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  posted on 31/5/2004 at 09:47 AM
Personally I don't think you have to dress goth all the time to be goth . In my heart
and mind I think this is where we all hold our true goth way. Alot of people would say you have to dress the piece and the music and blah blah blah. I don't dress goth all the time but when I do to me it feels that much better. I especially love whereing the cat eye contacts personal fav .

 

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  posted on 31/5/2004 at 07:53 PM
honestly, i think it's the attitiude, not the physical appearence....DID I SPELL THAT RIGHT?!?!??!

 

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  posted on 1/6/2004 at 09:51 PM
its all about the attitude, all the things like that are the attitude and the beliefs, its not the music but the way you make it or listen to it. not the clothes you wear but the reason you wear them, all that stuff...

the ruthless

 

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  posted on 2/6/2004 at 09:27 AM
OH my god no more WIG...no more no more.
Can someone take a count of how many of these there are?!

 

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  posted on 2/6/2004 at 09:37 AM
I thought the answer was 42....i cuold be wrong.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2004 at 11:25 AM
On another board I read, whenever someone trolls (or a thread is going nowhere) people post their favorite recipes.

3 Pepper Feta Roll Ups

1 Red, 1 Orange, 1 Yellow Bell Pepper, cut into strips
1-2 Garlic Cloves, minced
8 oz. Feta cheese
2 tsp. fresh dill, finely chopped (or 4 tsp. dry dill)
Splash Olive Oil
Splash Balsamic Vinegar
Pita bread or tortilla shells

Sauté garlic cloves in olive oil. Add peppers and cook until still slightly crunchy. Add balsamic vinegar and dill. Continue cooking until vinegar cooks off and peppers are soft. Crumble feta cheese over top, serve spooned into tortillas or pita shells. Good with couscous or rice on the side. Serves about 4.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2004 at 12:03 PM
Vegan Lasagna

Lasagna noodles enough for 5 layers
2 cans tomatosauce
2 cans tomato paste
Cillantro
Oregano
Fresh spinnach, unboiled
Fresh zuccinni, sliced thin
Finely chopped onions
Mushrooms
Sliced Black Olives
Veggie "ground round"
Silken tofu
Veggie Kaas vegan mozzerella cheese

Combine the tomato sauce, paste and onions in a pot and simmer
Boil noodles until half cooked, lay in bottom of pan
Pour layer of sauce, and on top put the veggie ground round
Layer of Noodles
Layer of sauce, spinach, and zuccinni
Layer of Noodles
Layer of mushrooms and THICK layer of vegan cheese, and sauce
Layer of noodles
Layer of heavily whipped silken tofu
Top layer of noodles
Layer of sauce and vegan cheese

Cover with foil or lid and bake at 400 for 45min-1 hr. Let cool. EAT YOUR FACE OUT.
With lotsa garlic bread. Don't forget that. Safeways garlic bread is the BEST.
Boil the noodles until half cooked, and lay in bottom of a square pan

 

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  posted on 2/6/2004 at 12:22 PM
German Chocolate Cheesecake
Coconut Pecan Topping
1/2 cup or 1 stick butter or margarine
1/4 cup light brown sugar
2 tablespoon light cream
2 tablespoon corn syrup
1 cup flaked coconut
1/2 cup chopped pecans
1 teaspoon. vanilla
Filling
4 bars (4oz.)Hershey's semi-sweet baking chocolate,broken into pieces
3 pkgs. (8 oz. each) cream cheese softened
3/4 cup sugar
1/2 cup sour cream
2 teaspoons vanilla
2 tablespoons all purpose flour
3 eggs
Coconut-Pecan Crust
1 cup graham cracker crumbs
2 tablespoon sugar
1/3 cup butter, melted
1/4 cup coconut
1/4 cup pecans,chopped
Topping
Melt butter with sugar, stir in remaining topping ingredients and set aside.
Crust
Combine crust ingredients; press into pan and bake at 350° for about ten minutes. Cool and set aside.

Heat oven to 450°.
In microwave bowl, melt chocolate until smooth. Set aside. In large mixing bowl, combine cream cheese, sugar, sour cream, and vanilla; beat with a mixer until smooth. Add flour 1 tablespoon at time, blending well after each addition. Add eggs and melted chocolate; blend well. Pour into crust. Bake 10 minutes without opening oven door; reduce oven to 250° and continue baking 35 minutes. Remove from oven. With knife loosen sides and and cool completely. Remove from pan. Spread topping on top and refrigerate until firm. Store uneaten portion covered, in refrigerator.
I use a large springform pan.
Shared by Maddymoo

 

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  posted on 2/6/2004 at 06:49 PM
Hmmm... Favorite recipe? Its got to be eggplant moussaka with mushroom and bechamel sauce. But I don't remember the recipe for the mushroom sauce... Oh well, I'll do the best I can.

Eggplant
Take one eggplant, slice it about one inch thick and roast it in the oven for about 20 minutes... Make the sauces in the meantime.

Mushroom Sauce
All I can say is that its basically spaghetti sauce with mushrooms in it.

Bechamel Sauce
You take about a cup of milk, add some flour and some butter. Heat it up carefully until it thickens into gravy.

Assembly: You take the eggplants out and put them in a greased baking dish. Cover the eggplants with the mushroom sauce. Then take the Bechamel sauce and pour gently over that. Then bake at 350 or so until brown.

If you need the exact recipe, I found it in one of the Moosewood Cookbooks. The white one with the cool drawings all over it.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2004 at 10:29 PM
I love eggplant ANYTHING. I have eggplants in my garden this year.

Eggplant rollettes are my favorite.

One big eggplant
One block medium texture tofu
Spinach, shredded, cooked
Broccoli, minced, cooked
onions, finely chopped
Cillantro and oregano to flavor
Breading
Garlic, minced
Tomato Sauce
Tomato Paste

Sauce:
Mix two cans tomato sauce and two paste, along with garlic, cilantro, oregano, bring to a simmer till cooked well
Rolls:
Slice the eggplant into 1/4" slices
blend the tofu, spinach, broccoli, and onions
Spread the blended mix into the center of the eggplant slice and roll into little burritos with open ends

Pour layer of sauce into baking dish, and place rollettes into the sauce then SMOTHER with the sauce. Bake at 400 degrees for 45 min

It's so fucking good. They make already made freezer versions, you can find them in any natural food store. Pricey, but easier especially when the urge hits you.

 

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  posted on 4/6/2004 at 05:25 AM
I think my mom calls those Eggplant Rollotinis. I like Eggplant Parm a lot.

 

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think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell

 

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  posted on 4/6/2004 at 05:55 AM
Virgin Delight

1/2 cup of baking soda
2 cups brown sugar
a dozen screaming virgins

mash virgins into a fine paste, mix in sugar and baking soda then arrange on a cookie sheet and bake until golden brown.

 

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  posted on 4/6/2004 at 08:11 AM
Simple but yummy:-

Banana
Peach
Ice cream
Sugar
Blender

Introduce the first four, to the last one.

 

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  posted on 22/11/2007 at 01:03 AM
I don't understand what Goth is, actually. Initially, I suppose everyone judges it by its appearance, and the seemingly non conformist appeal and allure which is carried with the genre,-but then, I could also conclude that this black sheep imperative when concerning society is as ridiculous as it is for Punks to say they uphold ideas of anarchy and nihilism.

What does it mean to be Goth? Is it a mere social aspect of shock value? I mean, no matter how natural they say it is, nobody is born with the desire to walk around and look like a vampire. I do it, and I like when folks cross the street, but I hate getting laughed at by people in passing cars. I wish I could throw a curse on them or some shit, but this fantastic aspect sure as hell isn't going to impeded my perception of reality, as I think such delusions are easily born from the conscious awareness OF reality.

I'm as shy, introverted and normal as every other human who strives to be different, but that stuff about it being in my heart, mind and soul doesn't cut it for me, as it's just justification for our frailties, really. And that applies universally for everything, not just whatever Goth is.

If that's what Goth is, I hope I fail.

I had long attributed Goth to a state of mind, one attributed to all that was deemed obscure and the interest in such, and then as a word, a definition not applied by the practitioners themselves, but by the norm, to label what they find offensive, to wrap everything they frown upon into a package-style, beliefs, attitudes-sexual orientation and fetishes. But then that means all gay people are Goth. So wtf.

How were artists from the Victorian era received when they first presented their work and art, I wonder? Edgar Allan Poe's demise could be a relation to my half assed theory.

I still don't know. There's so many things, so many opinions and insights, aside from the general fashion sense, music and interests which labels Goth, that other then such, nothing seems absolute. But oh well, fuck all is, right?

Oh, and favourite recipe-

Call 565-4567 Domino's Pizza.

[Edited on 22/11/2007 by Sorrow]

 

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  posted on 22/11/2007 at 08:05 PM
let's settle the goth thing once and for all...

Per Random house unabridged dictionary states
Goth –noun
1. one of a Teutonic people who in the 3rd to 5th centuries invaded and settled in parts of the Roman Empire.
2. a person of no refinement; barbarian.

speculation finised

 

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  posted on 22/11/2007 at 10:59 PM
I doubt that has anything to do with the current Goth culture.

But if so, then I need to change my recipes.

Hmm, raw children.

 

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  posted on 24/11/2007 at 12:21 AM
then petition random house and websters... if ebonics is a language, if ain't is a word, goth should be in there too...

thing is... there is no goth culture... there are a bunch of non conformists... each with their own thoughts on what goth is... therefore there can be no cogent definition...

is emo goth? is hot topic goth? should it go back to its roots (as a subset of punk)?

the ultimate question, really is who gives a shit? if you need to codify and label yourself, then you negate your very chance to influence the world

 

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  posted on 24/11/2007 at 10:24 AM
quote:
the ultimate question, really is who gives a shit? if you need to codify and label yourself, then you negate your very chance to influence the world


Then I certainly won't rely on a dictionary to define me, or other Goths.

It's just that ''non conformist'' doesn't really sit too well, when most Goths actually depend on society to display their image. You need boring normal people to confirm your air of rebellion, and you give your money to corporations and companies when you buy clothing or music-I've absolutely no problem supporting the industrial genre, but it's funny how Funker Vogt speaks out against the war and rich people while being allowed to sell their shit because of American disc companies-or at least, having their products manufactured there-the Goth culture has its own hand to play in economy, as much as does a Punk who buys his two hundred dollar stomp boots.

If he says he found them in the garbage though, while tugging his belt which is nothing but a chain held together round his waist with a padlock, then I'll be more inspired. You see where I'm getting at?

I don't know what Goth is, but it certainly doesn't seem to be true rebellion-only an allure thereof. but sure, that's fun too.

Like activists who specialize in chainsaw sabotage. Do they care what they dress like?

The point is, conformity or the lack thereof and rebellion are two different things entirely of course, however you can't have one without the other. If it wasn't for this society we claim to despise, would we be happy doing what we are doing, would there be a need, a sense of satisfaction to portray ourselves as such?

I was in art program a few years back-six months long. Basically, our goal was to find a way to let society know how much it sucks-we decided on a play, and so we made one, and there were five showings. In fact people even asked us to play in different places. (We were supposed to go to Belgium to present our hand made sensibilisation, but half of us had criminal records that didn't allow us to even go that far.) The play was basically some sort of opined collection of skits depicting the ridiculous obscurity of popular social intricacies-we spoke out against corporations, the government, the general mass's lack of self awareness and care for others, shit such as.

People liked it and everything, we were given the rare chance to speak out, and it was rather crude, shocking and even disturbing.

Thing is-this fucking program was funded BY the government. I was mort de rire, as they say.

 

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  posted on 24/11/2007 at 10:56 AM
BUT... the dictionary defines the most important aspect of any culture... COMMUNICATION...

without a framework to express ideas and communicate...

please re-read what I said... I recommended that you get yourselves added to the dictionary so there is a clear definition...

the problem with being a non-conformist is that you... are unique... just like everyone else...

you cannot be a non-conformist and belong to a culture... a culture is defined as (and this is the fitting dictionary definition for this situation) "the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group:" Logically speaking... if you are all rebelling against standards and confrmity then there is no way you can actually form a culture because even if you all agree on rebellion as your defining characteristic... now you are in agreement, and making a culture -which is contrary to your ideal characteristic...

I am not bashing you... as I give less than a shit about social structures, artificial or natural...

this isn't a goth site (even says so up on the title bar) ... if you define yourself by some social construct... then you are most likely wasting your time here... we have almost every state here, forgeigners, uber christians turned pagan... christeo pagan, atheists, goth, punk, republican... we really dun care about your culture as much as we do about who you are... without any labels... save for your name...

sooo... define your personal label and get back to me

 

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  posted on 24/11/2007 at 03:56 PM
quote:
the problem with being a non-conformist is that you... are unique... just like everyone else...



My personal beliefs suggest that as the human race, nobody is unique. I don't know what the hell Darwinism is, but I sincerely believe that in 100 years, some of us will be pretty people with only four fingers and the rest of us will turn into goblins.

The thing with that is, there are cultures and social structures all over the world and there always have been; some, like in the East still live by strict codes of honour, while over here we abide by morality; but in the end, what we do and how we do it serves the sole purpose of maintaining our race. A rainbow has many colours, but it all leads to the same place.

No matter the psychological thought process and the philosophical transition thereof, we're pretty much all the same-as your dictionary definition suggests, we can't NOT be a part of society. I don't know that I properly understood what you said beforehand, but I believe that's what I was stating before.

I don't believe we're unique, I don't believe that our personal definitions go beyond the bounds of self preservation via delusions or conditioned beliefs; the only reason we do this is to live-fear creates depression, and so, we find means to counter it-because depression and such impedes the will to live. That, when confronted by the ulterior truth we all know, for example, we all know we'll die someday.

Do you want to die?

People like Goths and Punks, for example and in the general understanding of the mass, act as warning beacons, by instilling moral ideals into children-don't do your homework, and you'll end up like that bum, or that creepy goth chick or that guy with the blue hair sniffing glue under the bridge!

quote:
you cannot be a non-conformist and belong to a culture... a culture is defined as (and this is the fitting dictionary definition for this situation) "the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group:" Logically speaking... if you are all rebelling against standards and confrmity then there is no way you can actually form a culture because even if you all agree on rebellion as your defining characteristic... now you are in agreement, and making a culture -which is contrary to your ideal characteristic...




I know. Hence why I think anarchy and nihilism can never exist.

What about you? Don't you belong to any culture? You use your computer to talk to people on the net and state your opinions about it, to tell me you don't give a shit about it-but you still, and always will, belong to some order or another-that's part of our grand Western civilization these days, and beyond. It's a great cultural impact, so I don't really understand what you're getting at.

Unless one lives in a cave and uses tree bark to wipe their asses, they all belong to conformity, and just hollering about rebellion doesn't make one as such.

quote:
this isn't a goth site (even says so up on the title bar) ... if you define yourself by some social construct... then you are most likely wasting your time here... we have almost every state here, foreigners, uber christians turned pagan... christeo pagan, atheists, goth, punk, republican... we really dun care about your culture as much as we do about who you are... without any labels... save for your name...



You know how I found this site? I Googled ''not goth forums'' and this place was the first result. I'm quite aware of that, (Could of figured as much by the site design, too.) however it does say Gothic Philosophy somewhere around here, so I thought that it might be fitting.

I'm certainly not here to bash Christians, Wiccans, Satanists, vampires, foreigners, rebels and what have you.

If I'm wasting my time, then so be it-however if I learn just one thing on my séjour here, it will have been all worth it.

Besides, I like Sailor Venus, she's awesome.

quote:
sooo... define your personal label and get back to me


Things like honour, courage, insanity or wisdom are usually given to other people-we don't know what any of that is, but we still recognize it. Like spam. One's wisdom is always defined by those around the individual. So, how am I supposed to define myself? I am defined by others, as pathetic as it may seem, and this definition has more impact upon my life and social situation then what I make for myself.
I can't, for the most part, figure out WHAT I am, or where my place might be-if anywhere.

I heard a song today, by that Serj dude from System of a Down, the song is called The Sky is Over. I have no idea what the hell he was talking about in the song, but it did make me think of this-

Even though you can afford to buy the sky itself, it will always remain where it always has been, free to enjoy for the rest of us.

That pretty much defines my place in society, my beliefs attributed to it, the struggles which may arise, and the questions I keep asking myself, but as well, the underlining of the absolute.

 
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