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Comedian
Fanatic   Posts: 213 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/5/2002 at 06:25 AM |
Ungh.
Starting at the end and working my way to the beginning, America is not in
a recession, weīre just recovering from the economy explosion that we had a
few years back that had to wear off at some time. Japan is in a recession,
and has been for some years causing teenagers to assault and mug working
class men in the street because theyīre so angry.
And they made it a crime to smoke pot. To deal in it, and grow it. Think
about it; these people are logical, intelligent, and greedy. They know the
risks, and because of self-righteous precepts of invincibility, they resell
it. At high prices. THESE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. They are
criminals, and removing the stigma of marijuana and putting a box on every
shelf from here to Morrocco isnīt going to change that mentality.
THeoretically, they might take up bigger, better business in to their own
hands and start lacing the plant with cocaine or something else tokeep a
little side money incoming, sell it off, and next thing you know some kid
who smoked a bowful who was getting his acceptance letter to law school in
the mail three days in the future is dead on the house floor with his heart
exploded and blood pumping from his ears. Enough people lace already; high
school kids who have had a yer of biology can understand basic lacing.
Thereīs other issues as well. Just saying it isnīt as bad as alcohol or
cigarettes, you also have the issue of people who are going to smoke both
and drink something else harder that a light alloy who will become
supremely impaired and not even be able to walk home. Drunk driving is bad
enough, but somebody laquered three ways from sunday with a big olī smile
and less brain cells than their waistline measurements is bound to cause
multiple fatalities. And you canīt just make people stay at home to smoke
their joints and drink so theyīre not out on the streets puking up a storm
and then causing 18 car pileups when they decide thaqt they really need to
stop in the middle of the highway and lay down in the back of their car for
a good sleep.
The drug lords have built a castle made of sand, and America does not have
itīs head up itīs ass, they just know what works, because nobody buys shit
from Mexico these days. Cheap labor on the border cities, textiles, liquor
and cocaine and marijuana. Also salsa and culture. But Iīm not talking
evil consumerism, Iīm talking cheap consumerism with coupons and weak
spending and jacking off with glee over worthless crap from Taiwan that
people keep supporting. "Buy American" is murder in 8 different languages,
but if we take away the biggest cash crop of small countries without giving
them a 6 billion dollar hand-out to even give them three facotories to
produce americanized crap they brought out of our country cause itīs
cheaper to pay impoverished children to make than American citizenry with
minimal wage. Leviīs left just recently. And this isnīt racism or
prejudice over stupid crap like that; this is consideration of every issue
that surrounds business in the world today. If you take away the drugs,
you take away American jobs and give even worse jobs to people around the
world. Itīs not like child labor in Yee Olde Engalond where you could see
a picture of 8 children holding up their hands and had about 12 fingers to
share between the lot of them, but itīs damn close. ANd then you have
adults in the same situations, trying to support families on pettance
hand-outs. THen youīve also got more Americans committing violent crimes,
producing drugs, or doing fuck-all crime because theyīre not qualified to
do jack much else and we took their job away to give to a kid who could
theoreotically make the same and even a little more money running drugs in
a slightly safer enviroment.
You canīt justify any sudden radical change in the laws, you have to look
at every issue. One life takes 20 others every day just to stay afloat, any
disruption of that, including war, changes everything and can suddenly kill
up to that many people every day.
My SPanish teacher was a nationalized Columbian on a teacherīs exchange
program; she tried hard every day to help the kids and get good feedback
from the students because she wanted to stay as a teacher.
She had seen the militias going through the streets and shooting people in
houses who were possessing drugs they shouldnīt have, she had seen the
children of the drug lords treated with respect and given wide berth at the
shcools, and she said it wasnīt very different here than there. Just more
toilet paper here. The IRS hauls people out of their houses for merely
having money they donīt want to give away to pay the high cost of living;
rich kids have gangs at schools. WACO just isnīt televised down there.
____________________
Make way for the bad guy!
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/5/2002 at 09:42 AM |
The economy of the South once depended on slavery. Slavery was abolished,
and to be certain the South has never been the same since. But it was
worth it, to give a group of people their innate right to freedom.
Certainly, it could have been done in a wiser way. The problem of
carpetbaggers and scalawags caused almost more trouble than the change in
plantation employment options.
One could have said at the time that the South depended on cotton kings,
and the cotton kings depended on slave labor. Slave owners in the cotton
states squawked their heads off over the idea that the South could survive
without the institution of slavery. But if you were to ask the slaves, you
would get a different answer.
Granted, marijuana legalization is not so important an issue as the
abolition of slavery. But there are two distinct similarities. The issue
of freedom - who decides how I am to live my life? and the issue of
protecting the top dog in the economy - is it worth it?
The South survived, though scarred, in spite of war and troublemakers
hindering reconstruction. Undoubtedly America can learn from the past and
cushion the economic impact on countries that depend on illegal drug trade.
Perhaps the money wasted on the futile war on drugs can go towards helping
the little guys in Mexico get on their feet.
At any rate, I still hold that the boost the presence of drug lords gives
to a nations economy is an illusion, and that in fact they do not help
their country in any way other than artificially inflating the national
average income. Their money does not go to help their country, but to buy
a beautiful house, a fast car, a villa on the Mediterranean, whatever
expensive hobbies the drug lord fancies. And you better believe that none
of these things are made in Mexico.
As for the theoretical college student who wiped himself out on tainted
drugs, that is more likely to happen today than in a legalized America.
After pot is legalized, then either you can grow it yourself, or buy it at
the corner store. If you grow it yourself, you are assured of its purity.
If you buy it at the store, you better believe that the government will
impose regulations on the purity of the product. Which is within the realm
of government - ensuring the safety of its citizens from those who would
harm others. Your college student would not be very smart in that world if
he still managed to get hold of some "bad" weed.
Whereas, nowadays, unless you or your buddy grows it illegally, you can
never be sure where that bag came from. The danger is far higher. It
would be the same for cigarettes or alcohol if they were made illegal. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Shade
Fanatic  Posts: 289 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/5/2002 at 12:38 PM |
OK, letīs start with the fact that the US is not the world. I will grant
the fact that american actions have far reaching effects, but when you get
right down to it, we donīt actually make the laws in those foreign
countries. We just like to act like it. If the US were to legalize pot, it
would still be illegal in Mexico, Colombia, Peru, etc...if we were to
legalize pot, that legality would stop at our borders. It is decidedly
possible that the growth and perhaps even resale of said crop would become
legal in Mexico over time, but that would give a period of buffer time as
it made itīs way through the legislative and bureaucratic red tape there.
Hell, when you get right down to it, the drug lords in mexico would more
than likely keep it illegal there just so they could keep a handle on
it.
Comedian if you want to help the third world drug slaves, this would be the
way to do it. The US would be asked to step in and help ou because our
corporations would want to buy their supply from third world nations where
it was cheaer to produce and easier to grow, that could very well lead to a
major reform in the way these people (the drug slaves) lived, theyīd
probably get a three cent raise and health benefits.
Now, on the issue of growing and lacing, I recognize that you were saying
the theoretical college student would be lacing his own prepackaged joint
Comedian, but think of this. Shermans werenīt originally laced with coke,
they were, pure and simple a (insert favorite brand here) cigarette dipped
in the formaldehyde readily available in any bio lab across America,
technically this practice isnīt even illegal, think about that. inhaling
the vaporized fragfments of a chemical designed to cease all change in
bio-mass is not illegal in this county. Neither is huffing. If youīre under
18 you can be arrested for it on the charge of attempting to have more fun,
then you can be thrown in the padded version of prison for attempted
suicide. but itīs still legal.
Now, on the issue of people growing their own. Does anyone here remember
the fat that tobaco is a proscribed crop? you have to have special licences
to grow the stuff. The fact that itīs a slightly harder crop to grow is not
the reason that itīs not being genetically manipulated to produce the same
results as a lungfull of THC, itīs the fact that tobacco is more highly
regulated than Cannabis. any version of cannabis. C. Sativa is the
intoxicating version, but in general and specific itīs just flat out
illegal to grow the shit. Whereas tobacco has to have special conditions,
the nicotine amount per leaf has to be highly monitored and checked, and
the end resuts, our 90 percent beet pulp/10 percent tobacco cigarettes are
about as watered down as you can get.
Which bring me to my Nth point, if we legalized pot, chances are it would
be just as regulated and the intoxicating value would be highly curtailed.
The THC count as well as all those other fourhundred twenty chemicals that
make the user loopy would be as regulated as the dose of meth in your cold
medicine.
So to the health issues, I say f*ck īem if they canīt take a smoke.
Shouldnīt be indulging anyway, but this is coming from a two cups of tea
and a pack of smokes a day habit. As for the third world nations, while
taking care of our brethren is all fine and good, again f*ck īem if they
build an entire economy on our imort of their products, either make sure
itīs legal or have a fall back plan. If a hundred thousand
mexican/peruvian/columbian drug slaves get offed becasue we force their
early retirment, maybe, just maybe itīll wake the world up enough to start
worrying about the other half a million whose lives are ruined every day
being said drug slaves. If not, then perhaps it will at least make the
people, the non-americans I might add, who are supposed to be in charge of
said nations to put down the hooka and take a little notice of what is
going on in there own damn countries. Itīs honestly not our problem. Every
time An outside nation attempts to "civilize the savages" we wipe out half
their populace and enslave the other half anyway. Smallpox anyone?
And asa final point, if the college student doesnīt do it with pot, or
coke, or notrous, or booze, s/heīll drink the fucking formaldehyde, just to
see...
What happens when I do this? ____________________
It is only through the lack of sex that humanity derives the need for an
all encompassing blind love. And in that moment of extreme horniness with
no relief in sight, in that moment can be found the birth of religion.
-Me
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/5/2002 at 12:42 PM |
Very very very true schitz. All very valid arguments, comedian, but like
Iīve said a billion times, they do it already!! Legalizing it wonīt change
the few idiots out there that want it bigger better faster and higher.
They WILL do it regardless of legalities. THis is proven..just watch the
news. During the prohibition, alcohol WAS a dangerous substance...you
NEVER knew where it was from or who made it or what itīs made out of....a
lot of people were poisoned to death or blinded or made ill for life
because of one bad ILLEGAL batch someone cooked up in their tub... a tub
with the typical lead lining on it...an old tub with the enamel worn away
and the lead exposed..whereas they could have gotten SAFE LEGAL booze, that
was regulated, knew where it was from, because when itīs LEGAL, there have
to be regulations to make it safe. But when somethingīs ILLEGAL, all bets
are off. No guidelines, no guarantees, no responsibility for the product
on the manufacturerīs behalf.
Take prostitutes in nevada for example...they are clean, they are safe,
itīs regulated and taxed for their wages, they are all required to undergo
AIDS and hepatitis testing, and have a clean place of business to conduct
their business. They can leave whenever they wish, just like any other
job.
Now, where prostitution is ILLEGAL (ie: almost everywhere else) they are
drug addled, sick, poor, beaten, intimidated, and couldnīt leave if they
wanted to. Because itīs not regulated, monitored...LEGAL. Nevada doesnīt
have prostitution problems, because prostitution is decriminalized and
regulated to make it safe...the girls arentī on the street, they take
clients in brothels that are guarded for the girls saftey and they are
tested for disease. They have to have a liscence that pends on their
continued clean bill of health. They break the rules, donīt use a condom
and get sick, their liscence is revoked and are jailed for prostituting
without a liscence.
It does indeed come down to our so called "freedom". My personal freedom.
Freedom to do with *MY* body. Not what someone deems good or bad for me,
what I as an adult deem right for my life. College students already smoke
and drink or injest everything...sometimes at once. Sometimes they die.
Legalities wonīt change THAT. I can walk downtown seattle and sit in a
coffee shop and watch someone trip on meth outside...or perhaps it was on
something he thought was as relatively harmless as pot...UNREGULATED
pot...that was laced with something and he had no idea. (tho as unlikely
that is..hey it is seattle afterall..methamphetamine capitol of the country
WOO)
It seems like in america the idea for the "saftey" of the masses is in
pretending to be their mother...I have one and one only, thank you very
much, and I donīt need another, let alone one Iīve never seen and who
doesnīt know who I am, yet seems to think they have the right to control my
life, that THEY know whatīs best for ME...and me being nothing better than
a statistic in their record files. Itīs enforced abstinence over
EDUCATION. I was always told to NOT drink, NOT how to drink responsibly.
I was told to NOT have sex, not how to have sex responsibly. Like both
were big bad awful scary things that would result in disaster even with the
most tedious precautions. I wasnīt told how to treat these things as an
adult, because they dontī want us to behave like adults...because adults
think too much and might get crazy ideas like we arenīt as free as weīd
like to think we are, or that someone in office really shouldntī be there,
or that we actually DONīT like being treated like children. SO weīre
taught to behave, be quiet, not to cause big deals about things our simple
minds arenīt ready for *smirk* We are a nation of undereducated children,
and the ones that take it upon themselves to know what is going on
underneath the frosting are labeled as hippies, radicals, trouble causers
and criminals...or activists...GOD I hate that word.
And comedian, you just colorfully illustrated what schitz was talking about
for yourself when you spoke of your spanish teacher seeing firsthand the
work of the drug lords.
I never said that we were any different here. I know that rich kids, and
politicianīs kids, and families with powerful names get the same treatement
that drug cartell children get. Is it right? NO! Of course not, You and
I donīt support that behavior here, and I donīt support it down there
either...which is why if you legalize it then perhaps it would take the
power away from them and their illegally gotten gains would be dispersed
through regulated marijuanna farming throughout the country, ALONGSIDE
export crops like cactus pulp, banannas and other agricultural exports.
Just because I am FOR the legalization of something as simple as marijuana,
doesnīt mean I donīt understand the implications...not just on my side of
the border, but on others. I read, I take it upon myself to pick up on
education where the school system let down. All of your arguments to me
are very valid, and Iīve thought of them (except the drug lord bit...I
stand firm on that, sorry). But all of the reasons youīve given me already
exist and will continue to do so regardless if a plant is legalized or not.
In my educated OPINION, it wontī make a difference..the danger in drugs
will always be there...so will the danger of alcohol, but the difference is
that itīs legal and weīve grown up with it being legal so itīs not a big
deal to us. But when they made alcohol illegal, people produced and drank
it anyway, but it was far more dangerous because of lack of itīs legality
and the restrictions and regulations that come with it. Hell, pot was
legal for a long time until the early 1900īs...george washington owned a
hemp plantation. Then it was criminalized by right wingists and made
illegal, and we see how well THAT worked out...
Yes, it would be a radical and huge law change...but our country was FORMED
on radical laws and the wants of the people. Everything from separating
from england, to the abolition of slavery, womenīs suffrage, the civil
rights act...you name it. Change causes growth...sure this change might
result only in the growth of our lady mary jane...but to me itīs one step
closer to freedom than I am now, and when I continue to choose to not smoke
pot (as I do now, never have either) itīll be because of a personal choice,
not because of fear of big brother and his posse tossing me in the can with
rapists that deserve to be there. ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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Meranda_Jade
Fanatic  Posts: 511 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/5/2002 at 01:13 PM |
Marijuana used to be legal. They illegalized it, partly to persecute blacks
and mexicans, who were the main users at the time. The other reason was the
lumber barons were afraid of hemp products cutting in on their profit,
(which is a shame, because hemp is a renewable resource) and Dupont wanted
people to buy his chemical products, which were more easily made and less
toxic when the same products were made of hemp. Greed and consumerism is
why itīs not legal now. There are hundreds of products that can be made
from this one little plant. Not to mention itīs medical uses. Speaking of
its medical uses, marijuana is considered a Schedule I drug, although it
has been approved for medical use in some states. It should properly be a
Schedule II drug, making possession a less serious crime. When they first
"illegalized" it... it wasnīt really illegal. They passed a stamp act on
it. You had to have a tax stamp to grow marijuana. The only way to get a
stamp was to have marijuana. If you had marijuana without a stamp, you
would go to jail. Nifty little trap there, and it worked. They finally got
around to actually making it illegal during the Nixon Administration...
before, it was an IRS issue. Now, of course we have the War on Some Drugs,
which makes the whole thing ridiculous. It wasnīt illegalized because it
was dangerous health-wise. It was dangerous to the big companies who were
making a nice profit, using expensive, tree and oil based rescources and
didnīt want people growing an all-purpose weed in their backyards. Hemp
can be used to make anything that is now made of timber, cotton or
petroleum.
But thatīs beside the point. The point is, when it was made illegal, the
fact that it got you high was a very small concern... and if it were
legalized today, 3rd world countries would be able to grow this wonder weed
and make many, MANY products to support their economies. The stuff grows
just about anywhere and it grows like crazy. Itīs stupid not to use it.
Besides, it would make a very pretty houseplant. ____________________
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VampCourt
Fanatic  Posts: 293 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/5/2002 at 04:59 PM |
A pretty House plant and quite the Distinctive odor.  My feelings about
the whole drug thing is to each thier own. wether you do it for stress
puposes or for fun.. thats your thing..  ____________________
"Thou shalt not be afraid of the dark, nor of graveyards nor ghosts nor the
devil, for thou art scarey and mean." -The Goth commandments
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/5/2002 at 09:58 PM |
Exactamundo ladies, bravo.
I as a "free" person should have the CHOICE. I donīt need a big brother, I
have one (sort of) I donīt need another daddy (thank god thereīs not two of
him *snicker*) and I DONīT need another mommy...they taught me to think
freely, and do whatīs right for me. The government didnīt.
It all boils down to education..hell, like that wouldnīt do this country
some good, eh kids? If and when I have children, they will be raised to be
themselves, to be free, and to make responsible choices for them....they
will be taught about responsible drinking BEFORE a problem arises, and if I
should have children I will no longer smoke...but they will know about
cigarettes, the dangers, and they can decide for themselves when they are
of legal age. They will know about drugs. Though I donīt have a problem
with pot, I donīt want my children engaging in illegal activity and will
talk with them about the whole drug thing...if it is legal at that time,
they will learn about responsible use of their adult priveledges. People
just need to educate themselves and stop behaving like untrained chimps and
frat brats.
Funny that it comes up that the illegalization (as proposed of the
LEGALIZATION of it) of marijuana sprang FROM consumerism...funny. ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/5/2002 at 04:29 AM |
Unfortunately, though, can you really imagine any serious polititian
standing publicly for marijuana legalization? Remember the whole Bill
Clinton "I didnīt inhale" thing?
How on earth in this political climate could anyone lobby for legalization?
People are quick to slap on the label of "pothead" and assume that weīre
just looking for a nice, escapist, good time on our slippery slides to
destruction. But look at us? Are we potheads? No. Thereīs Bettie - who
never toked a toke in her life. Thereīs me - whoīs probably had less than
100 hits in her entire existance. Iīm not so familiar with the habits of
the rest of the people in this argument, but if youīre potheads, smoke on,
because you think straighter than most straight people Iīve ever met.
An interesting thought - if George Washington lived today, theyīd put him
in jail. Hmmm. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/5/2002 at 11:16 PM |
The american flag was made of hemp too, you know  George would be in
the local paddywagon trying to roll it and make the worldīs largest and
most colorful joint *snicker*
There are politicians that lobby for pot legalization, and yes theyīve been
labeled pot heads or rejects and not taken seriously. Iīve known far more
introspective and intelligent people who smoke weed once and a while than
any of the yahoos in office....but caution, too much may make you believe
youīre a philosopher and be prompted to speak by something as mentally
astounding as what one would find on a twinkie wrapper. But hey, at least
it gets the brain working.
The intelligent people in the debate, as always with any political issue,
are not in politics..wonder why...theyīre probably all toking up and
watching m*a*s*h* (joking) ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/5/2002 at 06:01 AM |
| Consequently...I was too stoned to understand any of that... ____________________
In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King
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Comedian
Fanatic Posts: 213 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/5/2002 at 06:17 AM |
Yes, youīre saying itīs a greta infringement on your rights to go smoke a
bowl a day, but when you infringe on someone elseīs right to live, thatīs a
pretty fucking far step from the bowl. This shit makes you impaired in
godīs own way, and most intelligent people donīt go smoke a heavy load of
skunk and then go driving, they have to sit down and watch the TV and hope
that the walls donīt melt, because pot today is so much stronger than the
crap your hippy parents smoked 40 years ago. Yes, the government will
probably regulate the potency of the drugs within the joints, THC
standardization and such, but that doesnīt help much when people are doing
every drug they possibly can.
And itīs nice to see that people who will gradually murder themselves by
filling up their lungs full of nasty black shit with the consistency of
sandpaper-flavored jello will be responsible enough to tell their children
the pros and cons of gradual suicide, should marijuana be legalized. Your
choices are your own to make on any issue, but if youīre as good as dead
anyway in 20 years when youīre in a hospital bed with some machine
breathing for you, itīs kind of hard to take any decision made by a
"resposible adult" seriously.
And of course no one could seriously lobby for legalization of pot, because
they are pot heads or were. Politicians are not all old men who have been
magically born with wrinkled old bodies, spat from the womb like a
90-year-old raisin. They were young once too, and much of their growing
experiences were having "deep thoughts" while they were hopped up on a bowl
about how theyīd make the world better. But you canīt enter politics like
that. The road to power corrupts beyond the person you where when you
started upon that road, and the absurdities of changing the world will set
in the further you get to having the most power. ____________________
Make way for the bad guy!
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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/5/2002 at 09:06 AM |
| ...huh? ____________________
In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King
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Mara
Member   Posts: 161 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/5/2002 at 09:29 AM |
| :-) its Comedain ...you just smile and nod and back away very slowly ____________________
Alot of people have good stories that take place at a lake with friends and
boats and noodle salad just not anyone here
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/5/2002 at 09:45 AM |
Yes, I am saying itīs an infringement on my rights. Whether I smoke a bowl
a day or not should be my decision. It is not within the role of healthy
government to regulate what the individual citizen does with his or her
spare time, unless those activities are harming the people around them.
Otherwise, where do you draw the line? Who defines the line? What about
if someone in government decides that "being goth" is dangerous and
irresponsible to the individual, and outlaws that? Weīre perilously near
that as it is.
I suppose you mean by "infringing on someone elseīs right to live", you
mean that by legalizing marijuana, all the poor Mexicans are going to
starve to death. I have already expressed my thoughts on that opinion.
Personally, I think less people will end up in the morgue if power is taken
away from the drug lords, who are, after all, the ones with the guns in
their hands.
As for driving under the influence of pot, Iīm responsible enough not to do
that. Just like Iīm responsible enough not to drive drunk. There is such
a thing as responsible substance use. Irresponsible use endangering human
life should most definitely be restricted, just as it is with alcohol.
That is one thing that IS within the role of government.
The people who are doing every drug they can are already doing every drug
they can. As Iīve said, and others have said, over and over ad nauseum,
with it seeming to fly in one of your ears and out the other, irresponsible
self-destructive people are already being irresponsible and
self-destructive. Maybe itīs hard for them to misuse pot, but they have a
heyday sniffing glue or aerosol, or whatever. Theyīre already clinging to
the roof of their college roommateīs car while he drives 60 down the
highway. Theyīre already using funnels to see how much cheap beer they can
pour down their gullets. People with a death wish will always have plenty
of chances to have their wish fulfilled.
Yes, smoking, pot or tobacco, is detrimental to your health, in excess. So
is eating fatty foods. Shall we outlaw deep-fried french fries? What
about icecream? Oooooh! The detrimental effects of chocolate! I believe
it is the job of the individual to decide what level of danger is too much
for them. Whether the pleasure of moderate use is worth the health risk.
Of course, legalized pot will probably bring the advent of joints with
filters, rather like normal tobacco cigarettes. Thus, legalization will
decrease the health risk of those who are already responsible enough to
moderate their usage.
Of course it is the place of the parent to teach the child responsible use
of many dangerous substances and activities. Like driving a car. Or, as I
said before, eating. How about sex? Very potentially life-threatening,
you know. A responsible parent will say "these things are dangerous. But
they are also pleasurable, or useful. Here is what you need to know to
make educated decisions about them."
I donīt know who youīve seen for pot smokers, but not everyone who has
smoked pot is a pothead. If you smoke it everyday, if you canīt function
without being high, then you are a pothead. Just like not everyone who
drinks is an alcoholic. That is precisely the lie that we wish to combat.
Marijuana is a drug that can be used very responsibly. Not all people who
smoke cannabis live their lives in a floaty sort of haze. But the
stereotype is too tightly pounded into peopleīs minds. Rather like the
anti-social, suicidal, devil-worshiping stereotype of a goth. There are
examples to support the stereotype, but they are the exception rather than
the rule.
Poor Comedian. When will you admit that you are inexperienced and far from
knowing everything? When will you realize that those who disagree with you
MAY actually have valid points? How desperately you attack those who
refuse to see things they way you do! Will you ever see that your theories
and projections of the future are unproven, and it is entirely valid for
others NOT to bow before them like facts!
No, Comedian, I am not infringing on anyoneīs right to live just because I
am advocating something that you think will ruin other peopleīs lives.
Donīt you see that you are what you hate? You do the very things that you
despise Christians for - i.e. condemning others for not agreeing with your
point of view. Itīs sad. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and
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dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Shade
Fanatic Posts: 289 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/5/2002 at 03:02 PM |
Birth is harmful to your health and shortens the lifespan of the
host(mother). Shouldnīt we therefor start with illegalizing birth and make
all illegal babies guilty of attempted murder?
-Life is harmful to your health ____________________
It is only through the lack of sex that humanity derives the need for an
all encompassing blind love. And in that moment of extreme horniness
with
no relief in sight, in that moment can be found the birth of
religion.
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-Me
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/5/2002 at 10:47 PM |
quote:
"Yes, youīre saying itīs
a great infringement on your rights to go smoke a bowl a day, but when you
infringe on someone elseīs right to live, thatīs a pretty fucking far step
from the bowl."
Saying that smoking pot is taking someoneīs life in your own hands is not
just a far step from the bowl, itīs a far step from reality! Itīs
preposterous!
Drunk driving is illegal, so why wouldnīt driving while stoned be illegal?
People drive stoned far less than people that drive drunk...on one hand you
could say itīs fortunate that pot sort of makes you want to sit and stay,
versus alcohol which makes you think youīre superman and a stock car
driver. You tell us to look at all the angles, whereas all the angles you
ask us to look at are intellectually insulting to those who HAVE put
thought into it...and itīs repetitive material with new vehemence to make
it sound fresh, or right. Hell, I outright said I can see where you are
coming from, and you refuse to see where anybody else may be coming from,
other ideas, other takes, other sides to the looking glass...itīs a two way
mirror, hun, and itīs like seeing a parrot mesmerised by his own
relfection.
Being human is living in a risky world. Deal with it. Someone who smokes
pot is not a risk to the world. People die in traffic accidents every
day...sober, decent people cause and/or die in auto accidents every minute.
People drop dead from heart attacks and aneurisms. People die in
household accidents, accidental poisonings, at work. Pot wonīt make one
goddamned difference in deaths. Not one.
quote:
And itīs nice to see that
people who will gradually murder themselves by filling up their lungs full
of nasty black shit with the consistency of sandpaper-flavored jello will
be responsible enough to tell their children the pros and cons of gradual
suicide, should marijuana be legalized. Your choices are your own to make
on any issue, but if youīre as good as dead anyway in 20 years when youīre
in a hospital bed with some machine breathing for you, itīs kind of hard to
take any decision made by a "resposible adult" seriously.
Gradual suicide, nice nice nice. First off, my decisions are my decisions,
and I donīt need someone to shake their finger at me and repeat the
irritatingly redundant "those are bad for you those will kill you those
shave 20 years off your life DIDNīT YOU KNOW?!" Well jesus christ on a
stick, who did I miss out on that? They should put that on the PACK for
crying out loud....oh wait, they do. Well, bothering me and telling me
shit I"m well AWARE of is a risk to your health. Letīs make speaking your
mind illegal, shall we? No, you wouldnīt like the restriction on your
freedom, would you? Iīm not going to smoke forever, as if itīs any of your
business. When I make the decision to have children, the smoking stops
because I am a RESPONSIBLE ADULT. No kid is going to listen to someone
whoīs not been there....the best examples to set are ones experienced
before, not some self righteous "adult" talking out their ass on topics
they dontī understand, like MOST do nowadays! Or they are outright
hypocrites, preaching against their own guilty pleasures in their own
homes! As for "responsible adult" I am one, thank you very much. Donīt
pussyfoot your insults. If youīre going to pretend you understand things
so very much, then come out and SAY IT. I certainly donīt need a teenager
telling me what a "responsible adult" IS, let alone what is okay for me to
do in my own goddamned time and what should be legal to put in my own
goddamned body. If I have to pay my fucking taxes, work 44hrs a week and
support myself, I have the right to do with my life as I wish, because Iīve
EARNED it. SO THERE.
I may be pro-choice, but that doesnīt mean I want to stand on a
streetcorner and yell "Yay for abortions! Abortions for everyone!!"
Pro choice means I advocate the choice to do with my body what I wish. Not
that I revel in the murder of babies.
Pro marijuana legalization doesnīt mean I want to stand on a corner yelling
"Yay for pot! Everyone toke up an operate heavy machinery and dance to the
crumble of third world nations now that those darling angels of mercy drug
cartells are out of business!!! "
Itīs choice, fuck the people that think they know whatīs good for me. Fuck
them.
quote:
And of course no one
could seriously lobby for legalization of pot, because they are pot heads
or were
OF COURSE!!! :evil: Excuse the FUCK out of me I would lobby for it in a
minute and Iīve never TOUCHED it, and never WILL as a conscious PERSONAL
ADULT DECISION because *I* decide whatīs right for my life. IīVE NEVER
TOUCHED IT, remember me saying that before? No? obviously not...shows how
good you listen to yourself and not others..must be all that time spent
reflecting on different ways to say the same old bullshit...thanks for
saving me the trouble and pointing out your ignorance for FOR ME ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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Comedian
Fanatic Posts: 213 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/5/2002 at 07:22 AM |
Ah. If none of you smoke it anyway, why in godfuckīs name do you need
it?
Far fucking step from reality. Yeah, thatīs where you are, far fucking far
away from anything approaching a sane and examining mind. The laws in
place are meant to cater to the lowest common denominator of humanity, and
people need those laws to be in place otherwise you get a fuckload of
idiots jacking off with glee over a pack of marijuettes. The average IQ in
this nation is 90, for fucks sake, people donīt need fucking choices about
how to get good and fucked up because if they do theyīre going to make more
stupid decisions and more and more shit will pile up.
Oh well. WHoop-dee-dee. A bunch of people who never do the shit are
saying itīs an infringement on their right to live like shit. You know why
I donīt give a shit? Because people who ignore the bodyīs own natural
survival monitors, when the body and the subconcious try hard as fuck to
stay alive-- are mentally deranged. You coughed up a blood clot on to a
napkin and you just kept on smoking, though you *did* cut down your use.
Ohhh, big iron lungs can still take it! If youīre dead anyway, your
thoughts opinions and realities are really fucking invalid, because youīre
just too busy fucking yourself in the throat with a razor blade, and
thinking itīs all that makes you all that, so whereīs your brain? Yeah,
you did earn it.
And you know Shade, thatīs not a half bad idea. Test tube babies are fine
with me, more people need phobias of chicken basters anyway. Beer should
be illegal? Why the fuck not, half the natyionīs hooked anyway, and most
people can get the same buzz just taking a couple nodoz and lying down for
half an hour.
This nation has to cater to the lowest common denominator and keep shit
illegal or people will just abuse the hell out of it. YOUīRE ALL THE
FUCKING REASON WHY POT HAS TO BE ILLEGAL. DO you get it? Do you
understand? Because a great majority are stupid, hopped up, drunk or
fuctioning with less that 3% of your brain need it to be illegal or youīd
go fuck up on it. Stupidity is enough of a buzz, you donīt need a joint to
stare at the glowing box in the den for 8 hours straight.
And I donīt mean the Mexicans are going to starve to death. Thereīs enough
people drinking and then all the other cars on the highway have to deal
with it, and god forbid any should fuck up. And, just saying people who
use and abuse are already doing it, youīre just making it loads easier for
them to constantly be using and abusing by putting half their cocktail on
the fucking shelf, or making it so they can grow it themselves.
____________________
Make way for the bad guy!
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/5/2002 at 07:46 AM |
Hooooo! If I use the word "fuck" in every sentence, maybe I can be as
intelligent as Comedian!
You want to know why we fucking want it legalized? Because itīs one
fucking step closer to the fucking government fucking with our rights to
make decisions for ourselves! Because I donīt want a fucking bunch of
hypocritical polititians who canīt even keep from fucking their interns and
getting caught, trying to babysit me and keep me from fucking burning my
fingers or doing something that (oh my fucking God!) might possibly harm
me! Because I think the fucking government has no fucking right in that
part of anyoneīs life! Because next thing, the fucking government is going
to decide that this lifestyle or that is fucking dangerous, when in reality
they donīt have a fucking clue!
Does that make any fucking sense to you?!!!
Earth to fucking Comedian! The fucking idots of the world are either in
politics, or already jacking off with glee! Guess what! The fucking war
on drugs is a joke! It doesnīt work! Itīs a waste of my hard-earned
money! The fucking idiots are going to fuck themselves up in any fucking
way they can, legally or illegally!
Of course, we could always put people like you in charge, Comedian, then we
could lock away all the fucking idiots in fucking jail cells just for
having low I.Q.īs, so they wonīt fucking harm themselves! Then who decides
who the fuck is stupid enough to be locked away? You? Everyone who
disagrees with you is stupid enough to be fucking locked away? Or the
government, who are all tripping on fucking politics, anyway, and havenīt
been in the real world since they ran for town treasurer?
Wow! Schizo-27 Comedian-14! I win the fuck-fight!
This is fun! ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and
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dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the
carefullest
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of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Kira
Member  Posts: 149 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/5/2002 at 09:01 PM |
Comedian for Dictator! Should I start making your campaign fliers? Oh,
wait. Dictators just take power whenever they want it. lol
Seriously tho, I am cynical as all hell when it comes to my outlook on the
American masses. But I would never say that people are so dumb that they
*need* laws handed down by our all mighty government to live their lives.
Democracy hasnīt been around forever, at least in a formal sense of the
word.
Is smoking pot bad for you? Yes. However, unlike cigarettes most average
pot smokers donīt smoke a pack of joints a day. Donīt forget that pot can
also be consumed...and if you can scientifically prove that recreational
pot use really does kill brain cells then you could potentially be very
famous.
Unfortunately, lots of things are bad for you. And while youīre off
listening to your bodyīs own natural survival monitors and obsessing over
how wonderfully healthy you are, Iīm going to be out living and enjoying my
life. If you can do both at the same time, good for you. But I donīt need
to be lectured about it if I make different choices than you do. The truth
is you could be the healthiest person on the planet and still get run over
by a bus tomorrow. Lifeīs a crapshoot like that.
I could be the poster child for smoking pot. "YOUīRE ALL THE FUCKING
REASON WHY POT HAS TO BE ILLEGAL. " Iīm not an idiot, and I am not one of
the dumbed down masses. At 23 Iīm working on my masterīs degree on a
totally free ride. I smoke up around once or twice a week, and still
maintain a 4.0. Youīre going to stand there and tell me Iīm a fuckup?
Well, good luck convincing anyone else of it.
And like it or not...while there is still a long road ahead, pot is
getting closer to becoming legal someday. There are hundreds of grass
roots (no pun intended) campaigns going on at any given time. The general
public is getting fed up with the drug war. Hell, even the boiīs 90 year
old grandfather thinks it should be legalized.
Donīt be so quick to judge. Humans have been using drugs ever since we
were human. :-o
"What you call the disease,
I call the remedy.
What youīre callinī the cause,
I call the cure " ____________________
Wind me up and make me crawl to you, tie me up until I call to you.
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/5/2002 at 11:38 PM |
Schitzo wins the fuck fight *cheers* oh wait, that was a score? I thought
you were stating each otherīs AGES.
Comedian, how long must you chase your tail? No, how long must we LISTEN
to you chasing your own tail. SAID IT. BEEN THERE. OLD HAT. Say
something that makes some sense now and again and we may stay
interested.
So how is it that you come to insult me (again)? Because I disagree with
you? Because in my educated OPINION, I see things differently?
How dare you insult anyone here. Through all your childish "I wanna act
like an educated big boy...Iīm even wearing pull ups now" your opinions
have been argued, but always RESPECTED. Donīt YOU cop an attitude with ME
*JUNIOR*, as Iīve been one of THE FEW who has tried to throughout this
"debate" to try to keep it as such and keep it respectful which you tossed
out the window with so many used diapers of dialect you suffer us with.
Thatīs the LAST time I bother stepping in for you.
Weīre all the reasons that pot should remain illegal?
Well, to settle the fuck fight once and for all, multiply this reply times
a thousand for me..you can use a calculator if you like.
ahem...
fuck you
but I digress. If anything, the people that have replied are THE reason
pot should be legalized. RESPONSIBLE. EDUCATED. INTELLIGENT.
What, you expect to be able to make fun of people and have a conscious and
respectable banter to follow? No...you didnīt. You kick and scream and
"iīm right and your wrong and your stupid cause Iīm right and I said
so...you *poor* POOR idiots....my educated heart BLEEDS" until you feel
youīve gotten your way. Learn to think like an adult (ie: respectful,
thoughtful, intelligent) and stop acting like a child...a poorly behaved
CHILD.
Am I the reason pot should remain illegal? Why, because Iīve never smoked
it? You said that anyone seriously lobbying for marijuana legalization is
a pot head. WRONG AGAIN! Whoīs keeping a tally? Iīm losing count....must
be all the DRUGS Iīm NOT doing...
You want to take away my cigarettes too kiddo? You can pry them from my
cold dead hands before you and your like have any say over my life and what
I do, you self righteous sanctimonious wannabe worldīs mommy. I have one
mother, and sheīs more than you or the likes of you could ever be, so step
the fuck OFF (a cliff). Yes, I coughed up blood from clove cigarettes
before I knew they were that dangerous. So I stopped. Why in hellīs name
should you care!? I donīt have "property of our benevolent asswad, keeping
us safe cause weīre stoopid" tattooed on my ass. I have a pair of lips. A
target for people like you.
And now itīs gone from pot to beer...I know, letīs outlaw beer and
cigarettes, and cars! Cars kill people every so many seconds! Peple
commit suicide and homicide in cars! Cars BAAAADD...no more cars.. And
children! We are so overpopulated and such, They can kill their mothers,
canīt control their bowels, have to be hand fed, canīt talk, cry all the
time...Children baaaaad...no more children. Lets make children illegal
too! and personal protection devices so when we get mugged we wonīt hurt
our assailants! And household chemical cleaners so people wonīt be tempted
to clean their tubs and slip and crack their poor thick heads, or huff to
escape the oatmeal torture the likes of you would enslave the world under,
all with our PROTECTION in mind, of course...weīre far too frail to handle
thinking on our own, lets start putting microchips in infants brains with a
set life pattern so we can ALL be as charming and intelligent and
"responsible" and "safe" as youīd like your minions to be! Ever read
"1984"?
Iīm sure a young man of your learning has all the answers on how to keep us
poor hapless cows from enjoying our short life...my my with such genious I
wonder why you rot in the oblivion of the internet instead of high on a
public pedestal the likes of which youīve created for yourself. jesus
christ, youīre on a roll, son, and itīs not sesame, itīs hillarity. A far
step from reality I may be, but a stoneīs throw versus the canyon of
oblivion youīve built your bombshelter.
I knew once you started it wouldnīt be long until the tantrums and name
callings began...could see it coming, have seen it before. Start out
reasonably and socially until someone says "thatīs not what I think" then
the panty pissing, fit throwing, the name calling, the condescending and
the insulting begins.
Old hat. Get a new routine. Preferably one with some common sense behind
it. Oh, and one last thing.
Itīs the nature of the beast.
People will do it regardless.
People will fuck with it regardless.
You donīt know whatīs right for anyone but you.
You canīt control people.
The war on drugs is as effective as your wadded panty influenced
"arguments"
Stop taking yourself so seriously.
Nobody else does, anymore, that is.
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Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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