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AloneSoul
Fanatic   Posts: 522 Registered: 6/7/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/10/2002 at 09:49 PM |
I'm watch'in Connan and he just said that a new study shows that 64% of
Americans are over weight.
I know that usually information from late night comedy shows aren't really
something you should take seriously but still, I wouldn't be surprised
about it if were true.
What's your take on the weight issue of America?
Should politicians drop the "blame toxic entertainment for corrupting our
children" act and actually tackle some RELEVANT issues such as this one?
Maybe we should start getting pissed that there are constant commercials on
children's networks constantly bombarding their viewers with advertisements
of high sugary products?
[Edited on 10/10/2002 by AloneSoul]
[Edited on 10/10/2002 by AloneSoul] ____________________
 but at least you know, just how much pain there is in living
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Anya
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 31/3/2004 at 08:43 AM |
Don't worry Feral. Every time he calls someone a Fascist I can always call
him a Communist. 
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/3/2004 at 02:52 PM |
| abadon: I reccomend that you find a different catch phrase... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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LadyCygnet
Fanatic  Posts: 287 Registered: 31/10/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/3/2004 at 11:24 AM |
Anya: Back when I actually had time and access to equipment, when I was in
high school, I was a size 14, and a muscular 180 lbs. My ideal weight was
160.
Soooo, anyway, it's an endless cycle for some people. Stress produces
cortisol, which contributes to weight gain, which causes more stress, which
causes more cortisol, which causes more weight gain...etc, etc...
Some days, I would kill to look as good as I did back then. I had really
nice shoulders and everything.
But then came college, and more stress, and a lot of work, and sexist
fuckers who wouldn't let me use the weight room, and the freshman 15 every
year...fun stuff.
It's been a slow decline, but I love the fact that my pants are looser now.
:p
The big problem is, though, in order to lose weight, people have to find
new ways of channelling stress, being able to afford healthy food, having
the time to actually exercise, and being able to love themselves no matter
what they look like. It really is an uphill battle of Sysiphus
proportions.
____________________
"To Live is to Annoy." -- Rev. Lambert Reilly, Archabbot, St. Meinrad Abbey
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Anya
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/3/2004 at 07:45 AM |
Though I don't necessarily blame ALL people for putting weight on their
self, there are some that have a problem with it. My mom is an example.
In her younger years, my grandma used to starve and fast her so that she
would reach the "ideal weight." This eventually contributed to her current
diabetes for her body began to produce more sugar than needed. So not only
does she have a weight problem, it's harder for her to fight it since she
has arthritis and has to eat to keep her sugar levels in good condition.
I'm one of those few former obese people that worked their ass off to
obtain a healthy weight. Nearly two years ago, I was over 210 lb and could
barely fit a size 16 for most women's clothing. Now I'm 5'7 and 155 lb
(maybe a few more or less) and down to the size range of 10 to 15 (those
really small 15's)...my overall average size being 12's. I think I'm at a
good weight - I'd be considered perfect a decade or so ago, but there are a
few pounds I plan to lose. I'm happy at where I am at now, but would be
even more happy to get down to about 145 lb. It was hard to get the
determination to lose weight, but I did it. One method included a special
diet, but for most of the time, it included watching what I ate.
I do think obesity is an issue, but if people want to be obese, that's
fine. Some can't help it, but there are others I think who can. It's not
easy, but it can be done.
[Edited on 3/30/2004 by Anya]
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Abbadon
Fanatic  Posts: 499 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/3/2004 at 07:04 AM |
| Whats wrong with a weight problem in America? Its culling capitalists you
fascist. ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/3/2004 at 03:57 AM |
| It is also good to remember that being underweight is not necessarily any
more healthy than being overweight, it's just more fashionable. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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LadyCygnet
Fanatic Posts: 287 Registered: 31/10/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 29/3/2004 at 01:40 AM |
Okay, that's an interesting way to bump a topic to the top.
At any rate, I think I should just start out by saying I'm 5'5" and 270lbs,
just so there's no confusion.
First of all, all but one member of my family is huge. On one side, we
have huge, rawboned, strong people, and on the other, we have medium
framed, full-figured people. I got my mother's figure on my father's
massive body frame. I'm larger than most people, but it's all in
proportion. For my size, I've had relatively few problems. It's only
recently that I've started to have trouble with my feet and back, but most
of that can be attributed to the extreme levesl of stress I'm enduring at
this time.
Speaking of stress, the only time when I was fashionably thin was when I
was a toddler and had worms. Other than that, and especially after I was
sexually assaulted by a trusted relative, I became and remained a big gal.
Fun, huh?
I bust my ass every day at my job, and I usually only eat one meal a day,
and that's at work. Thanks to my dad's side of the family, I also have a
gloriously slow metabolism.
And, contrary to popular belief, we fat people do not spend all fucking day
eating. A lot of nurses I work with are as fat or fatter than I am, and we
all bust our asses to get the work done, and we get very few breaks, if any
at all. I make very little money, and, as Wolf so aptly pointed out, the
healthy food is not the inexpensive food. It's pretty sad when it costs $3
to get a bag of carrots, but it's 88 cents for a bag of greasy potato
chips. My family was very poor growing up, and food was scarce, so we ate
what we could afford....mainly a lot of rice and potatoes and peanut
butter.
Fortunately for me, I like to walk and dance, and my abdominal muscles and
legs love me for it. I also do repetitive lifting of heavy charts day in
and day out, so my arms get quite a workout as well.
True, we could all benefit from a little more activity and less eating of
unhealthy foods; however, we could also benefit from learning a little more
sensitivity, and a little more effort to try to see things from another
person's perspective without making sweeping generalizations about one
particular group. Surely our imaginations aren't that limited.
[Edited on 29/3/2004 by LadyCygnet] ____________________
"To Live is to Annoy." -- Rev. Lambert Reilly, Archabbot, St. Meinrad Abbey
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Anonymous
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posted on 28/3/2004 at 11:18 PM |
Ølmave
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Ironboots
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 893 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/4/2003 at 03:38 PM |
Hey hey hey hey! WE (as in the majority of US citizens) did not choose him.
MOST of us chose Gore. But because of that damned electoral college system,
weasels can get into office. 
But its glad to see you back again, Abbadon, offering your little bizarre
comments. ____________________
Piggy's got the Conch!
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Abbadon
Fanatic Posts: 499 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 2/4/2003 at 02:41 PM |
Oh yeah, and all Americans are fat and stupid. They did elect George Bush
to represent them and he does.
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Abbadon
Fanatic Posts: 499 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 2/4/2003 at 02:39 PM |
When I watched Conan he just went around killing people and badly animated
monsters and having sex with scantily clad maidens.
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MystryssRavynDarque
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 648 Registered: 24/9/2002 Status: Offline
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 posted on 1/4/2003 at 02:20 PM |
I recently watched an episode of Jenny Jones, while I was taking care of my
grandmother, which had toddlers and young children weighing upwards of 100
pounds. There was a two year old boy who weighed 150 pounds. His diet
included two breakfasts where he would eat 4 pancakes, half a pot of grits,
3 glasses of milk, 5 peices of sausage, all for the first breakfast. For
the second he would eat 2 bowls of cereal and 5 glasses of juice along with
2 pieces of toast. For lunch he would eat 2 double cheeseburgers, a large
order of fries, and 3 cokes from McDonalds. For dinner he would eat 1 and
a half pork chops and so much more food along with snacks throughout the
day.
Obviously it is the parents fault in this situation along with the parents
of the other obese children. It is very easy to see that this is why so
many children are ending up with type 2 diabetes.
This sickens me. I cannot say that I have the healthiest diet in the
world, but I do not eat nearly that much in 5 days. I don't even eat
McDonalds or other fast foods unless I must. I find it all fattening and
disgusting. I am not looking forward to forcing myself into an early heart
attack. ____________________
"People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell
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Sticupus
Fanatic  Posts: 254 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 31/3/2003 at 09:06 PM |
The study is, from my knowledge, correct.
Human beings need a certain amount of exercise and food a day. The modern
American human lifestyle does not fit into the template that evolution has
made for us. The long strenuous hunt for food has turned to the drive
through. We eat what we like, because we are capable and can choose.
However, our diet does not usually reflect our needs. Sugars and fats are
at an all time high in the human diet. Exercise is not met to our bodily
standards. Our bodies simply try to reach an equilibrium with our
environment and our activity, thus our muscles atrophy and turn to fat.
Generalized standards are not however the answer to all problems, as Callei
pointed out, some people are genetically disposed to certain shapes and
weights and are appropriate for their genes. But it is important to
understand yourself and what your body composition should be. Many people
cannot do this on their own because their personal view of what they should
be like can be too idealistic, and they do not hold realistic goals- but
everyone can be at a healthier state with a little initiative. People
should be exercising about 3 to 5 times a week at minimum for at least 20
minutes per day they do it. Find something you like to do, like swimming or
yoga. And the diet should not consist of Mac and Cheese, a pile of meat
soaked in butter and a beer. For proper food tips, ask your local hippie
what to eat.
Personally, I know what is appropriate for my shape and size of my body. I
am 6 foot tall, and currently 170 pounds. I expect to gain weight as I gain
muscle mass- but I have an appropriate body image in mind. I do not expect
to have six pack abs ever. Why? Like 50% of the population, I have a
natural fat pad over my abdominal muscles. They can be toned, and strong,
but they will never be ripping and defined. Personally, I don’t care about
that stuff, all I want to be is healthy. Body image is a side effect of my
good health, not a main goal; I think that’s where success will lie with
most people.
The average American is overweight and in poor health. I believe this is
due to unrealistic image ideals and lifestyle that can be changed by a
state of mind. Think of good health before you think of good body image.
The first will cause the latter. ____________________
The OBOLISK is Divine.
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Geist
Member   Posts: 127 Registered: 5/11/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 30/3/2003 at 11:02 PM |
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Chasity - the most unnatural of all sexual perversions...
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Squire-of-Gothos
Fanatic  Posts: 206 Registered: 1/1/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 4/1/2003 at 12:46 AM |
| It blows to be fat but what about the skinny. I'm six foot four, and I
weigh 125 pounds. Its fucking disgusting. People thing I'm ugly, I can't
lift shit or fight. I'm repulsed by myself in the mirror. The problem isn't
fat or skinny or perfect its being comfortable with yourself. If everyone
had positive body image (impossible considering how woman are bombarded
with images of 120 pound models with D cups as the right way to look, and
men are told to have washboard abs and bend steel with there biceps) we'd
all be cool. And as for the health of an obese person, trust me I'd rather
die fat and happy with a stomach full of sushi and steak, with clogged
arteries, than die a retched bean pole living on tofu. ( but I do love
those veggie burgers so much) ____________________
“The only thing that can alter the good writer is death.”
“You know that if I were reincarnated, I’d want to come back a buzzard.
Nothing hates him. He is never bothered or in danger, and he can eat
anything.”
Faulkner
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Domkitten
Fanatic  Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 26/12/2002 at 06:59 AM |
What a fine kettle you've all boiled up.
Monolycus you've probably made the most realistic and realitive statments,
and for that I thank you. I read your comments and wept.
I'm a fat girl. I've my own issues with it. I've been a fat girl for a long
time, but not always. Most of the time I have no problems with it. Then
there are weeks on end where all I can think about is being a fat girl and
what I'm going to do about it. Am I lazy? Sure, I work ten hours a day, go
to the gym for an hour in the morning, and walk a mile up hill to my
apartment each night. So I'm lazy, and fat.
Do I eat to much, yeah, I manage to squeeze in one vegitarian meal a day,
and I snack on fruits and veggies and occasionally backed potato biscuits
and squid. So yeah, I'm definately overeating.
Am I still a fat girl. Yep. Do I have issues about it. You bet your tiny
little asses I do. However, does it make my life less meaningful. No, I
don't think it does. Regardless of body shape type and classification, you
are the person you are based a hell of allot more on what you do, how you
live, and how you judge others than whether or not you have the good
fortune to be fat or thin.
That goes just as much for the person who eats the caloric intake of
Ethiopa and lays in bed all day, as it does for the treadmill running, iron
pumping goths who spend all day checking their pecks in the mirror.
Regardless of how much of an epidemic it is, I rarely ever see any thin
people or fat people really trying to make much of a difference. Mostly
it's just condemnation or suggestions or allot of mindless chatter. Very
rarely is there every any real understanding or direction to us fat people
that will help us to get well. And most of the time the utter shit that
poors from the mouth makes a regular old fat person want to go eat a
cookie.
Rather than be surprised and disgusted about it, AloneS, why don't you head
to the neighborhood Y and go swimming with some kids, or maybe befriend
that fat kid in the corner no one wants to play with and share you weights.
Make a freaking difference rather than bitch.
And trust me, sitting on my inordanately large ass bitching on this message
board is not helping me burn any calories, but spending my days with kids
educating them about overeating and doing my best to set an example (as a
fat person they don't want to end up as) is a far better deal. It's not
perfect, but it's what I can do.
____________________
It's like kegel exercises for your throat.~Monolycus
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 26/12/2002 at 12:21 AM |
I know most of you who have been criticizing fat people don't mean to
insult or belittle people. But I don't think you understand being
overweight from the inside. There is far more to it than just genetics or
just disgusting self-indulgence. Even when you add parental neglect into
the picture, you still don't have it all.
I don't think you understand how much emotions have to do with it. I don't
think you understand the power of the spiral that drags weight ever higher
and higher.
I gained weight, a lot of weight, during High School and on until I was 21.
I was fat. I was also miserable. I had nothing to do - no drivers
liscence, no social life, nothing. I wasn't coordinated enough for sports.
I didn't have anywhere to swim, anywhere to work out (beyond gym class,
where I was naturally neglected in favor of the bright and shining stars of
the athletic teams.) My family life sucked, horribly. I had nothing to do
with my time BUT eat.
And of course, every pound added made it that much harder to excersize, and
made me that much more miserable. I simply did not have the emotional
strength to fight the downward slide. I was a girl, alone, with no one who
gave a damn. It sounds like a cliche, but that's only because it's way too
common.
You may say, I went through tough things, too, and I didn't get fat. Well,
maybe you were blessed with a strong metabolism. Maybe you had
opportunities to remain active that I didn't have. Maybe you had more
distractions than I did. Something more than curling up with a book and
something to munch on in the privacy of your messy room.
There are so many reasons why people get fat. And not all of them are to
be blamed on the overweight person. Most of these people are the way they
are because of things they did when they were younger, like me when I was
thirteen. Yes, perhaps I should have dealt with my emotions in a more
constructive way than resorting to food. But I was fucking 13! I had no
one to help me! Sure I knew that I shouldn't be eating. But I knew no
other way to deal with my pain and boredom, and they needed to be dealt
with somehow!
The only reason I ever ended up losing the weight was because I started a
relationship that turned out to be more stressful than even my fucked up
childhood. It stressed me to the point that I would be in pain from
hunger, but unable to eat more than a few bites at a time. I ended up
sick. But I ended up thinner, too.
Maybe eventually I would have found a way to lose the weight in a more
heathy manner. Still, it would have taken a huge amount of will power.
It's not a sort of thing where you can swim for a few days and lose it all.
It would mean finding an activity that I COULD do at that weight,
something that I enjoyed. It would mean changing a life-style that I had
supported for over a decade. It would mean finding a way to keep myself
motivated until the weight was lost, and then remain vigilant to keep it
off. It would have been extremely difficult.
I have the greatest respect for anyone who has been overweight and has
found the courage and determination to conquer their problem. I have the
greatest compassion for anyone who is overweight and just can't seem to get
a handle on it.
It is true. Some people are fat because the are stupid or lazy. But not
all, and probably not most.
Beware of oversimplifications, quick judgements, and blanket statements.
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Starlight
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 618 Registered: 27/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 25/10/2002 at 12:06 AM |
I thought about taking one side of the issue or another, but it seems both
sides and the middle ground of this issue have been adequately covered in
my own view. So, I will instead make a comment about two of my own
experiences. One is a specific instance that occured earlier this year and
one is about a life-type change.
Situation one, I had my annual exam back in april of this year (ain't being
a woman just great sometimes). The female doctor that I saw that day had an
ass about three times as big as mine but a waist about the same size as
mine. I'm not exaggerating on her proportions either, but this did not
affect me in one way or another until she made some comments. She does her
exam of my upper areas and says how I could lose a few pounds. She then
proclaims that I don't exercise most likely and that I overeat most likely
as well. I told her take a look under the cover there lady, I am all muscle
from there down. She smirked and then looked at my lower areas and agreed
about the muscle comment. So I proceeded to tell her that I ride an
exercise bike regularly. She said well maybe you do and maybe you are
actually in really good health, but then she tells me to look at her body.
She then tells me that she has a much healthier body type by having a small
waist and huge ass, and that since my ass is not big but I need to tone up
my waist better and drop a few pounds, that I am not as healthy a body
type as hers. Okay.....B.S......first off I'm a friggin vegetarian.
Therefore, I eat healthy foods just by virtue of that alone. So she can't
haggle with me there even though she thought she could at first, she told
me to lay off the red meat. Then I watched her waddle down the hallway.
Excuse me...I don't waddle and never have. I also just happen to have a
smaller waist than I do hips and boobs and I am proportionate. From what
I've read that makes me healthy. Okay now my anger issue on that is worked
out....thanks for listening to all that.
Second situation I've been through. I was always fit and slim through
childhood and all the way up til I was about twenty years old. That's when
I begin gaining weight, coincidentally when I was married to an overbearing
(another story...for another time) person (whom I am luckily no longer
married to). The part that is pertinent here is the weight gain issue. I
began gaining weight partly due to depression and partly because I was
forced to eat a primarily meat diet. I'm not joking about that...I was
actually forbidden to eat what I wanted even if it was cheaper, because he
wanted meat and corn and potatoes....everyday. So I had to eat in a manner
I'd never been accustomed to, and through the years I gained a good deal of
weight. I basically doubled my high school weight in about ten years, and
my cholesterol count was over 300 in my twenties, which only added to the
other problems. Several years ago I left that situation forever. I'm now
married to a man who does eat some meat, but who eats it in moderation and
loves my veggie type cooking to boot. I also am able to exercise and not
living in a permanently depressed state. My cholesterol count is under 200
and I've dropped a lot of pounds just by being happy with how I eat and
going back to the way I'd always eaten when I was younger.
The two points I was trying to make here are this:
(1) Do not point fingers when you are doing worse than someone else.
(2) Lots of things can cause a problem, and without knowing all the factors
you cannot say it's any one reason.
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"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 25/10/2002 at 12:00 AM |
Good points callei. Good damn points.
It seems that barely anybody is happy with themselves, so they are unhappy
with others...you know, the flat chested girls envying and hating big
chested girs, big chested girls envying the small boobed variety....big
people wanting to be thin, thin people dying for some curves. It's the
lack of happiness within or at least a sense of contentment that is
responsible for fat jokes and "he/she must have an eating disorder" rumors.
Fat kids are called thundertheighs or chunk (my fav...and man does that
sting) and the skinny kids are called daddylonglegs and bulemia king/queen
or wussy.
Health is the issue, flat out. I would rather be "overweight" and healthy
than a waif who lives a sickly miserable life.
Besides, I kind of like having a little junk in the trunk. More of me to
LOOOOVE!!!! ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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