EvilCheeseMan
Coward Posts: 7 Registered: 10/7/2006 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/7/2006 at 04:24 PM |
ACK! I jsut realized something; I COULD BE MULTIPOSTED!!!!!!
NOOOOOOO..............
I have a good thesis!
According to Word, it's a 6.9 reading level!
I used proper spelling!
Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaseeeeeeeee don't multi post
meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee................
Then again, I could have not been briliant enough. I kinda wrote this for
'budding gothilings' who swear everyone 'hates' them. My reasearch turned
up MANY interesting sites and then it kinda turned into a sortta self-help
essay on do 'goths' have any real 'fuel' for their basis of the phrase
'everyone hates goths'? I concluded, not really. Certain groups hate
'goths' but most of them hate everyone else........damnit gtg. Ill finish
this later. I got a 9 month old screaming at me. ____________________
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Starlight
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 618 Registered: 27/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 28/8/2006 at 02:04 AM |
Feral, I think it's probably some sort of reinforcement of their own
comfort zones. I've never really taken comments about sterilization of the
stupid as anything other than gospel. The other possibility is that they
envision a teddy bear as a somewhat unstable, unpredictable force to be
reckoned with while at the same time someone they want to cuddle up with at
night ____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
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Starlight
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 618 Registered: 27/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 28/8/2006 at 02:02 AM |
Feral, I think it's probably some sort of reinforcing of their own comfort
zones. I've never really taken comments about sterilazation of the stupid
as anything other than gospel. The other possibility is that they envision
a teddy bear as a somewhat unstable, unpredictable force to reckoned with
while at the same time someone they want to cuddle up with at night. ____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've
never
tried before." ~Mae West
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Anotherlostdog
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posted on 27/8/2006 at 09:56 PM |
I deffinitely agree with your views on truth, i personally have spent the
last year attempting to refine my own label to simply know myself, and i
must admit that along the way i have come to face truths about myself that
in the past i have adamantly denied. reality can be completely changed by
ones perception of what is around him or her, but the concept and imminent
presence of truth is not altered in anyway or form, only accepted or
ignored. And that is where i think some begin to use defences, when they
run away from truth, to alter their perception of reality and thus
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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 8/8/2006 at 06:28 AM |
I guess perhaps everyone is just reinforcing their comfortable little
realities? Or worse yet...they're busting a commandment of somesuch and
casting you in the image of what they believe you should be. Regardless,
truth is anathemic to well being and mental stability. I mean this in
regards to Truth and not Fact, fact can usually be taken pretty
well...truth is a different monster all together, mebbe it's just a
protective reflex.
I get something like this occasionally myself, and can only state that its
frustrating as hell. ____________________ In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/8/2006 at 01:48 PM |
all I have to ask is this... why do people assume I wear a mask? why do
people assume that I am speking metaphorically or as a figure of speech
when I say I believe in sterilization of stupid people?
why are people scared of others who pose no threat, but when it comes to
me..when I tell them honestly I am a sociopath...they rebell against the
idea and refuse tob elieve what I know to be truth ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 6/8/2006 at 06:59 AM |
Otherfuckers.
I am so stealing that word...it's got so very many applicable uses, holy
crap.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 1/8/2006 at 02:17 AM |
If Feral is a bear, then I doubt he is one of the teddy variety.
Labels are humanity's way of sorting out the world. Intelligent, thinking
people know that their fellow humans rarely fit a label neatly, and thus
hold the label lightly, and use it only to use past experience to predict
the behavior of a person recently met. I.e., a goth is likely to act a
certain way, a punk another way, and adult one way, a child, a customer, a
redneck, a firefighter - we all use this method to help sort through the
barrage of new information life throws at us every moment.
An intelligent person will continue to refine his labels as more
information on the subject pours in. He is flexible enough to allow for
this, until the subject reaches the designation of "known", when it begins
to be merely thought of as "Rob", "Amanda", "Michael", or what have you.
During this process, he may be surprised to note that the subject does not
fulfill the stereotype of its label, such as discovering a goth laughing at
a good joke, but Mr. Intelligent is not thrown by this, and in fact is
often much more intrigued by such a person than one that fulfills the norm
of its label.
However, the ignorant and mentally lazy will always become uptight when
confronted with people who do not fit neatly within a convenient label,
because this forces them to think. And thinking is hard.
But why worry about them? Let them get their panties in a wad over the
fact that you've mentally challenged them. Unless they're carrying billy
clubs, then they are the ones that are losing out by rejecting all but the
perfectly conforming. And yes, the intellectually agile may be few and far
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gothicmorman
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posted on 31/7/2006 at 10:57 PM |
Sardonic-Pain - I think you have to specify which type of label you mean,
for poor FeralBear's sake.
True, you can't stop other people from stereotyping you in their minds, but
you don't have to care. What does it really matter if they stereotype you
in their minds? Hell, what does it really matter if they stereotype you out
loud? What I find most viscious is what people do to themselves over it.
It's pretty easy for someone to be themselves, it's one of those "the
harder you try the more you fail" kind of things. You are you no matter
what they want to think first glance, what does it matter? If they are
going to be prejeduced against some stereotype of you that they made up by
looking at you once, they probably arn't the kind of people that would be
great to hang around with anyway. *shrug*
What does it really matter all in all? nuttin. |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 31/7/2006 at 08:23 PM |
but you are labeled... you are a daughter, possibly a sister... human,
female, sentient and a mamal... you are intelligent and questing, and you
are a thinker... you have labels... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Sardonic-Pain
Fanatic Posts: 248 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 31/7/2006 at 06:53 PM |
I agree to a degree.... I personally don't lable myself as anything or at
least try not to...I'm simply me. What I guess I was getting at is no
matter how hard I try to be "me" upon first glance, someone is gonna lable
me as a "freak","Goth","punk" whatever- and there really is no way to
escape that...As humans we label, stuff, some more than others.
Everyone has a different perspective on the meaning of said labels as
well.... it is a viscious cycle- I do however get your point. ____________________ My Life is like a porno-Without the sex-Just the weird music |
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gothicmorman
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posted on 31/7/2006 at 01:51 PM |
First off Feral Teddy picture and the Search (in case you like any of the other results better.
quote: labels are the worst, and
unfortunately we can not escape them, it's the way of things.
I'm pretty sure it isn't. North American culture at large is label-centric,
so it is the way of a lot of happenings these days but it doesn't have to
be. Labels are a bred part of culture as opposed to a natural part.
But I suppose it is partly what kind of labels we are speaking of. As Feral
pointed out without labels like cat and dog or man and woman it would be
difficult to communicate. Now as far as I am concerned things like man and
woman or animal and human are name type labels. The main point of
discussion here is stereotypical labels. The problem with stereotypic
labels being, of course, that they stereotype. A person can wear many
labels as far as personality and style go, and stereotypical labels are
really just labels to describe a group of name labels. One stereotypical
label forces the entire group of labels on a person which can't be correct
for pretty obvious reasons.
But back to the main point, being it's not really "the way it is" and it's
not actually that difficult to "escape it". Personally I don't believe in
simply laying down and accepting defeat, especially over something so
trivial as stereotypes. It's only "the way it is" as long as people keep it
that way. It's actually pretty easy to completely ignore the whole thing.
It's all a big joke really, and one day the label and stereotypes will
become so overused that they will cease to mean anything really at all.
Just look at the latest fad with "Emo" I don't think I know two people who
can agree on what this word actually means, aside from the very few that
know its a genre of punk music kind of like crust but with slightly more
emotional lyrics.
The Ultimate solution to the whole thing being to speak softly and carry a
beagle.
Or just ignore and carry on your merry way. Because while everyone else is
running around worrying about labels and how they look to other people, you
will actually use less muscles dressing in things that you find
comfortable, and shrugging when they ask what you "are" than you will
worrying about it or trying to fit the square block through the circle
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 24/7/2006 at 12:42 PM |
labels are a necessary part of the human existence
at the most basic we have the instinctual... human or animal (fuckabble -
not fuckable)
a little higher up... preference... Man - woman... and based on sexuality
from there a fuckable or unfuckable label there too... but also mother,
father... expectation
the human condition is firmly rooted in communications... adn without
labels ..FOR EVERYTHING... we have no way to communicate... car, dog,
turtle, lips, poser, goth, cynic...
Kirkegarde said "if you label me, you negate me." but honestly... the only
ones without a label are lost...
LAbel me and make my label memorable ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Sardonic-Pain
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posted on 24/7/2006 at 08:09 AM |
labels are the worst, and unfortunately we can not escape them, it's the
way of things. i apologize for not getting your hot topic joke, so on and
so forth....like in the movie SLC Punk he says "In the end I was nothing
but a trendy ass poser." as well as something to the effect of you can do
more damage in the system than outside it, which both of those things i
feel are rather profound.
Anywho, I have no idea where I was planning on taking this, but I hope to
see you around more often.....
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/7/2006 at 06:39 PM |
teddy bear? what kind of horrific sadistic parents did you have?
or..have you read my writing? I mean, it is entirely possible that you hav
eme mistaken for another person... either way ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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EvilCheeseMan
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posted on 23/7/2006 at 05:40 PM |
quote: i completely agree with
you Meranda- at some point we all kinda come off as bumbling idiots, in all
honestly who are you trying to impress? you really don't have to impress
anyone around here. I've been around this site now for god knows how long,
and I fell that it has helped me see the light, so to speak, its just great
to be able to converse with like minded souls, goth or not, i'm telling you
hot topic receipts don't make you goth, black doesn't make you goth, its a
mind state, a state of being if you will. *remembers an article written by
Callei, something about wearing lime green*........
Let me start out by saying that the state I live in is Delaware and the
people here are analy obssesed with labels. I just cannot be a 'human
being' I have to be punk, goth, prep, wigger, redneck, ect. I have
to be a label. Which is completely asinine in my eyes. I don't care about
labels. Hell, I want a pair of siscors to cut them all off, metaphoricly
speaking.
Sadly, my friend Brian is one of those people. He tries so hard to be the
label of 'goth' that it's annoying. He'll dress to go out and say, 'Do I
look gothy enough? Is there enough chains?'. It gets old REAL fast.
Anyway, the only reason I typed the dreaded G-word is because I wrote the
essay for the little teenyboppers in my Mall and on the website forums I go
to, and that's the only word they seem to understand. I honastly hate the
word. It's conjures up so many bad images of immaturity in my mind. Someone
on this site said something to the fact of, 'Why label yourself? That means
if you call yourself a certain type of group, you cannot enjoy anything
that does not come from said sub-culture.' Which I totaly agree with.
You may have missinterpreted me. The thing about the Hot Topic Recipts was
a joke. It was a stab at the people who think just because they shop at a
certain store, they're automatically a certain genre. And there are a lot
down here in good ol' lower, slower Delaware.
Long rant short, come to Delaware, hang out at the Dover Mall and you'll
see what I mean. You'll also see why inbreeding is a bad thing.
quote: Anyways, I only hope that
you can take the journey here and use the resources available to grow as a
person and not as a "Goth" cause thats what it really is about, not the
gothness or who is gothier than who, but realize we are all just people who
want to interact with people....whether we agree on the same things or not,
we still love and care for eachother as if we were all one big
dysfucntional family......
Welcome to Shmeng........
TY for the welcome... ____________________
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Sardonic-Pain
Fanatic Posts: 248 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/7/2006 at 05:18 PM |
you mean Feral? your big teddy bear! ____________________ My Life is like a porno-Without the sex-Just the weird music |
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feralucce
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posted on 23/7/2006 at 07:46 AM |
guess I'll just go back to bein mean then...lol ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Sardonic-Pain
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posted on 22/7/2006 at 06:04 PM |
i completely agree with you Meranda- at some point we all kinda come off as
bumbling idiots, in all honestly who are you trying to impress? you really
don't have to impress anyone around here. I've been around this site now
for god knows how long, and I fell that it has helped me see the light, so
to speak, its just great to be able to converse with like minded souls,
goth or not, i'm telling you hot topic receipts don't make you goth, black
doesn't make you goth, its a mind state, a state of being if you will.
*remembers an article written by Callei, something about wearing lime
green*........
Anyways, I only hope that you can take the journey here and use the
resources available to grow as a person and not as a "Goth" cause thats
what it really is about, not the gothness or who is gothier than who, but
realize we are all just people who want to interact with people....whether
we agree on the same things or not, we still love and care for eachother as
if we were all one big dysfucntional family......
Welcome to Shmeng........ ____________________ My Life is like a porno-Without the sex-Just the weird music |
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Meranda_Jade
Fanatic Posts: 511 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/7/2006 at 04:50 PM |
Eh, don't be too intimidated by people here. Yeah, you will get a lot of
advice on behavior and what to say and not to say... I say screw it, be who
you want to be. If people like you, they like you, and if they don't, don't
worry about it. Some of our most beloved personalities on this site started
out by irritating people so badly it made your teeth ache and your brain
bleed. And none of us are perfect. We've all made really dumb posts or
comments. Relax and be yourself, you'll fit in.
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