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Author: Subject: File swapping and the RIAA

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  posted on 30/4/2003 at 02:34 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/mc/20030430/ tc_mc/recording_industry_warns_file_swappers_via_im

Any thoughts? Should file swapping be closed down because of the record industies fear of losing money? Should file swapping stay online and force the record industry to lower cd prices, maybe...produce some original music for once?

 

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  posted on 30/4/2003 at 03:27 PM
*reads the warning message*

...

*laughs his file-swapping head off*
This is so ridiculous! 'Please mr. napster-user, please don't download songs... It makes my executive salary sooo much lower! Pretty please?'

Psh! File swapping should be here to stay! Screw the recording companies! A music group doesn't need them! Whatever happened to travelling musicians! I'd love to have Green Day in my house. I'd feed them and such if they played for me...
I don't think lower cd prices would affect piracy, unless they went -really- low.

Maybe it -would- force them to produce original music...

File-sharing forever!

 

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  posted on 30/4/2003 at 06:05 PM
File sharing isn't going anywhere. People have been file sharing since the net was invented. I remember sharing porn over a 14.4 modem before there were porn sites. Yes really, there was a time before porn sites. The files just keep getting bigger as connections get faster. People are sharing movies already. You can usually see a movie before it comes out in theaters if you know where to look. They can only shut down the centralized file sharing services like napster and kazaa - the peer to peer ones just have too many people to try and sue. And if they start trying, people will just go back to sharing on IRC like in the olden days.

The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

 

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  posted on 30/4/2003 at 08:27 PM
The movie industry also freaked out when VCRs came out, because they had a "record" button on them to allow people to record tv programs and whatnot, and because you could hook two up and record taped movies. They said that people would tape movies and sell/give them to friends and cut their profits from actual video tape sales, which is what we did of course *lol* , who wouldn't of course? and the fact that video tapes were friggin expensive back then too. (by 1980's standards anyway...)

I also remember when CD's came out....big fat bulky packaging and quite pricey. The companies said that they'd cut the packaging amount and that would lower the cost. They cut the packaging, and the fucking things STILL cost about the same!
Point being, it doesn't matter how much they can cut their own cost on a product, all that matters is if they can cut a cost on a product which will result in higher profits for THEMSELVES. We all know that 99.9% of the time the person that makes the most money off music sales ARE NOT the musicians, but the labels...so I can understand a musician being peeved over mass sharing of their songs for free because let's face it, every little bit counts...but let's also understand that metallica as a collective was being a shitty little bitch over the whole fucking matter. There were other large name rich musicians that had NO problem with their music being "shared" on places such as napster because they had ENOUGH money. ANd on a positive side, getting songs for "free" could actually INCREASE CD sales, because you can sample and hear new musicians or music from new CD's before you buy it, and make you want to go get it.
Because face it, if I had a connection that could download songs fast enough to make it worth my while, I would, but I'd also go out and BUY the CD because I like to have the actual product. A lot of people do.

Whether it's "pirating" video tapes (and now DVD's) or sharing music or movie files online, it's always gonna happen and it's never going to stop, and it's not half as bad as crybaby movie/music label execs make it out to be. Goes to show they aren't about the art, it's about how much money they can make off of it.

Lowering CD costs like they SAID they were going to do about 10 years ago would probably cut the amount of "sharing" out there, but it wouldn't stop it. Apparently most of the internet geeks out there attended that day in kindergarten, and learned well

 

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  posted on 1/5/2003 at 02:48 AM
Is there even any legal basis for shutting file sharing services down? I mean, it's not the services themselves that violate copyrights but the users. As we all know - thanks to the work of another lobby - it's not the gun that kills...

The prices demanded for a single CD are way too high. I understand perfectly that independent labels may have to keep them on that level to cover their own costs and I'm willing to pay the sum if the music's only good but what are the excuses of Virgin or Warner?

 

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  posted on 1/5/2003 at 04:59 PM
Remy: WHOAH! You're right! That is such a kickass argument! (referring to the anti-gun-control argument...)

"File-sharing teenagers don't make musicians poor. Tight-fisted executives do."
I want that on a bumper sticker!

 

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  posted on 1/5/2003 at 05:16 PM
If I hear a band i really like, i'll download the song i heard, then like 3 other random songs of the album... if they're good i buy the CD. If it weren't for filesharing a lot of bands (well, their labels) wouldn't have my 20 bucks

 

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  posted on 3/5/2003 at 04:08 PM
its stupid. even if they shut down kazaa and napster, people will still file share
 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 03:00 AM
Give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's.

 

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  posted on 10/7/2003 at 03:49 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=529&ncid=52 9&e=4&u=/ap/20030710/ap_en_mu/britain_cd_piracy_3

I really like these comments.

"Shouldn't they be starving artists?
by: a_useless_troll 07/10/03 06:11 pm
Msg: 104 of 160

not living in a multimillion $$ mansion??"

"Greed
by: stunna1bg 07/10/03 06:26 pm
Msg: 194 of 225

I think CD's cost too much first of all. Secondly, what do any of these artist do for the commuinity except show off. I don't care who has the most cars or the most houses. What I care about is who actually is helping people through their talents. I think artist get paid too much to do too little. Police, firefighters, and teachers should get paid more because they actually do something besides sing a damn tune."

"The average artist makes $.50 per CD
by: spooky11112003 07/10/03 06:22 pm
Msg: 166 of 297
1 recommendation

sold. The record company eats up the profits. ALL artists make their real money from touring."

"World's exciting potential markets
by: agesilaj 07/10/03 06:12 pm
Msg: 116 of 298
1 recommendation

"This report should be a wake-up call to governments on the massive damage that music piracy is causing to their economies, their cultures and their international reputations,"


Yeah, people of China, South East Asia , Eastern Europe ... would be delighted to pay 20$ instead of 1$."

"Ever notice.
by: cybermyth1 (23/M/Jackson CA) 07/10/03 06:02 pm
Msg: 47 of 206

That the only time they complain about their ART being stolen is when they take a hit in the wallet.

I'll respect the industry when the industry respects me."

I do see some cds go on sale for $9.99 when they first come out. That's a big step towards fixing the problem but it's too little too late. File-swapping is the ideal way to trade music and many people won't go back to paying for something which they can get for free.

Put in the fact that there is so much shit music on the markets/ marketing blitz and you've still got a large problem on your hands.

 

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  posted on 10/7/2003 at 04:14 PM
At the end of the day, there will ALWAYS be filesharing as long as the big ol' WWW is alive and kickin'! There is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it... short of closing down the internet completely which in todays society is impossible due to the huge amount of revenue it generates for all kinds of people worldwide and the sheer amount of communication it allows....

Also, any of the REAL fans of the bands etc will go out and buy the CD's regardless of whether they have the songs on their computers at home, just so that they can say that they have the real article! But as far as the musicians go... most of them have their millions stashed away in various bank accounts and they shouldn't need to have money as their drive because they're doing something that they enjoy! It's not as if they and their families are going to starve just because a few people downloaded their latest album now is it!?

anyway, thats my 2cents as it were...

AND LONG LIVE FILESHARING!!!

 

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  posted on 11/7/2003 at 06:57 AM
I always find it amusing when people justify their theivery by saying things like, "their rich" or "they have too much money" or some other type of nonesense.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2003 at 09:34 AM
"I remember sharing porn over a 14.4 modem before there were porn sites" - Devin

I'm so sorry, but for some reason that reminded me. Does anyone else remember ASCII porn?




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Wow that took forever to hack into shape. Sorta like the old days in that too.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2003 at 09:41 AM
OMG that is TOO funny! I totally remember ascii porn. Damm I'm old. Yes kids, we didn't always have color monitors - or even graphical monitors. Once upon a time it was just text.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2003 at 05:32 PM
Christ that reminds me of mdos shell in early 90' was it? I remember my brother showing off ASCII "art" but never of porn (heh, I'm only 20).

 

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