Did you know the homosexuals have an agenda? I didn't. No one told me. Same
thing with all of the other gay people I know. These homosexuals (the kind
with the agenda) must live in caves or be kinda metaphysical or
something....
I'm hungry now.... (gasp! does that mean I have a homosexual agenda?)
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Devin
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posted on 17/12/2003 at 04:20 PM
That's the second time i've been directed to that site this week. Please
somebody tell me they're not real. I thought it was one of those satirical
sites like the onion or something, but i'm starting to think they're real.
I don't want to live in that world.
What?! You haven't all heard of the evil homosexual agenda underground?
You know, the "how to" for recruitment (because god forbid someone is BORN
that way!), how to make homophobics think they're your type by proxy of
their sex, tales from the kiddie snatchers, and the NAMBLA affiliation?
I simply don't know HOW you all find time to actually have relationships or
even sex at ALL with how busy you are on the network behind closed
doors......do tell.
And devin, nine times out of ten, the more absurd and stereotypical the
webpage, the more earnest it's creator.
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Starlight
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posted on 17/12/2003 at 08:48 PM
That site is so one-sided. They are only concerned with the evil
homosexuals out to convert straight people, but what about all the evil
straight people out there trying to convert gay people. It's unfair I tell
you...totally unfair.
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here's the problem... it is a gay mafia, not an agenda...
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Sticupus
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posted on 17/12/2003 at 10:42 PM
Oh the American Family Association is real. Those fuckers are creepy and
deicated too. It all has something to do with that fucker James Dobson,
raping psychology and science to its limits, head hunting for homosexuals,
and Colorad Springs. They've been around for years. They use the American
'Family' construct as a tool and sheild to hate gay people and ruin their
lives, saying they can "recover" or "change" and they have this paraniod
idea that gay people have an 'agenda' I guess exactly like how the people
of The Aryan Brotherhood feel that the Jews are out to take over the world.
Last time I checked, all gay people wanted was to get the 'god' out and
away of their freedoms, and the I've never heard of Jews plotting anything.
Except that one time, when I saw a bunch in this warehouse, they were
bathing in blood as a homosexual Jewish high preist screamed from a
platform about "The Final Solution Nouveau". But that could have been about
anything......
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Anya
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posted on 17/12/2003 at 10:59 PM
As much as I dislike heterosexuals trying to convert homosexuals, I dislike
it when homosexuals try to force heterosexuals to go with their life style.
People should be able to have their opinions, whether they are the same or
different with everyone else's. Just because a heterosexual thinks
homosexuality isn't right doesn't mean that they should be beat on...the
same goes for homosexuals thinking about heterosexuality.
Now, here is how I view homosexual issues... *digs out the article and
pastes it*
My Views on Homosexuality
People debate on whether or not homosexuals should have the same rights as
heterosexuals. While the lifestyle is more accepted compared to years ago,
there are still legal issues concerning the matter. For one, homosexuals
cannot get a marriage certificate in a lot of places. Secondly, they often
do not get the "living together" benefits as heterosexual couples. Then
there is the "don't ask, don't tell" rule in the military. The list goes
on.
I must say first off that I do not think highly of things done for
homophobic reasons. Also, I do not condone crimes against homosexuals. To
me, these things are done out of the feeling of insecurity about one's
sexual preference - to an extent. Long story cut short, I support
homosexual rights.
A lot of homophobic individuals out there use conservative religious and
cultural values as justification for hating homosexuals. They have the
right to consider it wrong if they do, but many go to the extremes of
forcing others to think like them. For one, enforcing homosexual rights
does not mean that the person has to become a homosexual. Two, not
everyone is of the same culture or religion, nor should they be forced to
be. No one is going to be alike.
In general, there are people that just dislike homosexuals - probably from
being raised in a family or society that scorns it. People must be taught
to hate. If not that, they probably fear being hit on or some other issue
having to do with insecurity. Again, just because one is homosexual does
not mean that heterosexuals should turn homosexual.
Now to the rights...
When I speak of homosexual marriage, I do not say that churches have to
approve of it. While I disagree with the belief that homosexuals are
unnatural and disgusting, I believe that the churches not wanting to
support the act have that right. However, America as a whole is not a
theocracy and thus, should not use religion or culture as an excuse to
exclude homosexual rights. Homosexuals should be allowed to marry in the
court or in other secular systems.
I also do not understand why homosexual couples cannot get the same "living
in" benefits as heterosexual couples. They are not even trying to get
married and still do not have as many rights! If we are supposed to avoid
prejudice in the American government, then this is an example of it not
doing it.
There are many more things that should be improved on homosexual rights,
but I think I made my point...
Now that I have clarified my stand in this argument, I want to point out
the things that I see on the other side of the fence. I notice that a
handful of homosexuals try to force people to like them or accept the act
as right. No one can force another to think "differently," just like one
cannot force "different" people to conform to common ways. One cannot make
someone understand, people must learn to understand themselves. Further
force makes more resistance and thus, more resentment. This can lead to
more flames being built up.
In other words, people must also set an example. Homosexuals must show
that they have a sense of responsibility, respect, can do things like
heterosexuals, and not fall to the bullying level of many homophobes. Some
homosexuals do fall to the bullying level, believe it or not. This does
not help the situation one bit.
callei
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posted on 18/12/2003 at 06:36 AM
I have the flu so pardon my total lack of cogency ok?
Homosexuality isnt a lifestyle.
"Clubbing" is a lifestyle. A percentage of the population, not dictated by
what chromosome mix they like in bed, lives in the clubs, wears the wild
clothes, and has oodles of sex (or trys to) all the time. How is it
different if they are "gay" or "straight" or "bi"?
"Yuppydom" is a lifestyle and strangely, it doesnt matter what sexual
partners you have, or what you do with those partners, just how much you
make and how you spend it.
"Recluse" and "Survivalist" are both lifesty;es and again, they have fuck
all to do with who you fuck.
Anf guess what? There is a homosexual agenda. There is a group of people
(male and female and a few inbetween) that work day and night to make it
safer for kids and adults to say no to abuse, hate, rape, and church "laws"
against women.
The "religious" right wing has reason to fear them, and fear them alot.
They made it "safe" for those men to come out and say that yes the preists
did molest them. They made it safer to say "i was raped" for both women and
men. They have fought for years and years to change laws so that children
have rights, like the right to leave a bad home situation, the right to
treatment for drug addiction, the right to not marry just cuz daddy says
so, and so on. They also made it safer for things like Shmeng to exist and
for Dev not to have to worry ALL the time about being shut down and thrown
in jail.
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Anya
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posted on 18/12/2003 at 08:10 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think that they are justified in more secular
systems. It's just that there's so many die-hards in there that're not
only trying to make the secular world safe, but are trying to force
church-goers to be like them and/or make their religion accept homosexuals.
I am in total disagreement with the conservative philosophy on
homosexuals, but I still think the people should keep whatever opinions
they have without getting anything shoved in their throat. As long as they
don't commit hate crimes, then they should be allowed to have their
opinions on homosexuals...I think a lot of them are insecure, but
nonetheless, they have the right to their opinion.
Just look at it this way: if we do not want them forcing us to conform to
their religion, then why should we force them to conform to our ways?
I think the government should give secular rights, but in turn, should let
people practice their religion as long as it doesn't involve hurting others
from prejudice. This isn't to say that liberal churches should go with the
conservative ones, but if the conservative ones do not want to allow
homosexuality on their grounds, then they have the right to dislike it...as
long as it's on their grounds that they're enforcing things on.
Just clarifying how I feel a bit more...I'm sure there's many who disagree
with me.
anya... I disagree completely... most homosexuals could give a flying rat
fuck if ringwing shitmonkey christian accepts or likes them... they would
be happy to avoid teh hatred... those that want to change the religions
aren't wanting to do it for any reason save for they ARE christian, etc...
Feral
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Anya
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posted on 18/12/2003 at 04:00 PM
While there are those who do not really care, I've also seen many that did
and I see some that still do. And yes, many that are fighting for the
rights in the church are Christian and there's some who are not but want to
fight for the rights to that extreme.
Like many die-hard conservatives, there are some members of the movement
who do go around and bully. I'm not holding that against the whole
movement, but for those who do that, I do not think it'll help
anything...hence the example part of the article.
The example part applies to many cases. People can only mention how
they're not bad to the people that're prejudice against them, prove it, and
then move on... them screaming at the biased individuals can lead to
preaching, which just pisses those people off.
Believe it or not, there are many homosexuals like that while there are
many who, as you said, do not care. I was referring to the ones that
exhibit the behavior that I described.
Rogue
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posted on 18/12/2003 at 10:19 PM
Okay, to add my tuppence to the mix. Most homosexuals want the same rights
afforded to a heterosexual couple of the same level of commitment. For
instance, the cohabitating homosexual couples want the same rights afforded
to the heterosexual couples of the same type...i.e. "life partner" rights.
As for marriages, that is covered as well. Under many international
treaties, marriages legal in one country are required to be recognised in
another...thus the problem with Canada. We have more close relations with
them than possibly any of our other bedpartners, but they have legalised
gay marriages and so we have to either recognise them or make a
constitutional amendment that violates international treaties. In short,
homosexuals in marriage-type relationships want marriage-type rights (such
as shared health insurance, etc) and homosexuals in long-term-type
relationships want long-term-type rights the same as heterosexuals. This
is the same problem that has confronted the polygamous/polyamourous
community for years...for instance Yemen (with whom we have treaties)
recognises plural marriages as long as they are one man to plural women.
What to do? Do we defer to our admittedly Christian-based government and
deny it, or adhere to our secular nature and allow it? Of the languages
proposed as the official state language of the US was Hebrew, Latin, and
German, more or less in that order.... Do we then go back to the Hebrew
religion and allow polygamy along with the killing of those who violate
Shabbat? The US is that rebellious child that didn't really think about
its political position before knee-jerk reacting to its parents'
suggestions...
callei
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posted on 19/12/2003 at 08:08 AM
There is more to it than jsut marriage. Like women, (homo, hetero, or bi)
male homosexuals are fighting for the "right" to housing, jobs, medical
attention, right to assemble, etc. They are not fighting for special
rights, just equal rights. IF you run with the idea that half the
population is female (its a bit higher but the math is easier this way), 10
percent of men are "homosexual", and another 20% are "bi" then you have 80%
of the population that is treated LEGALLY "worse" than the other 20%. Even
if you do the math at just women and men that only have fulfilling sex with
other men, that is still 60% of the population. nearly 2 out of 3.
There is at present no federal law that says that you cant refuse housing
or a job to someone just because they are gay, divorced, female, or not
Christian. (note this means that IF your "religious" beliefs say "hate
gays" you can LEGALLY carry that over into the secular world.) There are
many states that have enacted Equal rights laws for thier state, but it
varies wildly by state. The Equal Rights Amendment (even the bit that just
said women have rights) has yet to pass since it was introduced in 1973.
Yes 1973 was the first time an amendment went before the "law makers" to
make it fundamentally illegal to deny a woman (50% of the US population) a
job, housing, medical attention, legal aid, a voice in local governement,
property ownership, prison conditions, due process, representation for
taxation, etc.
I mention this because dispite the power structures attempts to make women
hate thier son's (refusing womens rights because it would "open a door" for
"gay" rights) women (gay or straight) and "gay" men are in the same boat
and often work together.
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Anonymous
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posted on 19/12/2003 at 09:23 PM
The Evil AFA Agenda
Considering the AFA made thier decision that homosexuas are evil on what
leviticus said must also be pro slavery. Sticupus I know you have a bible
look up Lev 25:44
If this is not what the AFA got thier foundation on homosexuals on. Then I
ask how do they know its evil?
At first I thought I was reading it out of context; then I read it a second
time.
dead-cell
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posted on 19/12/2003 at 09:29 PM
quote: The Evil AFA
Agenda
Considering the AFA made thier decision that homosexuas are evil on what
leviticus said must also be pro slavery. Sticupus I know you have a bible
look up Lev 25:44
If this is not what the AFA got thier foundation on homosexuals on. Then I
ask how do they know its evil?
At first I thought I was reading it out of context; then I read it a second
time.
Aarrgghh!!! That was me. I swear I was logged in, at least I thought I was.
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myself: "Didn't you see my rainbow pin?"
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Sticupus
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posted on 19/12/2003 at 09:42 PM
ble quotes, and Christians are supposed to reject the laws of the Old
Testament. And depending on which version you read it will say anything
from "Lie with a man as with a woman" or "If you like the cock and you have
one already" to the word "Homosexual" actually being in place of the "Man
as with a woman quote". Who knows what it means translated into English
(it's not the first language its been written in). Leviticus specifically
and frankly talks about things from sex and ejaculation to sacrifices and
stonning people to death. Why would such a condemming thing in Leviticus
aganist homosexuals last merely a phrase long, and be so vague?
I know the quote and it isn't an excuse. The AFA are taking it out of
context so they can be assholes.
[Edited on 12/20/2003 by Sticupus]
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LadyCygnet
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posted on 20/12/2003 at 05:38 PM
Y'know, the world would probably be a much better place if groups like this
just minded their own damned business. The church has priests raping
little kids, and they're concerned about what two consenting adults do in
their own bedroom? Sheesh.
As long as it doesn't involve sexual assualt on children, I think people
should be able to have whatever kind of relationships they deem best
without getting a bunch of static from the government or hatemongers.
I'm not saying that people should run around, yelling, "lookit me! I'm
hetero, and there's nto a damned thing you can do about it, so pbbbt!"
What I am saying is that people should be able to engage in whatever
lifestyle they choose in the privacy of their own homes, as long as it
doesn't involve violating children.
By the way, the evil homosexual agenda goes well with the rest of the evil
homosexual desk set, especially the evil homosexual pen and pencil set. I
hear they sell very well on Ebay. *evil grin*
(sorry...I hear "agenda" and I think "dayplanner" )
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Sticupus
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posted on 20/12/2003 at 06:07 PM
Well, here is the problem with the AFA: They don't see a difference between
homosexuality and pedophelia. To them it's the same exact thing because it
doesn't follow the nuclear family construct. Anything that is different
must be wrong.
And I have no problem if people want to tell the world if they are gay or
straight or (whatever) publically. I think that's very positive to show
interest and prride in one's sexuality. I also don't mind public affection
one bit. I say good for them. I think it's a nice thing. Some things are
ment for the bed room (like if you need equipment for it, you probably
should do it in private) because there are laws out there, for obvious
taste reasons, that don't let you do them in public. However, if it's self
affirming and feels good- do it. Tell everyone you are gay, and wear too
much tacky hemp rainbow jewlery. Show everyone pictures of your spouse and
kids, and tell them how much you love them.
Being excited about your own love, happiness, and sexuality is not a
private thing and I am insulted when people insist that it is.
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LadyCygnet
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posted on 20/12/2003 at 06:24 PM
Being excited about your own love, happiness, and sexuality doesn't need to
be a private thing; however, one's sexuality is a private and personal
choice(sort of, anyway), and one's personal choice is exactly that--a
personal choice. No one has the right to tell anyone else whom they can or
cannot love.
[Edited on 21/12/2003 by LadyCygnet]
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