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Author: Subject: Evil Homosexual Agenda!

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  posted on 17/12/2003 at 03:57 PM
Did you know the homosexuals have an agenda? I didn't. No one told me. Same thing with all of the other gay people I know. These homosexuals (the kind with the agenda) must live in caves or be kinda metaphysical or something....

http://www.afa.net/homosexual_agenda/

 

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  posted on 17/12/2003 at 03:58 PM
I'm hungry now.... (gasp! does that mean I have a homosexual agenda?)

 

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  posted on 17/12/2003 at 04:20 PM
That's the second time i've been directed to that site this week. Please somebody tell me they're not real. I thought it was one of those satirical sites like the onion or something, but i'm starting to think they're real. I don't want to live in that world.

 

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  posted on 17/12/2003 at 05:34 PM
What?! You haven't all heard of the evil homosexual agenda underground? You know, the "how to" for recruitment (because god forbid someone is BORN that way!), how to make homophobics think they're your type by proxy of their sex, tales from the kiddie snatchers, and the NAMBLA affiliation?

I simply don't know HOW you all find time to actually have relationships or even sex at ALL with how busy you are on the network behind closed doors......do tell.

And devin, nine times out of ten, the more absurd and stereotypical the webpage, the more earnest it's creator.

 

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  posted on 17/12/2003 at 08:48 PM
That site is so one-sided. They are only concerned with the evil homosexuals out to convert straight people, but what about all the evil straight people out there trying to convert gay people. It's unfair I tell you...totally unfair.

 

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  posted on 17/12/2003 at 10:36 PM
here's the problem... it is a gay mafia, not an agenda...

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  posted on 17/12/2003 at 10:42 PM
Oh the American Family Association is real. Those fuckers are creepy and deicated too. It all has something to do with that fucker James Dobson, raping psychology and science to its limits, head hunting for homosexuals, and Colorad Springs. They've been around for years. They use the American 'Family' construct as a tool and sheild to hate gay people and ruin their lives, saying they can "recover" or "change" and they have this paraniod idea that gay people have an 'agenda' I guess exactly like how the people of The Aryan Brotherhood feel that the Jews are out to take over the world. Last time I checked, all gay people wanted was to get the 'god' out and away of their freedoms, and the I've never heard of Jews plotting anything. Except that one time, when I saw a bunch in this warehouse, they were bathing in blood as a homosexual Jewish high preist screamed from a platform about "The Final Solution Nouveau". But that could have been about anything......

 

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  posted on 17/12/2003 at 10:59 PM
As much as I dislike heterosexuals trying to convert homosexuals, I dislike it when homosexuals try to force heterosexuals to go with their life style. People should be able to have their opinions, whether they are the same or different with everyone else's. Just because a heterosexual thinks homosexuality isn't right doesn't mean that they should be beat on...the same goes for homosexuals thinking about heterosexuality.

Now, here is how I view homosexual issues... *digs out the article and pastes it*

My Views on Homosexuality

People debate on whether or not homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals. While the lifestyle is more accepted compared to years ago, there are still legal issues concerning the matter. For one, homosexuals cannot get a marriage certificate in a lot of places. Secondly, they often do not get the "living together" benefits as heterosexual couples. Then there is the "don't ask, don't tell" rule in the military. The list goes on.

I must say first off that I do not think highly of things done for homophobic reasons. Also, I do not condone crimes against homosexuals. To me, these things are done out of the feeling of insecurity about one's sexual preference - to an extent. Long story cut short, I support homosexual rights.

A lot of homophobic individuals out there use conservative religious and cultural values as justification for hating homosexuals. They have the right to consider it wrong if they do, but many go to the extremes of forcing others to think like them. For one, enforcing homosexual rights does not mean that the person has to become a homosexual. Two, not everyone is of the same culture or religion, nor should they be forced to be. No one is going to be alike.

In general, there are people that just dislike homosexuals - probably from being raised in a family or society that scorns it. People must be taught to hate. If not that, they probably fear being hit on or some other issue having to do with insecurity. Again, just because one is homosexual does not mean that heterosexuals should turn homosexual.

Now to the rights...

When I speak of homosexual marriage, I do not say that churches have to approve of it. While I disagree with the belief that homosexuals are unnatural and disgusting, I believe that the churches not wanting to support the act have that right. However, America as a whole is not a theocracy and thus, should not use religion or culture as an excuse to exclude homosexual rights. Homosexuals should be allowed to marry in the court or in other secular systems.

I also do not understand why homosexual couples cannot get the same "living in" benefits as heterosexual couples. They are not even trying to get married and still do not have as many rights! If we are supposed to avoid prejudice in the American government, then this is an example of it not doing it.

There are many more things that should be improved on homosexual rights, but I think I made my point...

Now that I have clarified my stand in this argument, I want to point out the things that I see on the other side of the fence. I notice that a handful of homosexuals try to force people to like them or accept the act as right. No one can force another to think "differently," just like one cannot force "different" people to conform to common ways. One cannot make someone understand, people must learn to understand themselves. Further force makes more resistance and thus, more resentment. This can lead to more flames being built up.

In other words, people must also set an example. Homosexuals must show that they have a sense of responsibility, respect, can do things like heterosexuals, and not fall to the bullying level of many homophobes. Some homosexuals do fall to the bullying level, believe it or not. This does not help the situation one bit.

 

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  posted on 18/12/2003 at 06:36 AM
I have the flu so pardon my total lack of cogency ok?
Homosexuality isnt a lifestyle.

"Clubbing" is a lifestyle. A percentage of the population, not dictated by what chromosome mix they like in bed, lives in the clubs, wears the wild clothes, and has oodles of sex (or trys to) all the time. How is it different if they are "gay" or "straight" or "bi"?
"Yuppydom" is a lifestyle and strangely, it doesnt matter what sexual partners you have, or what you do with those partners, just how much you make and how you spend it.
"Recluse" and "Survivalist" are both lifesty;es and again, they have fuck all to do with who you fuck.

Anf guess what? There is a homosexual agenda. There is a group of people (male and female and a few inbetween) that work day and night to make it safer for kids and adults to say no to abuse, hate, rape, and church "laws" against women.

The "religious" right wing has reason to fear them, and fear them alot. They made it "safe" for those men to come out and say that yes the preists did molest them. They made it safer to say "i was raped" for both women and men. They have fought for years and years to change laws so that children have rights, like the right to leave a bad home situation, the right to treatment for drug addiction, the right to not marry just cuz daddy says so, and so on. They also made it safer for things like Shmeng to exist and for Dev not to have to worry ALL the time about being shut down and thrown in jail.

 

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  posted on 18/12/2003 at 08:10 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think that they are justified in more secular systems. It's just that there's so many die-hards in there that're not only trying to make the secular world safe, but are trying to force church-goers to be like them and/or make their religion accept homosexuals. I am in total disagreement with the conservative philosophy on homosexuals, but I still think the people should keep whatever opinions they have without getting anything shoved in their throat. As long as they don't commit hate crimes, then they should be allowed to have their opinions on homosexuals...I think a lot of them are insecure, but nonetheless, they have the right to their opinion.

Just look at it this way: if we do not want them forcing us to conform to their religion, then why should we force them to conform to our ways?

I think the government should give secular rights, but in turn, should let people practice their religion as long as it doesn't involve hurting others from prejudice. This isn't to say that liberal churches should go with the conservative ones, but if the conservative ones do not want to allow homosexuality on their grounds, then they have the right to dislike it...as long as it's on their grounds that they're enforcing things on.


Just clarifying how I feel a bit more...I'm sure there's many who disagree with me.

 

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  posted on 18/12/2003 at 10:05 AM
anya... I disagree completely... most homosexuals could give a flying rat fuck if ringwing shitmonkey christian accepts or likes them... they would be happy to avoid teh hatred... those that want to change the religions aren't wanting to do it for any reason save for they ARE christian, etc...

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  posted on 18/12/2003 at 04:00 PM
While there are those who do not really care, I've also seen many that did and I see some that still do. And yes, many that are fighting for the rights in the church are Christian and there's some who are not but want to fight for the rights to that extreme.

Like many die-hard conservatives, there are some members of the movement who do go around and bully. I'm not holding that against the whole movement, but for those who do that, I do not think it'll help anything...hence the example part of the article.

The example part applies to many cases. People can only mention how they're not bad to the people that're prejudice against them, prove it, and then move on... them screaming at the biased individuals can lead to preaching, which just pisses those people off.

Believe it or not, there are many homosexuals like that while there are many who, as you said, do not care. I was referring to the ones that exhibit the behavior that I described.


 

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  posted on 18/12/2003 at 10:19 PM
Okay, to add my tuppence to the mix. Most homosexuals want the same rights afforded to a heterosexual couple of the same level of commitment. For instance, the cohabitating homosexual couples want the same rights afforded to the heterosexual couples of the same type...i.e. "life partner" rights. As for marriages, that is covered as well. Under many international treaties, marriages legal in one country are required to be recognised in another...thus the problem with Canada. We have more close relations with them than possibly any of our other bedpartners, but they have legalised gay marriages and so we have to either recognise them or make a constitutional amendment that violates international treaties. In short, homosexuals in marriage-type relationships want marriage-type rights (such as shared health insurance, etc) and homosexuals in long-term-type relationships want long-term-type rights the same as heterosexuals. This is the same problem that has confronted the polygamous/polyamourous community for years...for instance Yemen (with whom we have treaties) recognises plural marriages as long as they are one man to plural women. What to do? Do we defer to our admittedly Christian-based government and deny it, or adhere to our secular nature and allow it? Of the languages proposed as the official state language of the US was Hebrew, Latin, and German, more or less in that order.... Do we then go back to the Hebrew religion and allow polygamy along with the killing of those who violate Shabbat? The US is that rebellious child that didn't really think about its political position before knee-jerk reacting to its parents' suggestions...
 

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  posted on 19/12/2003 at 08:08 AM
There is more to it than jsut marriage. Like women, (homo, hetero, or bi) male homosexuals are fighting for the "right" to housing, jobs, medical attention, right to assemble, etc. They are not fighting for special rights, just equal rights. IF you run with the idea that half the population is female (its a bit higher but the math is easier this way), 10 percent of men are "homosexual", and another 20% are "bi" then you have 80% of the population that is treated LEGALLY "worse" than the other 20%. Even if you do the math at just women and men that only have fulfilling sex with other men, that is still 60% of the population. nearly 2 out of 3.

There is at present no federal law that says that you cant refuse housing or a job to someone just because they are gay, divorced, female, or not Christian. (note this means that IF your "religious" beliefs say "hate gays" you can LEGALLY carry that over into the secular world.) There are many states that have enacted Equal rights laws for thier state, but it varies wildly by state. The Equal Rights Amendment (even the bit that just said women have rights) has yet to pass since it was introduced in 1973.

Yes 1973 was the first time an amendment went before the "law makers" to make it fundamentally illegal to deny a woman (50% of the US population) a job, housing, medical attention, legal aid, a voice in local governement, property ownership, prison conditions, due process, representation for taxation, etc.

I mention this because dispite the power structures attempts to make women hate thier son's (refusing womens rights because it would "open a door" for "gay" rights) women (gay or straight) and "gay" men are in the same boat and often work together.

 

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  posted on 19/12/2003 at 09:23 PM
The Evil AFA Agenda

Considering the AFA made thier decision that homosexuas are evil on what leviticus said must also be pro slavery. Sticupus I know you have a bible look up Lev 25:44
If this is not what the AFA got thier foundation on homosexuals on. Then I ask how do they know its evil?

At first I thought I was reading it out of context; then I read it a second time.

 

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  posted on 19/12/2003 at 09:29 PM
quote:
The Evil AFA Agenda

Considering the AFA made thier decision that homosexuas are evil on what leviticus said must also be pro slavery. Sticupus I know you have a bible look up Lev 25:44
If this is not what the AFA got thier foundation on homosexuals on. Then I ask how do they know its evil?

At first I thought I was reading it out of context; then I read it a second time.


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  posted on 19/12/2003 at 09:42 PM
ble quotes, and Christians are supposed to reject the laws of the Old Testament. And depending on which version you read it will say anything from "Lie with a man as with a woman" or "If you like the cock and you have one already" to the word "Homosexual" actually being in place of the "Man as with a woman quote". Who knows what it means translated into English (it's not the first language its been written in). Leviticus specifically and frankly talks about things from sex and ejaculation to sacrifices and stonning people to death. Why would such a condemming thing in Leviticus aganist homosexuals last merely a phrase long, and be so vague?
I know the quote and it isn't an excuse. The AFA are taking it out of context so they can be assholes.

[Edited on 12/20/2003 by Sticupus]

 

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  posted on 20/12/2003 at 05:38 PM
Y'know, the world would probably be a much better place if groups like this just minded their own damned business. The church has priests raping little kids, and they're concerned about what two consenting adults do in their own bedroom? Sheesh.

As long as it doesn't involve sexual assualt on children, I think people should be able to have whatever kind of relationships they deem best without getting a bunch of static from the government or hatemongers.

I'm not saying that people should run around, yelling, "lookit me! I'm hetero, and there's nto a damned thing you can do about it, so pbbbt!" What I am saying is that people should be able to engage in whatever lifestyle they choose in the privacy of their own homes, as long as it doesn't involve violating children.

By the way, the evil homosexual agenda goes well with the rest of the evil homosexual desk set, especially the evil homosexual pen and pencil set. I hear they sell very well on Ebay. *evil grin*

(sorry...I hear "agenda" and I think "dayplanner" )

 

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  posted on 20/12/2003 at 06:07 PM
Well, here is the problem with the AFA: They don't see a difference between homosexuality and pedophelia. To them it's the same exact thing because it doesn't follow the nuclear family construct. Anything that is different must be wrong.
And I have no problem if people want to tell the world if they are gay or straight or (whatever) publically. I think that's very positive to show interest and prride in one's sexuality. I also don't mind public affection one bit. I say good for them. I think it's a nice thing. Some things are ment for the bed room (like if you need equipment for it, you probably should do it in private) because there are laws out there, for obvious taste reasons, that don't let you do them in public. However, if it's self affirming and feels good- do it. Tell everyone you are gay, and wear too much tacky hemp rainbow jewlery. Show everyone pictures of your spouse and kids, and tell them how much you love them.
Being excited about your own love, happiness, and sexuality is not a private thing and I am insulted when people insist that it is.

 

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  posted on 20/12/2003 at 06:24 PM
Being excited about your own love, happiness, and sexuality doesn't need to be a private thing; however, one's sexuality is a private and personal choice(sort of, anyway), and one's personal choice is exactly that--a personal choice. No one has the right to tell anyone else whom they can or cannot love.

[Edited on 21/12/2003 by LadyCygnet]

 

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