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  posted on 16/5/2002 at 03:18 PM
I realise this topic was semi-brought up in the goths and poseurs thread, but it turned into a īwhat is gothī thread so I thought Iīd post this.

I just wanted to know what peoples opinions are, in general, on drug use in the gothic subculture. Donīt get me wrong, Iīm not an addict and Iīve never used hard drugs but itīs not been unheard of for me to get drunk / stoned.

I hope this doesnīt turn into another īWIGī thread, I just want to know peoples opinions/viewpoints. So... any takers?

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  posted on 16/5/2002 at 05:06 PM
I donīt think it has any more consequences/frequency within the confines of the "culture". Though it would be stupid to think it doesnīt exist within it, I donīt think it is any more serious or prolific than in any other walks of life.
The average pot smoker is the middle class urban white male. That leaves it WIDE open to possiblities.
I donīt have any problem with drugs. Iīve never even smoked pot in my LIFE (and no, Iīm not lying) so I figure why start now. I donīt mind being around pot smokers either when they are or are not engaging in the activity, and I donīt see what the big deal is. Hard drugs I have a problem with, but only because they are so physically and mentally and emotionally devestating, tho I donīt feel the need for a big brother to tell me what I can and cannot put into my body. If someone wants to destroy their life, then let them. Doesnīt mean I like it, but my likes and dislikes donīt govern the world...however others (being politicians so far removed from the situation they shouldnīt be granted liscence to speak FOR ME) DO.
I would feel horribly if my sister was a junkie...but it would be her life, not mine. I hate the fact that our prisons are choked with pot dealers while the rapists and child molesters and murderers and scum get off early to make room for the latest captives in the "war on drugs".
Donīt they realize that if they legalized even just marijuana, that yes, people would go apeshit over it for a while, but after a while, there are no more pot dealers because you can get it at the corner market for the price of a pack of smokes. It would take the power away from the criminals by decriminalizing it. Decriminalizing it would take away the appeal of doing something naughty, make it less daring and sexy and kill the thrill for would be pot smokers who do it to be cool. Jails wouldnīt be clogged with wanna be pot hustlers, so the REAL bastards of society can spend their WHOLE sentence where they belong. The drugs, passed through the FDA would be clean...no lacing with pcp or clorox or ajax, or crack...hence making them less dangerous. Filters like on cigarettes cut the risks when manufactured as such.
Yeah, itīs a mind altering drug...so is alcohol, and america LOVES alcohol...but pot and cigs are the DEVIL I tell you...
The real devils are those who sit on high and pretend they remember what itīs like to be human in the real world...our darling big brothers and sisters, so benevolent and WISE while they bang their secretaries and pay each other off for favors or silence so their untarnished godlike gleam shows no stain of their true human nature.
Everyone take a hit and remember what itīs like to be a sentient skinbag like the rest of us. Then maybe we can boss their shit around for a while and let them remember what it feels like.

 

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  posted on 16/5/2002 at 08:58 PM
Cocaine Lab -- Empty Bathtub, wax paper pack

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Mathamphetamine Production Facility -- Empty bathtub, steel drum, local pharmacy

 

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  posted on 17/5/2002 at 12:19 AM
As with all social groups, some people choose to use drugs and others donīt. The fact that anyone would choose to abuse drugs is nothing short of stupidity.

I agree with you, bettie_x on legalization of marijuana. We definitely need to create room in prisons for the "real" criminals. I donīt see marijuana as being any more dangerous than alcohol. -And why try to control what people put in their bodyīs anyway. Isnīt it a personal choice? The harder drugs, yes theyīre dangerous, not just to the user, but possibly to everyone around them.

Iīve never claimed to be intelligent and will admit that I have smoked pot a few times. I donīt drink anymore, but occasionally I might indulge in acid, purely for spiritual purposes. :-D

 

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  posted on 17/5/2002 at 05:08 AM
I agree pretty much completely with Bettie. Though this website is just about the limit of my immersion in the social aspects of Goth, it seems to me quite silly to target goths as drug users. Drug use is an issue in just about any culture, sub or not. (Except maybe the wacko religious one I grew up in.)

And I also agree that itīs a horrible thing that the government thinks that they know so much, that they can tell me "donīt do that, itīs baaaaad for you!" Well, there are a lot of things that are potentially bad for me. Including overeating. Whatīs next? The government watching my caloric intake? Taking away that chocolate chip cookie because Iīm over my legal limit, and making me eat celery sticks instead? All the government should concern itself with is making sure that people donīt go around harming other people. Someone who wants to be self-destructive will always find a way, legal or illegal, to do so.

Iīve smoked pot, on occasion. I admit it. (I never buy it, just bum a few hits off of friends! :-P ) I enjoy the feeling, but I prefer being straight most of the time. Being high loses itīs fun if thatīs the way you are all the time. As for harder drugs, Iīve never tried them. I wouldnīt say Iīd never try, maybe, acid, just once, to see what that high is like. I donīt know. Iīd want to be really careful with it, of course. You can ruin your life pretty quickly messing around with drugs. I like to keep even pot down to a strict minimum. (Of course, none at all, now, even if I could get my hands on it, which I canīt.)

The tricky bit is going to be when my baby gets old enough to start experimenting. What do I do if I catch him/her with a bowl in his/her hands? Ground him, or sit down with her and share it? *sigh* itīs all so complicated.

But back to the subject. I donīt think drugs are any more a problem among goths than among any other group. But more important to remember is, groups donīt make choices. People make choices. Joe Goth does drugs because heīs Joe, not because heīs Goth.

 

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  posted on 17/5/2002 at 03:55 PM
Ah drugs, I could tell some stories. When I was a teenager and I only had to worry about where my rent was coming from ($125 to $400 a month, I lived with my someone who is now a long gone ex at the time) and which car I was going to sleep under that night ( We werenīt getting along very well even then) I did alot of drugs, I mixed and matched in a near suicidal attempt to catapult my brain through my earlobes and into the stratosphere. But you know what? I quit, I think for a large amount of the populous who have indulged itīs the same to some degree. I donīt think itīs necessarily a cultural thing, and to avoid this turning into a WIG thread I will say no more than in general the highly intelligent either become the not so intelligent or they get responsibilities and sober up (for the most part) I still smoke tobacco like a chimney, and I drink occassionally, but itīs been like two years since I went on a bender.

As far as the legalizing pot thing goes, I think it would still be grown in backyards everywhere, partially just because itīs in the nature of the beast. I swear pot engenders herbiculture, architecture, and heavy duty sculpture. Long after I had quit smoking pot I was still into making pipes that carried with them special effects. I probably scarred my larynx for life testing the glowing eyes on a skull-pipe with ripped open cigarettes.

 

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  posted on 17/5/2002 at 04:17 PM
Itīs still amusing to see people promoting the legalization of a hallucinogenic en masse.

I canīt even begin to go in to reasons why it shouldnīt be legalized, Iīd just like to point out here and now that even if you did legalize it, people would find horrible ways to change it and modify it and get good and fucked up on it and get in to just about as much trouble as you can imagine. Why do people want to legalize it? To stop dealers? In the words of Shirow Masmune, "promoting a consumerist lifestyle is committing the ultimate violence against imporvershed nations"-- which is what that does. Watch mexico really go to hell when even high class drug dealers canīt call the shots. Watch cocaine prices drop low for competition, then watch complete collapse in South America, India, Africa and the Philipines. Also watch accessibility of the "harder" drugs increase ata staggering rate, cause, hell, if hallucinogenics are legal, they canīt be that bad, let me drop a couple acid and go take a ride in my car.
Look at long-term brain damage as well-- strong hallucinogens cause some of the most hideous psychopathic breakdowns around.

Think good and fucking long and look at every fucking country when you consider making any major change in America-- just cause every day we commit horrible, horrible acts of violence against everyone else.

Amsterdamīs all fucking fun, but thatīs not 1.6 billion people who contribute heavily to a world market of 6 billion.

 

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  posted on 17/5/2002 at 07:26 PM
Hm, alright, fair enough, but... Donīt they do that already?
Hell, people take cocaine laced cigarettes, dip them in formaldehyde, "shermans" I believe theyīre called, because after smoking one or two itīd take a sherman tank to take you down...People lace pot with pcp, cocaine, xtc already. It wouldntī be anything new. As said before, itīs the nature of the beast. Bigger, better, faster, stronger, higher, deadlier...after all, death is the biggest high of all, no? Some people would tell you yes, sadly.
Sure, there are several reasons I can think of why it shouldnīt be legal (theoretically, mind you)...itīs addictive (cigarettes and alcohol), itīs mind altering (alcohol), it can cause residual damage after a prolonged use (cigarettes and alcohol) especially in adolescence when the brain is still forming (alcohol) it can be destructive to your health (cigarettes and alcohol) and to your family (alcohol), itīs a gateway drug (cigarettes and alcohol), itīs an easy escape from problems and a "self treatment" for depression (cigarettes and alcohol), can impair your driving (alcohol) and ability to function (alcohol), could be illegally accessible to minors (everything under the sun).
If keeping drugs illegal helps keep drug cartells and south american economies strong, these same cartells and families that are rich on wrongs while hard work goes unappreciated, that run guns and engage in mafia style iron thumb rule on local poverty stricken people, so that some schmuck that wants to take a toke now and then gets to go to prison so they wonīt go broke when the drug is legalized is no longer so hard in demand and inexpensive?
People here should go to prison for indulging in a wild growing plant that has the same effects as alcohol (which is legal) because these nations economies were built on the backs of illegal products? I am failing to see how this is our fault..please elaborate as to how america would be responsible for their own collapse, as they are the ones building their monuments of sand.
People will try anything if theyīre stupid enough...kids can get their hands more readily on deadlier substances than cigarettes and alcohol. Anyone up for huffing some paint? Or maybe glue is your deal...or how ībout we go buy some cetaphyll and stagger around the mall on cold medication we bought at riteaid.
They can, do, and will.
The nature of the beast, kids, go look in the mirror.
Iīm not a cruel or uncaring person. I often am distressed over the affairs, woes, and injustices in the world, and the people that get caught in the way. With a planet as overpopulated as ours, no matter which direction you take or turn, people will always be in the way. Itīs a fact of global life, itīs the nature of the beast.
As far as amsterdam, yes, they arenīt a major contributor..but of our 1.6 bill people, are they all going to run out and toke up, eat twinkies, and watch spongebob squarepants and let the world go to hell the minute the green light (no pun intended) is given? I seriously doubt it...those who donīt already, probably wonīt anyway legal or not...those who do, will continue to do so regardless of legalities. Granted, some may give it a whirl, a flirt, some may like it some may not, some may continue to smoke it, some may be like "okay, Iīve done it, back to normal life"...just like people do every day.
My whole point is that it is here..it always has been, it always will be, and whatīs the point of putting in place restrictions you canīt even hope to enforce en masse and plugging up jails with pot heads sucking up my tax dollars versus the REAL shitheads that I"d pay cash myself to keep locked up for life.
Iīm not saying that we should all engage in a "consumeristic lifestyle" and ruin the world, Iīm just saying to HELL with it, quit playing pretend that they have a handle on something that is no more dangerous than booze and smokes, and that people can, will and DO get right under their noses.
perhaps a new forum is in order....hmm.
Thatīs all for now, end transmission...

 

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  posted on 18/5/2002 at 04:02 AM
Drugs? What are you guys talkinī about...drugs are bad...bad! bad! bad! bad! bad!...whoah...colors.

 

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  posted on 18/5/2002 at 04:25 AM
Once again (how does this keep happening?) I agree with Bettie!

Somehow I donīt think that the ruining of a few drug lords in Mexico is going to hurt the ordinary Jose Schmo. In fact, it would probably help spread the pesos around.

Just think. No longer is it necessary to build high-security operations just to grow a little marijuana. No longer will you have to own boats and planes with specially designed hiding places for your contraband. Men wonīt be getting all shot up over it, which means there will be fewer fatherless families trying desperately to survive without their main source of income. Maybe Jose Schmo can start his own little weed farm. Make a little extra money that would have all been holed up in the bank account of someone who canīt even spend all they have. And doesnīt deserve to have it anyway.

All in all, it means more money for Mexico, more money in circulation, and more money in the pockets of the little guy.

What could be better for the economies of nations such as this than giving them a market for a product theyīre just perfectly designed to produce? Isnīt that one of the reasons theyīre classified as 3rd world? What chance does the little guy have in these countries now to make a living?

As for everyone in America going stir-crazy and drugging themselves to the hilt and dropping like flies from overdoses, Iīll say this. Those that can handle drugs responsibly will continue to do so. Those that canīt are already ruining their lives, either through illegal use, or through other means. Just like cigarettes and alcohol.

You know, they tried to make alcohol illegal a while back, too. It was called the prohibition. It caused so many problems they gave it up. Maybe itīs time to do the same with our modern-day prohibition.

 

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  posted on 18/5/2002 at 07:35 PM
Jesu.

Madre di pinche dios.

Since itīs a pun thatīs a kick in the balls as far as real humour goes, what the fuck have you been smoking?

 

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  posted on 18/5/2002 at 09:12 PM
You lost me darlinī...and Iīve been smoking nothing but legal and overpriced cigarettes Remember youīre talking to one of the only people (that *I* know thatīs never laid a finger on "drugs", something simple as weed included).
Donīt get all pissy or rude (like I said, you lost me in my sober haze), I wasnīt attacking you. You put in place an argument, I countered. Isnīt that how debate works?
Good thing Iīve not got balls to kick, or I might have to be offended.

 

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  posted on 19/5/2002 at 06:18 AM
Donīt worry about Comedian, Bettie. It seems heīs just young enough to mistake cheap insults for logic in what is meant to be a reasonable debate.

You can ignore him, or you can bait him, depending on your mood, but you wonīt get far arguing with him. Because of course, we must be all fucked up on drugs to DARE disagree with the Almighty Comedian.

(Bring it on, boy, bring it on! Schizoīs waiting! :grin: )

 

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  posted on 19/5/2002 at 06:21 AM
I mean, saying more money for Mexico.

Less money for mexico, no mafia involvement at all.

American crop farmers can support the world really; we burn 90% of our crops just because we donīt need them. Mexico grows marijuana crops, and when big tobacco takes over Marijuana manufacturing when it becomes legal, nobody will farm anything in Mexico but cactus pulp for hard tequila. And cocaine. and if everyone starts farming coca leaves, more people are going to get shot to keep the price of cocaine high.

I canīt predict the future, but Iīll make a good guess that changing something so big so drastically will cause a load of problems.

 

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  posted on 19/5/2002 at 06:38 AM
Well then, say what you mean Comedian. Donīt hide behind your insults. If youīve got a valid argument, use it.

OK. I see your point. But I still say the present system supports ONLY the drug lords in places like Mexico. Personally, I donīt care if those bastards go down in flames. Not because they sell drugs, but because they have no regard for human life. Maybe they support some sort of industry in Mexico with their loads of cash, but I doubt it. Theyīre spending their money on American goods, European goods, anything but on the support of their own country. They are a cancer in 3rd world countries. And I would love to see them go down. But they wonīt go down as long as drugs are illegal in America. They will always have their big market there.

Maybe I was naive to say that Jose would make much money with his little dinky pot farm. But I will say that heīs sure not being much benefited by the local drug lordīs stash. Maybe heīll even end up living a little longer if the big guy with the guns is taken out.

The war on drugs? Yeah right. Thatīs only feeding the problem.

 

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  posted on 19/5/2002 at 08:05 AM
What really sucks about the illegalization of marijuana, is that theyīve extended it to commercial hemp products as well. I want my hempseed granola!!! I want to be able to grow a field of hemp, and make my own clothes and paper. I want to press those seeds for oil. But nooo... even if youīre using the plant responsibly, itīs still illegal. dammit.

 

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  posted on 19/5/2002 at 08:21 AM
I wannaī hemp field too...then I want to set it on fire. Woohooo!
To tell you the truth, I donīt think I can use anything responsibly. But then again, drugs wouldnīt be so freaking fun if they were legal.

 

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  posted on 19/5/2002 at 10:24 AM
Well now..i "USED" drugs in the past for ages 16-19..and i have done the more fun ones...Like weed for instance, i loved that shit i was never "addicted" to it cause i quit cold turkey after 3 1/2 years of everyday use...Shrooms and Acid where fun and i can honestly say that they arent that bad, but there are people who just shouldīnt use them...i liked them at the time but now i realize that it was a phase that i went through when i was younger...and now that im alittle older and a tad wiser, i know that i wont go back...well, ok mebbe when i get out of the Military ill smoke bud again...but thats it...i SWEAR!!!! hee hee :-x but seriously...are Shrooms and Acid considered "Hardecore" drugs??? i mean its not like that are horribly addicting like Coke and H...i have never done those and never will....and i know that THOSE are "Hardcore" drugs....but what really classifies something as "Hardcore"? Shit..my parents are old hippies and i know what they have done and they are both successfull people...givin they never did Coke nor H...but they where hippies..come on! hee hee...but i see people even in the Navy that are getting booted out because of Coke and Shrooms (in Okinawa Shrooms where legal untill April 4th 2002) and it does make me angry that these "Adults" cant grow up or get away from the addiction....but i guess some people just dont have the common sence or will power to decide that "Hey, maybe we SHOULDīNT do this". Iīve grown up, why cant somepeople. That is the question that i dont get...how hard is it to say "No"?


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  posted on 19/5/2002 at 08:18 PM
You know why I cuss? Itīs because most people canīt fucking hear themselves talk or contemplate the meaning of what they say, even though the thing they love most is to hear their own voices.

Schizo, if you take away the drug lords, those places have jack shit. Indonesia and Polynesia, and some of the more remote areas in Korea rely on fields and fields of poppies guarded and helped to be farmed by the local militias. Take away the Mexican drug lords and you have nobody who gives a shit about Mexico remains. Take down the drug lords, and you take down families who barely survive as it is, the fdamilies of drug runners and thousands of people who rely on the trade to get anything done. And that isnīt just marijuana, thatīs cocaine as well, and a Hispanic mafia "lay off" is a quiet bullet in the back of the head when you sit down after walking out of the manīs mansion.

Like I mentioned earlier, promoting a consumerist lifestyle is committing the worst violent crimes against poorer nations. Itīs always that way when the corporation takes over.

 

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  posted on 19/5/2002 at 10:30 PM
Oh jesus (pronounced heyzoos*wink*), here we go again.
Comedian, you make very valid, well thought out points. I can see your side. Now itīs your turn to "fantasize" (okay, I canīt spell that word) and see others. Itīs a trait of a well educated individual, and I know you have it in you, Iīve seen it before.
Until you or I have lived in mexico, are impoverished, and for a length of time lived in an area controlled by these mexican and south american drug cartells, all we can do is theorise, sit and think and pretend we have the answers for the woes of the world.
EVERYONE is a consumer...some to a greater extent than others, but we are all consumers. The computer you and I are on, the clothes you and I are wearing (even second hand clothes were the byproduct of SOMEONEīS consumerism) the food we eat, the cars we drive and the gas that fuels them, the movies we see and books we read. Itīs all consumerism. By wanting to legalize the smoking of a plant that grows wild here (if they left it alone) and EVERYWHERE, has TONS of uses and benifits via biproducts (ink, paper, cloth, rope, food, etc) is not delving into the unfathomable reaches of the evil consumerism than we already do. Iīm not thinking to myself "he he he, Iīm gonna toke up and imagine javier and his six starving children to whom I contribute my daily dose of misery via my evil liason with mad consumerism"
No. Iīm thinking that the criminal label of smoking pot is retarded, a waste of time and money, a pain in the ass, and is no different that smoking and drinking at the same time.
Poor poor drug lords...bless their benevolence at building a false economy that is libel to self destruct if america ever pulls itīs head out of itīs ass and quit being so anal. Blame them for building a massive frail money structure. They put bullets in plenty of heads. They built their sand castles never expecting high tide. Mexico has PLENTY to offer....export produce, that wonderful little agave plant that is responsible to tequila, industry exports, and god forbid these people get a chance to earn their living...earn a good living, and not rely on gun packing crime lords to decide just how well off they get to be. Maybe theyīll get a good president (one not selected and intimidated into office for the drug runnerīs own benifit) one who can lift the country back up....Hell, america was in one of the most dismal depressions, and we got back up on our feet. Give those people a chance, instead of relying on a stupid law in an anal retentive bordering country to keep them afloat.
I think before I speak, thank you. I think EVERYTHING I SAY over...I speak of how I think, and how I feel, and on my convictions, not out my ass. I donīt open my mouth unless I know what the hell Iīm talking about. You are allowed to feel strongly and hold opinions about whatever you wish, just like everyone else, tho just because they may have a different side of the mirror you look in doesnīt make them stupid, ignorant, deaf, or wrong.
I hope you understand and an actual discussion can take place between us ALL, not just a "yes huh" and "nuh huh" bantering. Itīs pointless and childish.

 

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