Starlight
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 11:52 PM |
Volunteer veterinarians, etc. could have given the chickens "euthanasia
injections", but it would have incredibly time consuming.
So the next option, cyanide-filled (or other quick acting gas) airtight
chamber or chambers with the chickens brought in in groups.
The long term option. Stop factory farming altogether. (I do sometimes
write letters and emails to ask companies, and government commisions, etc.
to help stop animal abuse.) ____________________
"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
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bettie_x
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posted on 16/4/2003 at 12:05 AM |
OOO you send death threats to McDonald's and the Farm Commission
too????!!!!
*wink*
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Starlight
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posted on 16/4/2003 at 12:09 AM |
| Don't forget KFC too *wiggles her eyebrows and winks back* ____________________
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never
tried before." ~Mae West
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MystryssRavynDarque
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posted on 16/4/2003 at 10:01 AM |
| This article reminds me of a show I watched on the Public Access channel
one nite. It was a show on vegeterianism and they happened to show a 5
minute clip of the butchers in a large factory killing chickens. The
murderers would grab the chickens out of their cages and then bend the
chickens head back and quickly, with one swift flick of the wrist, slice
the chickens neck. The chickens were then either tossed head first into
cylindrical container, or tossed into a machine that looked very similar to
a wood chipper. The other accomplice in the murder then grabbed the
chickens out of that machine and hang them by their feet on a conveyor
track. The chickens would then ride out into another room. One even fell,
he had been hanging by one leg, and was still alive. The butcher went and
grabbed the chicken and slit its throat again. ____________________
"People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell
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VampCourt
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posted on 16/4/2003 at 12:21 PM |
| Ugh.. -gag- factory farms make me want to puke. if not the death part, the
part where animals laying around in shit and puke and disease all day. ____________________
"Thou shalt not be afraid of the dark, nor of graveyards nor ghosts nor the
devil, for thou art scarey and mean." -The Goth commandments
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Anonymous
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posted on 16/4/2003 at 01:52 PM |
hmmm...never seen a llama eat chicken before.
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bettie_x
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posted on 16/4/2003 at 07:55 PM |
I probably would not have half the problem I do with meat and animal
product consumption if factory farms did not exsist. I still would be
vegan, I still would dislike the fact that people eat meat, but I wouldn't
be so fucking outraged, disgusted, and angry as I am over the matter. And
I still stand by the fact that if everyone had to kill their dinner, they
would stop eating meat. Because THEN they would have to see beyond the
billboards in the supermarket displaying happy animals in green fields that
are overjoyed to be cut up, cleaned, dyed, and placed in handy sterile
conscience friendly plastic containers.
I just spent a good deal of time giving examples of what factory farms do,
but really, it won't do any good and it won't make a difference. If anyone
cares, look it up. It's not hype, it's a disgusting reality. Take a
little responsibility in what you eat. ____________________
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Meranda_Jade
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posted on 16/4/2003 at 09:31 PM |
not everybody... I know I can kill my own dinner, after it has spent a
happy year in a green field, and Yes, I will pet the animal! I will name
it, and I will pay it homage at dinnertime... and thank it for giving its
life for mine... and I will have fresh new leather clothes in the bargain..
but yeah, factory farms are nasty and awful. damn unsanitary places, that
sell tainted meat... if any of you had ever tasted fresh, raw cow... you'd
search for a nice small family farm to sell some livestock to you... right
now, the only farm product we get are duck and goose eggs from a farmer who
brings them in where Rogue works... the ducks and geese are free-range and
lay an excellent breakfast... and the shells make nice ornaments and
cups... and they're all-natural... and very yummy. make the best banana
bread...
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bettie_x
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posted on 16/4/2003 at 10:11 PM |
now now dollface I didn't say all, and MOST people didn't grow up on farms
that treated their animals well like you and a few others did 
Like I said, my main, fermenting, venomous gripe is with factory farms,
period.
I might even keep my mouth shut most of the time on the subject if they
didn't exist....but well, I'd have to sometimes because then I just
wouldn't be the club wielding vegan of doom if I didn't *lol* ____________________
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VampCourt
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posted on 16/4/2003 at 11:00 PM |
| as you should be hun, i mean for christs sake.. they treat those animals
like they have NO NERVE ENDINGS WHATSO EVER... feck. (referring to factory
farms) ____________________
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the
devil, for thou art scarey and mean." -The Goth commandments
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Meranda_Jade
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posted on 17/4/2003 at 04:41 AM |
Uh-huh... it's the way the factory farms are run that's got to change.
Quite honestly, if there were no factory farms, it would be a lot harder
to get a dozen eggs at your grocery store. A lot of people would have a
very limited food supply, because they couldn't get meat and eggs... they
would have no idea how to get that protein.. and if all the animals in
bondage were liberated and sent to live in the wild, there would be an
awful lot of fat happy predators running around. and then they'd have a
bounty put on them and be killed by the hundreds. horrible, ain't it? Now,
what needs to happen is the food inspectors need to do their jobs and not
take bribes to look the other way. The processing needs to be done more
slowly and carefully, and the animals need to be well-taken care of instead
of just left to rot in a feed lot. the revolution needs to be about
changing the system, not abolishing it altogether...
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bettie_x
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posted on 17/4/2003 at 12:45 PM |
Right, and the reason there is such a hellish demand for those products is
because of a few reasons (these are examples encompasing the general
public, if it doesn't pertain to you, then don't get upset because I'm not
referring to you):
1) the amount in which people consume such products daily
2) the massive population growth the world (especially our country) has
seen the the last 40 years
3) the demand to feed that massive population growth on a diet that has
increasingly become psychologically dependent on massive amounts of those
products daily (not in moderation)
4) the demand for those same products at the cheapest price available
(animal welfare be damned and even be damned to the financial stability of
the person who cares for them)
Control of our OWN population is where to start, and the population that
exists now to practice the simple act of moderating the sheer amount of
animal products they consume daily.
I live in a dream world where tho not every single person will be
vegetarian, but where people are moderate and reasonable in their
consumption of said products, and where yes, factory farms do not exist.
Because they would be unnecessary. If everyone that consumed animal
products cut back even a little every day (or take the next step and go a
little or a lot out of your way to attain these products from non factory
farms or from grocery chains that are not supplied by factory farms), it
would decrease the demand SERIOUSLY. This drop in the bucket for each
individual would have an impact that would be widespread. With a decrease
in population growth that could slow or stop the growth in urban sprawl and
giant cities, there would be less of a need for gigantic chain grocery
stores to feed those urban masses that are supplied by factory farms, and a
decrease of the demands wraught apon the animals in their "care".
It's not just a "revolution" on the behalf of the "lower" species that I
ask for (and I do ask for so much *lol*) but one on behalf of every person
that lives and breathes on this massively overpopulated and helplessly
polluted planet that is very close to being unable to support life for much
longer.
Right how, here today, at this very minute, you are right maranda. Reform
of the system is the first step to take, and hopefully it will not simply
stop there, but right now that is the way to begin. A massive, sudden
overhaul will not work. It would have to be a slow process, and it is more
than certain that I will not see it anytime in MY lifetime, but I'm okay
with that.
It is already evident in such food chains as Safeway and McDonald's, who
under pressure from PeTA and supporting boycots and public actions have
lead to their agreement to no longer sell animal products that come from
producers that abuse or mistreat their animals. They have turned to their
suppliers and in turn made legal agreements that they will be subject to
random inspections of their facilities and processing plants and should any
sign of neglect, abuse, or torture be evident, they would sever their
contract with that supplier immediately and give that contract to a
different supplier.
That is a massive step in the 'right' direction. A spokeswoman from PeTA
said "It is a massive victory for animal rights everywhere. Tho the
animals are still being killed, these corporations have stepped up to the
plate to do the right thing and improve their quality of life. It's a
small step, but definitely a good one. They have our respect".
And they have mine too. ____________________
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Starlight
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posted on 17/4/2003 at 07:13 PM |
Wonderfully said Bettie.
I belong to Peta (along with several other animal rights organizations
*lol*) and they send out stickers and small message inserts for members to
put on and in letters and bills,etc. The stickers and inserts deal with the
issue of animal circuses, fur wearing, trying vegetarianism, and of course
factory farming. I think that putting the stickers on letters seems to get
the messages out to at least those who directly handle that letter. It may
be only for a moment, but at least they've gotten exposed. I had thought
that my family members had been ignoring the little inserts in their
letters and cards until the other day...when I actually had someone say
they carry one of the inserts that I sent them in their wallet now. It was
a nice feeling. ____________________
"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've
never
tried before." ~Mae West
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bettie_x
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posted on 17/4/2003 at 08:16 PM |
That's a good idea of them and all that, but I tend to be a sort of "if you
wanna know, I'll tell you, but you probably won't like it" person when it
comes down to it.
Don't get me wrong, you are right that even if it's only absorbed for a
moment by one person, it might be enough to get them to look into it
themselves.
I've also discovered a phenomena in my town recently...and mind you it's a
(or was) a very small town run by old people and people were pretty much of
one type....truck, meat, potatoes, dirt. This new phenomena? VEGAN
TEENAGERS. A LOT OF THEM.
I was a vegetarian my last years of highschool, and when anyone said
anything and I'd tell them I was vegetarian, they'd look at me and ask what
kind of cult that was *lol* I was in the Fred Meyer (all hail fred meyer
and it's ever expanding organic/veggie/vegan health food isles) and I saw A
LOT of kids buying boca burgers and soy ice cream and whatnot, and MORE
than a few wearing PeTA and VEGAN Tshirts. A girl I work with actually
went to the same school I did (she was in 8th grade when I graduated so we
never met until now) and she lives in the same area I do, and she's a
vegan, and has informed me that a LOT of her friends from highschool are
vegan too. NOT vegetarian, but VEGAN. It tripped me out big time. I
overheard two boys in the same store bickering over what candy to buy, and
then one said "No we don't want THAT one, it's got GELATIN in it!" to which
the other boy put it back and said "EW".
I swear I thought I'd stumbled into an alternate universe.
ANd it's seriously making me reconsider my dream of opening up a
vegan/vegetarian restaurant in the area. There's a spot near the
highschool even that just vacated.
If anyone wins the lottery and wants to make me REAL happy, I could use
some startup money *wink* but then again it'd probably be more profitable
to go start searching for govt. grants! ____________________
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VampCourt
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posted on 17/4/2003 at 09:01 PM |
| Holy shite.. vegan teens. whodah thunk it? ____________________
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devil, for thou art scarey and mean." -The Goth commandments
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bettie_x
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posted on 18/4/2003 at 11:06 AM |
| No shit that's what I said. And it wasn't just a few, it was QUITE a few.
And I'm not talking little hipsters or even little punkrock kids, or even
little hippies, they were just average small townish teenagers...wearing
vegan t shirts. Made my goddamn day. ____________________
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VampCourt
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posted on 18/4/2003 at 01:33 PM |
| Yah that really rules. I mean gawd if i knew then what i know now.. ya
know? ____________________
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bettie_x
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posted on 18/4/2003 at 03:55 PM |
yeah, hindsight is 20/20 and all that.
But now I can plainly see why I was so friggin fat and tired and sick and
unhappy.
Drive throughs, fast foods, easy dinners (not just meat, but it always
involved a good size piece of meat). My favorite thing in the world was
steak...big fat steak. I would have eaten steak every day for the rest of
my life if I could have, and things like bbQ ribs and MEAT MEAT MEAT!
Since Burger King whoppers were cheap, that was my lunch every day on my
way to college (I did that fantastic running start bit halleluja). A
whopper every day. EVERY DAY.
When I started learning about vegetarianism and stopped eating meat, my
energy level soared, the pounds dropped off (60lbs in about 8 months), my
skin cleared up, and I wasn't always sick to my stomach. If I had learned
about veganism earlier, I honestly think I would have been a much happier,
healthier person than I was.
But I"m okay with simply having the knowledge now, and I'm REALLY glad that
so many kids have taken an interest in it. ____________________
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Abbadon
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posted on 19/4/2003 at 04:29 AM |
How long does it take to wring 30,000 chickens' necks?
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