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Author: Subject: Goths, Loners, Miscreants

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  posted on 22/10/2005 at 09:39 AM
First Columbine, now this. It is almost hard to believe how much coverage is given to this kid's appearance and lifestyle, and other things remain untouched like his family life, intervention by school staff and counselors, or childhood abuse... Thoughts?

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/10/21/vitale.suspect/

 

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  posted on 22/10/2005 at 08:03 PM
Well, Rogue, I think you're full of shit first off. It's part of the goth scene to be an outcast and do stupid shit to society, what's society ever done for us? LMFAO I mean, how many goth prezidentz were there besides that Amish guy with the hat and Jefferson Davis? Feck 'em all man, Marilyn Manson is what Jesus wants to be when he grows up and finds his angst and I'd march in his army into Al Megiddo if He winked at me with that one whitish contact. LOL OMG, like anyway, there was this guy in my class and he was like totally looking at me like he smelled his mom's panties after her pilates workout or something, and I'm like, Do u have a problem joe preppie, or have you never seen safety pins before? luz3r!! Anyway, i like this site cuz it brings us together and stuff and we're like an army or something that the establishment fears and I think Devin is rilly cool and stuff and his girlie is hot and all that, and seattle is like mecca and i pray to it evry nite when i pass out from mad dog cuz it rains and its sad like my soul is sad and i just feel like its all part of something bigger, you know? Im hungry, ttfn.

 

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  posted on 23/10/2005 at 05:42 AM
Dyleski has been described by classmates as a popular jock who followed the NFL and dressed in GAP from the logo on his t-shirt to his well-cut jeans.

A sports emblem was carved into [the victim's] back.

"He was just really a athletic kid, and everyone knew who he was just because of his team jersey. When you heard the name, you were just like, 'Oh, that kid,' " a classmate told CNN.

"He just definitely stood out in front of anybody in the school," the classmate added. "When he walked by , everybody talked about him -- like, he definitely didn't blend in."

Former classmated told The Associated Press that Dyleski drew a play diagram on the ground at school and that he read from "the NFL rulebook."

"He was really preppie, always wore a t-shirt and jeans," Kevin Ethereidge, 16, told the AP. "He'd hang out with the jocks and cheerleaders, and he talked a lot, pretty outgoing."

...

Somehow that just doesn't make such good copy. Since when does someone's fashion statements have anything to do with crimes committed?

I agree with Rogue (first post!) They should have stayed away from the sensational nonsense about what the kid wore, and maybe investigated something that really mattered, such as what drove him to kill someone. The last thing this country needs is a new reason to discriminate. So you can no longer hate someone for having black skin - but fearing someone for wearing black clothing is A-OK.

The report speaks more of the crime of "not blending in", than that of actually killing someone. Will someone please push some legislation here, because we can no longer allow society to be menaced by those who don't look like everybody else!

 

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  posted on 24/10/2005 at 06:40 AM
Apparently this thing cuts through all levels of society, all the way up to the marble halls of our elected leaders.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/41679

 

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  posted on 24/10/2005 at 02:47 PM
To me this says "Next time on Law and Order". I can see it now.

 

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  posted on 24/10/2005 at 09:09 PM
Interesting to me how you can pick and choose your precedents to justify your prejudices. "Of course we are profiling these non-conformists... you have to admit, Charlie Manson was out on the fringe!"

But if we want to break down the raw statistics, how many crimes (violent or otherwise) are being perpetrated by the non-conformists (like the happy kids from Camp Columbine) and how many are being perpetrated by ultra conformists (Dennis Rader was a pillar of the community... if he grew his hair out or showed up at a dance club in some leather breeches, they would have nebbed him within a week)...? When the freeky-deeks stab a person, they get splayed all over the news (who else remembers the satisfaction everyone got when Richard Ramirez got tree'd?). But the ultraconformist can go years and years at a time without raising the eyebrows of his or her neighbours.

So while we are profiling "dangerous elements", I'd like to bring up the selective precedents of Tim McVeigh and Lee Harvey Oswald and suggest that clean-cut former members of the armed forces should be considered dangerous until proven otherwise. The more they look like a Norman Rockwell painting, the more likely it is that they are trying to hide dangerous intentions (or even dangerous head injuries... with improvements in combat armour, the most common injury coming out of the middle east right now is called "non-invasive brain injury". Meaning, in a nutshell, getting hit in the helmet with a bullet and having your brain turned into scrambled eggs but leaving you looking "normal" on the outside).

And let's not forget non-violent crime... which is by far costleir and more detrimental to the functioning of society than the statistically uncommon brutal murder. So who is pulling off these white collar jobs these days? Is it the moody loner with the greasy hair and long trenchcoat, or is it the dapper fiduciary sociopath with the impeccable manicure? I mean, as long as we are profiling here, who is more dangerous to your welfare... the guy with the septum ring or the guy with the club tie?

 

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  posted on 25/10/2005 at 08:25 PM
It appears to have been an elaborate hoax to cover up the obvious...a delivery service slip-up.

If the equipment purchased fraudulently by underage credit card thieves had been delivered to their illegal drug growing plantation instead of elsewhere...then the whole incident might have been prevented.

 

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  posted on 26/10/2005 at 02:51 AM
So it's all USPS fault. Maybe they should be sued for it or something.

 

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  posted on 26/10/2005 at 01:50 PM
Monolycus, you ignorant slut (because all well-written counterpoints must begin that way),

You have completely missed the point. This isn't a case of profiling at all. The media have reported the appearance of this individual in an attempt to humanize them and to report the news as completely as they can. Would it have been profiling if they had just reported the age of the suspect? Are you saying their is a prejudice against high school students?

I am disappointed in you for trying to politicise every simple story you run across and for shamelessly bumping forums every time you want to have a discussion.

 

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  posted on 26/10/2005 at 01:54 PM
I'm a bumper, am I? Tell you what, pal. Figure out the difference between "their" and "there" and then get back to me. You illiterate.

 

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  posted on 18/11/2005 at 01:44 PM
The occult and the gothic lifestyle tend to attrract the mentally unstable... so, of course it reads like that... hell... the truly antisocial flee frfom the things that make people well adjusted. the issue here is not that they pegged him as gothic... but that they never acknoweldge that mental illness that leasds to this kind of behavior transcends cultural boundaries... in the 80s, it was not gothic, but D&D... so... let is slide, like acid off a duck's back

 

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