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posted on 20/11/2004 at 08:10 PM |
I think I am going to drink pesticide...the results of this test were just
devastating!!! Me..not goth?! Oh wait I already knew that. Will someone
beat me till I am black and blue? Chew my soft tissue into ash? Only if the
pesticide doesn't work.
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 8/12/2004 at 06:11 AM |
They have meetings? Wow, those grammarians have all the fun. I was just
basing my grammar knowledge on literary usage.
I may well be being dense here, but what is the the interjection? ____________________
Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.
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pale-face
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posted on 6/12/2004 at 01:55 PM |
| Ahhhh. hot tea. one of my good friends boils water pours it makes her tea
and waits for the water to stop boiling then drinks it right away. it's
insane. she drinks tea hotter than you cook soup. (maybe a bit of a
stretch. but you get my point). ____________________
fucking classy.
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callei
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posted on 6/12/2004 at 06:43 AM |
So Mono, you would have interjected to stop interjections? I just bet you
would you contrary person you.
For the record, i managed to NOT sip hot tea on my monitor this time.
Neener neener neener. ____________________
Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
away.
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Monolycus
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posted on 6/12/2004 at 04:38 AM |
Rogue: I have told you before that these long distance relationships don't
work. I'd like to be supportive here, but I don't see you having much of a
future with Ms Koko no matter how many occasions you have spent cybering
her on the 'net. She's simply in a very vulnerable place right now and you
can't base an entire relationship on really hot grooming.
W0rmW00d: I wasn't at the meeting when the grammarians decided to
acknowledge the the interjection into the lexicon. I would have
filibustered that vote.
~M. ____________________
"I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 6/12/2004 at 03:53 AM |
Hey, gothicmorman, is dysgraphia like dysnumbria, or whatever they started
calling it when it was discovered that many, many children were rubbish at
maths? I noticed the term quietly slip away into oblivion after the craze
that got my mother assuming that my sister had it, not realising that the
fact she was rubbish at maths was becaus she didn't like it so didn't
bother to try.
Did you ever read any poetry, or a novel? Or listen to a speech? Are you
aware of rhetorical writing techniques? Like a stream of consciousness, or
apostrophe, perhaps.
O god, O hell, O shit. This sentence is not really grammatically accurate
because it is, without any object, verb or other niceties of standard
written language, beseeching, calling or otherwise summoning god, hell and
shit respectively. It is a technique which is quite prevalent in the
english language. You may have noticed. It is also perfectly acceptable
english despite its lack of true grammatical form. Much like a two word
sentence such as oooh, random example. 'You Dick.' Again with subtle
implied syntax.
Oh, by the way, did you bother to read my other posts attempting to clarify
what I meant? Admittedly I was far too drunk to be writing my last one, and
I appear to have forgotten to outline the distinction between people as a
plural of person and people as in people are stupid. Either way, I did not
at any point preclude the existence of stupid people in other countries, in
fact I explicitly cited my own and a few others ive been to as countries
containing stupid people. Not to mention the fact that I also said 'this is
not to say that I think all americans are stupid'
which coming before your 'he is making an equally incorrect statement that
all people in america are stupid.' rather fucks it over doesn't it?
Interestingly I do actually imply that all stupid people are in America. It
takes a bit of a dig and a deep victim mentality, but it is there.
Because I said that America as a nation uses incorrect spelling and it has
not been held back I vaguely imply that everywhere else in the world has
better spelling because otherwise being held back would not be an issue. I
also created a logical bridge between bad spelling and stupidity so
logically I say that the stupidest people are in America.
Takes a bit of a stretch but its there. Ooops. All the stupid people are
everywhere, i can see one out of my window right now. ____________________
Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.
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Rogue
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posted on 4/12/2004 at 10:01 PM |
Koko the gorilla is a sublime creature with breasts of sable and a mind
like a box of double-edged razors. She is my love puppet, and someday we
will show the world that species and age barriers are not enough to call a
love "bad" or "wrong" or "dude, you're sick!"
When David Hasselhoff presides over our sacred union before God, then will
the world be set right again and I am sure that everyone from Germans to
Kim Jong-Il to President Schwarzenegger and Vice President Ventura will
smile upon that glorious day. Praise be to Beliar. ____________________
Plenty of time, my sweet. Plenty of time.
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gothicmorman
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posted on 4/12/2004 at 08:22 PM |
1) dyslexia does not neccesarily cause bad spelling. instead it is where
one cannot read well. dysgraphia on the other hand can cause bad spelling.
it is where one cannot write well. that being said i may have those
backwards thus rendering my point here useless but im pretty sure it goes
this way.
2)
quote:
Firstly: What has happened to spelling and grammer? I appreciate most of
you are American, but your poor education is still no excuse! Every thought
about investing in an adult literacy course? Until then do not defane my
computer screen with your inane babbling.
by abbadon.
quote:
As I just said: Pesticides can be good for you. Try reading the whole post
before replying. You dick.
by abbadon.
if it bothers you that much dont come to this site. not only that you are
not so perfect either as you can see the last sentence of the second quote
says "You dick." now because we are all smart people we can all tell that
you are calling pale-face a dick. but if we were to assume that you have
perfect grammer like you so profess then we would wonder what the hell you
were talking about because in the manner you stated it dick is the verb and
therefore pale-face is dicking, which is not really a real verb ... yet.
what it should be is something along the lines of "You are a dick." but in
reality i just dont give a fuck.
quote:
but you are making a blanket statement that implies that all the stupid
people are in america...
by Feral.
actually that is not quite assumable, although he is making an equally
incorrect statement that all people in america are stupid. also he himself
has proved that there are stupid people in other places than america unless
he is also an american and simply denying the fact to himself.
quote:
abbandon I believe your hate for every thing has brought you to a new low
of poking fun at spelling and grammar.
by pale-face.
well said. abbadon may need to get a life at points like these but you
never really know eh?...
well that is my contribution, if anyone is paying attention, yay...
the ruthless
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 4/12/2004 at 11:02 AM |
Dyslexia as a problem causes bad spelling but is not in and of itself bad
spelling, but granted I overlooked it for which I apologise. I think that
it makes it harder to recognise patterns which therefore makes it harder to
read, as letters words are patterns assigned meaning. I could be wrong
there, but I think that that is the gist of it.
My anti-americanism is no secret. Nor should be my anti-Britain outlook. My
anti-Russian outlook, nor my anti-French oulook, nor the hatred I hold for
any of the countries of the world. In fact, I hate nationalities. I
absolutely detest the arbitrary division of this world. America is often
the subject of debates on this forum, so it is what I pick on. Many of the
people here are American, so it is relevant to use it.
It is not groundless either. On my trips through America I have been
accosted by so many morons I cannot even count them. In England I have to
deal with idiots daily also, and everywhere else that I go. I don't like
the majority of people, its a fact and, I beleive, an outlook shared by
many here who are, on the whole, people I actually quite like, beleive it
or not. There is evidence such as a popular vote putting someone in charge
of a whole state, with a huge economy pretty much on the grounds that he
was a film star. There is the litigious nature of the society, there are
people suing MacDonalds because they got fat for fucks sake. There is the
banal television programmes, the foreign policy and the patriotic attitudes
of many. Driving through New York state I saw almost as many American flags
as I did unnecessarily large cars. I also, in fact, often give an example
when I decry stupidity.
This is not to say that I think that all Americans are stupid, nor that
people are stupid simply because they are American, thats more than
idiotic, it is downright racist. People are stupid, people who live in
America are Americans therefore America is stupid. Again people is a
blanket term and obviously has exceptions.
Also my definitions of stupidity probably differ from yours also. I define
a gun-owner as stupid for the sole reason that they own a gun, for example.
Its a personal view, given, but it is one I hold.
I hope that that has cleared up this particular character trait of mine for
you. Like it or loathe it, it is me, and if you care then it will allow you
to understand the way I do things much more.
In the posts I made here the extension was that Americans were stupid, I
admitted, but it was not really my intention. I have explained my
intentions. ____________________
Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.
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feralucce
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posted on 3/12/2004 at 06:50 PM |
Mono: I was asking for the acutaly physical source... I tossed that
textbook... but that history was enlightening... and taken to heart
[Edited on 12/4/2004 by feralucce] ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Monolycus
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posted on 2/12/2004 at 08:57 PM |
feral: I generally balk at using web sites in a bibliography (firstly,
because they are not peer-reviewed and therefore, anyone can find anything
to suit their purposes... and secondly because you can run a google search
on a biography as easily as I can), but since I feel I may have been a bit
on the harsh side lately... I'll throw you a bone here. Try http://www.phy.hr/~dpaar/fizicari/xeinstei.html
Make sure you actually read it all the way through and don't simply stop at
the point where he left elementary (which might be where this stupid myth
comes from originally). He was awarded his PhD in 1905 from Polytechnic
University in Zurich and qualified for the position of lecturer at the
University of Bern in 1908.
But even without reading a biography, common sense should dictate that the
story of a 6th grade educated Einstein is a myth. To begin with, most
people know that he is very frequently introduced in works as
DOCTOR Albert Einstein (not an honorary title, I assure you) and most
people know that he spent many years after emigrating to the USA as
professor emeritus at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton... a
post which would require him to hold a Phd.
If you have found a publisher who is perpetuating this insulting story,
give 'em hell for me.
~M. ____________________
"I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
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feralucce
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posted on 2/12/2004 at 04:30 PM |
| Mono: sorry... was not aware of that... I have a reference that will be
getting tossed after I ream the publishers... may I get a citation on that
so I can back it up? and I am making a point with the whole intelligence
thing... WW as put forth the opinion that bad spelling and grammar are
inherent signs of stupidity... I am shoing an exception.. and when using
the scientific method an exception keeps things in the realm of theory... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Abbadon
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posted on 2/12/2004 at 02:50 PM |
| I get by. ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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Monolycus
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posted on 2/12/2004 at 02:44 PM |
feral: Sorry I missed the irony in the Germany statements. My bad. Now, I
just have to say...
ALBERT EINSTEIN WAS AWARDED A PhD BY THE POLYTECHNIC UNIVERSITY IN
ZURICH, SWITZERLAND BEFORE EXPOUNDING UPON THE SPECIAL AND GENERAL THEORIES
OF RELATIVITY IN 1905! The only people who continue to promote this
blatant lie about Einstein only having a sixth grade education are people
with a chip on their shoulders about Universities. It is insulting to
people who do have degrees and only promotes an anti-intellectual
atmosphere... and we have the Bush administration for that already, thank
you.
To my knowledge, nobody has questioned your intelligence and I am not sure
why you are defending it. I will mention, though, that I have noticed a
direct correlation between how profoundly stupid a person is and how
persistently they crow about how smart they are. You've got nothing to
prove here.
Abbadon: Isn't it exhausting to be that snide all the time?
~M. ____________________
"I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
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Abbadon
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posted on 2/12/2004 at 02:08 PM |
| Mwahahaha. Look what I have created! ____________________
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feralucce
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posted on 2/12/2004 at 07:09 AM |
WormWood: I call bullshit... you, in as many words,
prettymuch did say that... and if itwasnot your intent, choose your words
more carefully beecause all over the forums that is the impression you have
given... and by the fact that more than one person jumped you for it, it is
not my tendency to see the worst in everyone that made that impression...
My point it you have made statements over and again that seem inherently
anti-american without any proof. Your statements have been consistent with
the baseless continental rhetoric that has been all over Europe for years.
You may not have seen it, but it has been seen by many here... and this,
personally, where I have drawn the line...
number two... my spelling, as a general rule is abhorent. There are reasons
for it... none of these reasons is that I am stupid. It is possible for an
individual to be a genius and not be able to spell at all. As for
education, the system here sucks, and I ahve commented on why (the american
education association stated "our goal is not to educate america's yougth,
but to change them, remake them in our own image.") But education does not
make intelligence... I cite Einstein as an example... dislexic, unable to
spell well, 6th grade education, and a fucking genius... i know for a fact
that I am not stupid, and yet I cannot spell either...
Mono: you wound me... though I guess the fault is not
mine for not labelling the joke as such... "Fuck... germans and david
hasselhof is proof to me ofan antire country of dumbfucks..." - that
statement was intended as a citation with humor and irony... mea culpa for
lack of exposition to reveal the sarcstic nature of the comment... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Schizo
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posted on 2/12/2004 at 03:28 AM |
Actually, Mono, I did not have Koko the Gorilla in mind when I made that
statement.
And it is true that those who want to learn will find a way, even without
formal education, while those who do not want to learn, won't, even if they
attend the finest universities.
Look at all the idiots who go to first class colleges and party their
opportunities away.
However, one with the mind to learn will certainly find their path to
learning much easier if they have the opportunity to attend a fine
institution of learning. Some people don't have that opportunity, however,
and if they can acheive education on their own, then they are to be highly
commended. It takes a lot of drive and hard work to search out one's
mental food, rather than have it placed before them, nicely prepared, on a
daily basis. And those who learn to teach themselves have an advantage or
two over others - they don't spend the rest of their lives trying to pay
off their college debt, and they have learned something more valuable than
just a collection of facts - they have learned to teach themselves.
All this having been said, I long for the opportunity to pursue higher
education. I just plain don't have the time for it. But someday - even if
I have to wait until my daughter graduates from high school (I hope not!).
Even the time and energy to just sit down with a book and learn by myself
would be nice.
And Wormwood - I, too, was not trying to engage in a hugely serious debate
over the American spelling issue, at least as in regard to the difference
between hour/hor and colour/color. But I am very serious about my deep
seated hatred for the spell-as-it-sounds tendency in this country. I abhor
lite and brite and nite and luv and all their ilk. Perhaps, if their
spelling is ever officially changed in this country, I shall rebel and
always spell them the old way. However, I grew up with color and flavor.
I suppose I could make an issue over them, but why? If we really wanted to
get all original in our English, we could revert to the times when there
were no official spellings of anything. I could spell colour as culor or
collor or just about anything else, as long as you could remotely guess at
the meaning. That's probably where the original "u" came from, anyway.
Unfortunately, if I did that, I would just get accused of poor spelling,
which would be a shame, since spelling has always been a strong point of
mine. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 1/12/2004 at 11:14 PM |
I did not say that America as a nation is stupid. I said that there was
collective bad spelling and that it had not held the US back from becoming
the most powerful nation in the world as a counter argument to MRD saying
that bad spelling would hold pale-face (or anyone) back.
I did go on to imply that all bad spellers were stupid, but it was not
really the intention to make the logical extention thar americans were all
stupid. I should have been more clear, because it cannot possibly be said
that a person who has been taught to spell in a certain way is stupid for
spelling in that way, e.g. Sulfur. I really meant that someone who
consistently gets the spelling of many words wrong is stupid, for not
realising if/when they see the word correctly written elsewhere and, if
they don't see it written elsewhere, for not reading enough.
So apologies for that, although much of the evidence I have ever seen has
indicated huge levels of idiocy in America riding alongside the brilliant
minds, as you yourselves admit. I try not to make uninformed blanket
statements when I am making an actual point rather than amusing myself with
sarcasm and rhetoric, which, Feral, I feel is far from meaningless and
whithout which we would have no great writing or speaking.
Schizo, hour as an example was not really meant to be serious, but I
suppose I made it seem so by including it with my serious examples.
Mono: Pretty sure its sociopathy which cannot recognise the existence of
other sentiences. Again I partially agree with your point, 'anyone who
thinks so poorly of me or so highly of themselves that they feel they are
above any form of self-improvement is not someone with whom I am going to
waste my time' but I still would argue that on the whole people do not
realise that there is improvement to be made, and may well make that
improvement if their mistakes were just pointed out to them instead of left
to fester. ____________________
Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.
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Monolycus
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posted on 1/12/2004 at 06:38 PM |
pale-face: When praising the benefits of a spellcheck program, you
illustrated its inherent weakness (I'm not sure if you did that as a joke
or not). "Miss" and "spelt" are both perfectly acceptable English words,
but together they are only homonyms with, and not replacements for, the
English word "misspelled" (or, if you are feeling archaic, "misspelt").
It's up to the human behind the spellcheck program to spot the
difference.
W0rmW00d: I was not trying to contribute to the cult of victims out there.
What I meant when I described the situation as sociopathic was that people
who refuse to correct their bad habits do not see the value in doing so
because they do not recognise that other people have independent existence.
Others are like televisions or computers and are here exclusively for
their benefit. "Shouldn't others have to be the ones to change to
accomodate me?" I can not recall if the inability to recognise the
independent existence of others is symptomatic of sociopathy or
psychopathy. In any event, anyone who thinks so poorly of me or so highly
of themselves that they feel they are above any form of self-improvement is
not someone with whom I am going to waste my time. Even if they are a
"victim".
feral: Countering groundless American bashing with groundless German
bashing? I expected better from you. I happen to think very, very highly
of the way Germany does its business and I think that David Hasselhoff
seems to be doing very well for himself regardless of your opinion of him.
Schiz: I did not mean to suggest that "anyone who has a mind to learn will
learn, regardless of the poor quality of their educational system" when I
said that Koko the mountain gorilla is able to type comprehensibly. Koko
was also taught. There is an anti-intellectualism at work in the States
these days (and not in the other countries I have been to... so yes, I
meant that to be directed) which is distrustful of the formally educated.
While I do not agree that a formal credential is necessarily any indication
of anything except one's ability to pay for it (by hook or by crook in most
cases), I think that this suspicion of educational institutions is harmful.
In almost every totalitarian regime in human history, the first ones who
are targeted to be eliminated are the formally educated. When
anti-intellectualism becomes internalised by the people (I have heard
people proudly and fallaciously promote the myth that Albert Einstein only
had a sixth grade formal education), then a repressive government has done
its job.
~M.
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"I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
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MystryssRavynDarque
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posted on 1/12/2004 at 09:12 AM |
| Schizo and Feral: You two totally rocked with those comments. Not that
you don't generally, but that was wonderful. ____________________
"People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell
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