. She excercises (but nothing strenuous) and she's a vegan and stays off the junkfood. She can keep herself from getting BIGGER but even when she tried a couple of months of gym exercises and watching her calorie intake more carefully, she lost a couple pounds, but not much. She doesn't complain, she knows she's "fat" and that her genes are working against her worse than most people, and she just is heath conscious so that even tho she's big, she's not unhealthy.
Another friend is also "queen" size. She takes after her dad's side of the family, which are big big boys and fertility idol shaped women. She also watches her diet and walks a lot to keep herself active. She doesn't bitch either. Yes, her weight bothers her, but she also knows that genetics are to blame for her current size, but laziness will make her BIGGER.
It makes me VERY angry when I hear of people thinking of suing fast food. For attractive packages, alluring ads, for peddling fatty foods. NOBODY MAKES YOU EAT IT. NOBODY MAKES YOU PULL YOUR CAR THROUGH THE DRIVE THRU AND STUFF YOUR FACE ON HEART ClOGGING CRAP.
My ass is getting bigger, you know. Why? Because I"m tired all the time. Why? Because I don't work out. Why? Because I"m lazy. It bothers me, so I've been laying off the vegan junk food and luxuries and making more home meals. I do situps (when I remember) and pushups (when I remember) and all that crap (when I remember). I was 165lbs my junior year of highschool. Through getting a job where I was busting my ass all day long, only eating when I was REALLY hungry, and cutting down on portions and fatty/fried food, I lost 60lbs in well under a year. Granted how I got to 105lbs was by inadvertantly starving myself without realising it, and then when my mom was checking my teeth for signs of bolemia, and asking me if I was eating whenever I saw her, I realised I wasn't a healthy weight. I was a size 1, which believe me was REALLY fun after being a size 16, I realised I wasn't healthy, and bumped my weight up to 110-115. I don't know what I weigh now, but it's a little more than I would probably like so I'm doing my tried and true method. Eating and acting healthy.
It's not all genetics and it's not all laziness.
But when I went to disneyland when I was 20 I couldn't help but notice just how many seriously overwieght and obese kids there were. I'm not talkin baby fat. I'm talkin FAT. Then saw those kids at the buffet in the morning chowing down on loads of sticky, sweet breakfast stuff, no fruit no nothing...while their parents looked the other way.
Plus, with all the video games out there, why get up and go outside?

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 01:04 AM
Shit, the people who _should_ be sued are the parents who gives/allowes their kids breakfasts and/or steady diets like that. Friggin' child abuse!

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 06:26 AM
It's just that exersize isn't promoted enough and children today can EAT all they want without parental influence. It's sick the way they are being raised.

You can stay inside all you want and still be healthy. I have my weights, my bench in my garage and the exersize bike in the tv room. I'll let my brain rot alittle infront of the tv but I'll be ON top of the bike.
A hour a day, that's what I do to keep in shape. You don't even need that dedication! If kids would just exersize more, half our atleast, we wouldn't have this problem! But if you look at these "award winning childrens channels/shows" you'll see pratically every commercial is for some sugary product.

God, one thing that gets to me, I see a 10 year old girl who's stomach hangs out further than her face or toes do....
There's something wrong here and like I said before, 9 out of 10 times it's the parents.

I'm NOT shunning people over weight but I'm asking you out there, get up and exersize more and eat better foods. Dedication will win this.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 06:36 AM
Last I heard, that 64% was right.

Since I've graduated high school and been off the swim team, I've noticed a slight growth forming in my stomach. Now surely this has to do with big bones, or the fact that I'm a healthy individual who lives a robust life and doesn't starve myself. I'm relatively sure it has nothing to do with beer...

Now I will agree that curvy is good. I know a girl that complains about her weight but is the actually damn sexxy. Even Marilon Monroe (horribly misspelled I know) would be considered overweight by today's fashion standards.

However, it's when people get to be fat, that the problems start. It is not a medical condition, it is not a handicap, it is stupidity and laziness. It's not even the hamburger that made you fat, it's the 10th hamburger, followed by the roast chicken, that made you fat.

What gets me, is these people that can't get out of bed because they are so fat. The ones that need the doors cut out so the doctors can get their fat carcases out of the house when they die. How do you get to be that fat. I mean, if you are bed ridden, you can't exactly go shopping for all the food you consume, let alone get a job to earn the money to buy it. Someone has to help these people get this fat. I know that if someone in my family was like that, and they told me to go bring them another side of beef, I know what I'd say to them.

Here's the best part, fat people are now a group that can be discriminated against. They have organizations that can sue if you make fat jokes, or show fat people in a way they don't like. I don't really see how this works. I mean, it's a choice to be fat, unlike race and gender (well, ok, Micheal Jackson chose to be a white woman, but that's a different story). Being fat shows a disregard for your body, just like not bathing, drug use, or body mutulation. If it came down to someone who is fat and someone that is the proper weight during an interview, I go with the non fat person. If someone doesn't respect themselves enough to stay healthy, how can I expect them to respect their job?


On a side note, why are the post and preview buttons changing size on mouse over?? Is it just me, or are we all seeing it??

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 08:31 AM
This problem isn't as big over here, but believe me, we're catching up fast. I know I'm a lazy git - I do sod all in the way of exercise and I consider myself very lucky to just stay slim anyway. Thing is, I *do* eat relatively healthily, I walk around Killay with my friends, I end up doing more than just sitting at a computer all day.

I agree with the people who've said that if you get fat then it's your problem. Can't blame McDonalds - they didn't pay to shove their food down your throat. Can't blame TV - it didn't make you sit in front of it for hours non-stop. Can't blame themselves - they know deep down that it is their fault they're the size they are and they don't like that fact. So everyone else gets the blame.

Fair enough if they do have a medical/genetic condition that means they are over-sized. My nan isn't exactly slim but she does eat healthily and exercises as much as she can considering her age and her health. It's not her fault and I have no problems with people like her.

People who just do shit-all all day and bitch about their size? Pathetic.

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 12:18 PM
moderation. enjoy stuff that you like. but dont go over board with it.

Exersize. Go for a walk. Go swimming.. do something involving movement.

Will power.

Im not a bone thin person, but im not massive either. im comfy and with all three of those things..

it helps me feel good...

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 12:37 PM
"it is not a handicap, it is stupidity and laziness. "

wow, aren't you an ass.

someone who is extremely overweight isn't necessarily STUPID and they aren't necessarily lazy either.

how incredibly insensitive. And then you bitch about people who can't get out of bed.
think how absolutely horrible their lives are. do you think they enjoy it? do you, perhaps, think that they are miserable, depressed, and beyond the point of being able to get up out of bed?

overweight people are, quite possibly, the most targeted group for hatred. whatever color you are, whatever religion you are, whatever gender you are - there will always be this group of people telling you how STUPID and LAZY you are.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 12:54 PM
excellant point ick. i compleatly agree. its people like that, that make the heavier people have even lower esteem because all they hear is ridecule about thier bodys.

Its not stupidity. and its not always laziness. It could just be that they have weight on thier body. and SO what if they do? its not your problem. its theirs.. even IF it is a problem with them. Some people are quite happy being heavy.

And i had mentioned this awhile back, but i did read this in a bitch magazine. Fat people are becoming the new "blackface". If you dont believe me, watch all those movies with people wearing fat suits.

Its HILARIOUSE watching fat people try to have normal everyday lives.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 01:05 PM
If someone is bedridden because they weigh over 700 pounds, then there are two reasons for it,
a: you have some out of control hormone problem
b: lunch consisted of 1 lb of pasta, 2 fried chickens, a dozen or so hamburgers, and some meatloaf

If a, then well, it's not you're fault, I'm not complaining about you, if b, then hell yes there is a problem.

And the problem isn't just the person who is bedridden. Like I said, where is the food comming from. Who is buying and cooking it. I actually heard of someone who ate exactly as I said above. There was no way that they could have made it to the store to buy all of that. With the money spent on one meal for this person, I could probably eat for a week. If you're bedridden, you don't make that kind of money, right? There are normally familly members cooking and serving the food to people like this. They are as much to blame as the person eating all of that. How do you let someone in you're family eat themselves to such an unhealthy state.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 01:51 PM
Like almost every discussion we've been having lately, this is not a black & white, cut and dried, it's this or that issue, although you wouldn't guess from the high minded, gross oversimplifications that get puttered about.

As far as Xaos' point about someone who is bedridden and has to call in fat to work because the doorways have gotten too narrow to admit them... apart from three or four cases in the history of humanity (most of which are covered by the Weekly World News), that does not happen for exactly the reasons Xaos described. They can not fend for themselves and unless you are the bloated emperor of some very rich fantasyland, nobody in their right mind is going to enable you to "live" that kind of lifestyle. It is such a rare phenomenon that it really does not enter into the debate.

Yes, overweight people are the objects of ridicule in a culture that is so obsessed with the superficial that they will inject military grade neurotoxins into their faces and kill healthy tissue in an attempt to avoid wrinkles. Yes, it is not entirely unexpected that young people in the aforementioned culture will develop eating disorders unto death because they have never gotten a handle on the fact that there are more important things than their appearance (not an indictment of the anorexics/bulimics, but rather the culture that produces them), and that human variation extends to morphic types beyond the thin.

A Parable:

Silly Person A, who happens to have the good fortune of having a reasonably high metabolism, thinks that people become fat because they eat too much. Silly Person A has absolutely no idea how the human body works and can not deal with more than a single variable at a time apparently... but they would not accept that obvious fact so there's no point going on about it. Since Silly Person A believes that eating too much causes clinical obesity, they see Overweight Person and think to themselves "My, Overweight Person certainly is rotund. Overweight Person must have no self control whatsover since they are not as svelte as myself!" Silly Person A goes on their merry, self-righteous way and is hopefully killed while wandering into traffic while yakking self-importantly on a cell phone.

Silly Person B thinks that they are much cleverer than Silly Person A because they not only have a high metabolism, but are also able to juggle two variables in a single bound. They have convinced themselves that clinical obesity is caused by eating too much and not getting enough exercise. When they see Overweight Person, they think to themselves "My, Overweight Person is awfully rotund. They must have no self-control and must also be slothful and lazy. Aren't I clever for figuring out their problem? I should have been a doctor or scientist!" What Silly Person B is actually suited for is lying on a compost heap until they turn into topsoil, but that is neither here nor there.

In reality, Overweight Person holds down a job that does not pay very well. When Overweight Person goes to the supermarket, they can not afford "organic", "healthy", "lite", or "natural" products. They have to buy what they can afford, which is largely composed of high fructose corn syrup and colouring. Overweight Person knows what the various Silly People think and feels terrible about themselves. When they get the opportunity (which does not happen often because they are chained to a desk for eight to ten hours a day so they can keep a roof over their heads), they engage in radical diets which alter their biochemistry so that they burn food even more slowly than they did before once their bodies adjust to the new intake levels. Overweight Person swallows their shame of their body in order to join a gym, only to discover that rapid weight loss, stress and anxiety from the judgements of others, and physical strain are a perfect combination for a heart attack. Since Overweight Person was poor to begin with (and obviously fat and lazy, I mean, just look at them!), they do not receive the health care that Rich, Slim Good Looking Person would have received and do not pull through, ending a life of self-recrimination and anguish because they had internalised all of the judgements of the Idiot People.

At Overweight Person's funeral, all the poor, bereaved Idiot People turn up to murmur about how "natural" Overweight Person looks in the casket (Idiot People only care about how people look, whether they are in a casket or at a soiree) and mutter their condolences. "If only Overweight Person had taken better care of themselves!" they moan. "Why, if Overweight Person hadn't been so lazy and had more self-control, they would be with us today!" My, what a mixed blessing that would be.

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 02:34 PM
Monolycus, that was awesome. *nods*

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 02:48 PM
To set things clear from my stand point, I am not ridiculing, stereotyping or trying to insult the overweight individuals in anyway. I wanted to bring this issue to light.

Itís very sad though to see our people heading in this direction, young and old leading a unhealthy lifestyle, not being able to enjoy the simpler pleasures that thinner people do, having to deal with CONSTANT laughter and ridicule. The damage they receive mentally worries me some but the physical damage does more.

40 percent of about 100 million is very, very bad. 65 percent (even if that is accurate) is a national crisis. (Like so many others we do/donít have, scrutinized by the media)

Parents set their children infront of the ďwholesome tvĒ for ďfamily qualityĒ entertainment. These kids simply soak in the information spewed from the tv all the time. Sometimes, they want the ďfun foodĒ products they see on tv. Sooner or later, they will gain a insatiable appetite for these products.

The FDA for Christís sakes let a product pass which is just a tube of peanut butter.
I know kids arenít stupid, they are smarter than we all believe but what about the adults? They buy this crap and they let their children devour it. Adults let this pass. Older adults consider it ok to ďlet themselves go.Ē Same with our housewives trapped in their coffins of a home.

ick, I agree that overweight individuals are targeted easier. Iím not trying to make fun of anyone. My point is that this IS a problem and our nation really has to do something about it.

People seem to listen to the tv a lot more then they should. If those fucking geniuses at congress really gave two shits they would take issues like this to light as they did for entertainment or whatnot. THIS is for the health and safety of our people.

Also Vamp, the whole MTV image is driving the weaker minded people into pushing their weight down WAY too far. I agree, we need to find a balance in the middle. Iím 165 lbs, I went up from 115 lbs in two years. *i donít even know how my weight was down that low, i ate a lot, i wasnít anorexic or belemic(spelled wrong, i know)* My body is how I like it, cut and muscular. I worked, my brother helped me. My brother was about 312 lbs, *6'1, Iím 6'2* he took off the weight, kept it off and worked to get the muscle he has, he now weights 256(maybe more, maybe alittle less)lbs of pure muscle. Heís not shredded like those ugly body builders are, heís not going for that. *Iím not either*

The way I see it,
A) if you are on your own then all you have is yourself. May as be in your best shape if that challenge should come again. Mentally and physically.
B) we really should give our younger generations to enjoy life to itís fullest.
C) same with our older generations.
D) if you are overweight and are feeling ashamed or angered by this thread, donít. Itís only a little input as a wake up call.

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 02:49 PM
"a: you have some out of control hormone problem
b: lunch consisted of 1 lb of pasta, 2 fried chickens, a dozen or so hamburgers, and some meatloaf

If a, then well, it's not you're fault, I'm not complaining about you, if b, then hell yes there is a problem."

i think you missed my point entirely.

a: it's none of your business WHY someone has become severely obese

b: MOST people who become SEVERELY obese have other issues which lead to the outward problem that you wish to bitch about. i'm not saying they necessarily have a problem with glands, i'm saying - most people who become severely obese have very real issues with food! how can you slam down on someone who is having a HARD TIME? a really hard time

there are much bigger issues for you to be pissed off about then why some BIG FATSO isn't as mobile as yourself.

people turn to food for all sorts of reasons, most of which aren't pleasant. so kindly think about that for awhile. people are lonely, scared, depressed, you name it - and it is SAD when people lose the will to take care of themselves, it's not something which should piss another off.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 02:55 PM
Ack, sorry but I forgot to mention this. Iím not pissed about this, debates just set a spark for me. I am not angry in anyway for people because of their physical disabilities, it came off as I did then forgive me for causing confusion.

I think I already have mentioned this...
Well, just to let you all know. heh.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 02:56 PM
Alone -

I completely agree with you that this is a problem!

I just don't think it helps when folks blame and ridicule and call overweight people lazy and stupid. (which was said by someone else in this forum).

Weight has become an obsession. More people are obese and more people are anorexic.

This is an insanely complex issue. One that is much more complicated than food-to-hand-to-mouth. Obesity is part of a much larger picture - for the individual and as a societal issue. Psychiatric pharmacology, anorexia, bullemia, drug abuse, self-mutilation. People turn to all sorts of things.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 02:59 PM
Believe me I know. My father had the turning to foods problem along with dealing with shift work. My mother for a short time too. *she cut down her weight though* My sister was anorexic for a while and my bro was too for a short time, back in high school, his wrestling coach forced him to make weight.

He was one of the best in Southern Nj.

Fucker ruined that for him. Idiot "coach" was kicked out of the old school though.

Ack, off topic. Sorry!

 

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 03:33 PM
Thanks, Court... although I think my efforts could have been better spent elsewhere. There is no explaining that statistics are inherently misleading, that Western medicine uses archaic and largely meaningless anthropometrics to determine "ideal" height/weight ratios and that the principles of human variation indicate that larger people with more body fat are not necessarily any less mobile or healthy than thinner people to anyone who has internalised the "superiority" of being thin. I can't point out how flawed the data are if someone is using them to justify their Weltbild, and I have better things to do than to do than to try to argue with anyone whose priorities involve keeping their waists and their minds as small as possible.

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  posted on 10/10/2002 at 07:15 PM
Ick,

The only reason I am voicing my opionins about this subject are because it was brought up. In truth, I don't care if/why someone is fat, unless they bring it up, or if their weight becomes a problem for me, like if a friend comes to me with a about a weight problem, or if I can't get around someone in a hallway. Other than that, I don't care, I don't get pissed about someones weight or condition, it's not my problem. I have better things to bitch about.

And as for the "lazy and stupid remark" I'll chalk that one up to me having a really bad day, if you want details I can share, otherwise, I take it back.

As it is however, I still believe that there are few people out there that are severely overweight due to a physical condition, the rest are overweight because the just have to finish that buck of chicken. I went to Mc Donalds yesterday, I got a Big N Tastey, my friend got one too, he also got a quarter pounder and a chicken sandwhich. He weighs 40-50 pounds more than me, coincidence?

America as a nation is going to be overweight I believe for one simple reason, we nolonger have to do hard physical labor. Take a look around, even our farms are becoming more and more mechanized. Most of us get to sit on our asses all day, or we only have to walk around in a 20' square. If you have to life anything over 30 lbs, most places will require you to have some one helpe you lift it. We rarely have to even lift a pencil anymore, as long as you can lift your fingers you can type you can effectively write reports/memos/letters.

Overweight insn't much the problem as being severely over weight. This is where if they can't control their weight on their own, then they need seek medical attention. There are several medical conditions that can arise from being severely overweight, heart conditions are only one.

 

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