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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 24/11/2007 at 06:28 PM |
"My personal beliefs suggest that as the human race, nobody is
unique."
No offense... but I pity you then... everyone is a compilation of their
genes, completely unique in that respect. Each person has a unique sets of
memory engrams... completely unique in that respect. You even contain a
unique number of atoms, meaning that your quantum frequency is unique to
you. We also have a unique magnetic/gamma pattern in our brains...
Completely unique retinal patterns...we are all similar, but we are all
unique
"when confronted by the ulterior truth we all know, for example, we all
know we'll die someday. Do you want to die?"
I believe you meant ultimate... not ulterior truth... I've been dead for 15
minutes. I've been shot... i have terminated another human life. I have no
fear of death as I have left nothing undone... I have very few regrets...
As a creature of instinct, I have very little wish to die, and I will fight
to avoid that inevitability...
"People like Goths and Punks, for example and in the general
understanding of the mass, act as warning beacons, by instilling moral
ideals into children-don't do your homework, and you'll end up like that
bum, or that creepy goth chick or that guy with the blue hair sniffing glue
under the bridge!"
you speak as if you see me as something else... I still wear my hair in a
wide mohawk... I have thousands of dollars of ink, and I remember when
goths were nothing more than punks...
"I know. Hence why I think anarchy and nihilism can never exist."
On the contrary... Society has little to do with government...
Nihilism:total rejection of established laws and institutions
Anarchy: a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive
government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and
voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of
organized society.
society does not preclude anarchy or nihilism...
"What about you? Don't you belong to any culture?" never denied
being part of a culture... but I am not claiming to be goth... and we are
discussing gothic stereotypes here...
"If I'm wasting my time, then so be it-however if I learn just one thing
on my séjour here, it will have been all worth it." No offense... why
is it when anyone comes here, and they encounter any kinds of resistance to
their thoughts... they assume the worst? It's called debate... and
communing with people that are not of the same exact thought patterns as
you stimulates healthy thought and discourse... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Sorrow
Occasional Poster   Posts: 18 Registered: 21/11/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 24/11/2007 at 07:40 PM |
quote:
No offense... but I
pity you then... everyone is a compilation of their genes, completely
unique in that respect. Each person has a unique sets of memory engrams...
completely unique in that respect. You even contain a unique number of
atoms, meaning that your quantum frequency is unique to you. We also have a
unique magnetic/gamma pattern in our brains... Completely unique retinal
patterns...we are all similar, but we are all unique
I don't mind being pitied. I like the attention. 
Sure, I got my own memories and the like-which are unique to me, not to
mention the perception thereof, the actions and consequences which will be
derived from such, however it will lead me to the same place as anyone
else.
See, if you confront, I get scared, and such is an intrusion to my personal
safety, therefore I strike back with anger, eliminate your presence by
ending your life, and the obstacle to my safety is removed. Isn't that how
wars start? We've always had them, and it's not my atom structure or
frequency level that's going to change that. It's like you're saying all
snowflakes look different, which they do, but that they also all do a
different thing, which is false.
quote:
I believe you meant
ultimate... not ulterior truth... I've been dead for 15 minutes. I've been
shot... i have terminated another human life. I have no fear of death as I
have left nothing undone... I have very few regrets... As a creature of
instinct, I have very little wish to die, and I will fight to avoid that
inevitability...
Ulterior because we all lie to ourselves with ideas of heaven, promised
lands or reincarnation. Conviction is strong. And in having no regrets, you
state that yet another delusion is weaving-I don't know what your life is
like, and it's not for me to judge your satisfaction or absence thereof,
but I wonder how people can imagine that they've done all they need to do
and regret nothing. There's always things you'll never know, experiences
that will never come your way, all these good things overshadowed by the
bad.
Otherwise, even our instinct would usher in death, when all is done. I
don't believe in fate or destiny, either.
quote:
you speak as if you see
me as something else... I still wear my hair in a wide mohawk... I have
thousands of dollars of ink, and I remember when goths were nothing more
than punks...
Weren't you the one arguing that we were all unique? Other then that, I
don't see what that has to with the psychological aspect of the survival
instinct.
quote:
On the contrary...
Society has little to do with government...
Nihilism:total rejection of established laws and institutions
Anarchy: a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive
government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and
voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of
organized society.
society does not preclude anarchy or nihilism...
But it's the absence thereof. Say the world goes mental, and everyone does
what they want. I'm going to kill you-because I can. You, in order to
defend yourself, will team up with someone, and destroy me. When this is
done, you'll stay together to avoid similar circumstances, until you weave
yourself a pack of people willing to work together to survive the chaos.
That's like society, and so, there goes your anarchy.
We need laws, it's that simple, and with the abolition of such, we'll just
create new ones. I'm thinking that most speak of such subjects for the
shock value, but when really thinking about it, and the way we work as
humans, I don't see how the definition of such can actually exist.
Even Genghis Khan had laws. I agree, society has little to do with it,
because it's not the initial factor, only a product of what we are.
quote:
No offense... why is it
when anyone comes here, and they encounter any kinds of resistance to their
thoughts... they assume the worst? It's called debate... and communing with
people that are not of the same exact thought patterns as you stimulates
healthy thought and discourse...
Did I give such ideas?-not at all. You said I might be wasting my time on
these forums, I said that if I learn something here, then it's worth it. I
don't get it.
I know what a debate is, and am not offended, insulted or what have you
with people not agreeing with me-I enjoy it, and certainly not doing it to
be right. If you agreed with me about everything I said, then I'd have
nothing to say, would I? Don't presume that I'm as dense as to have a fit
because we disagree. I'm immature, yes indeed-but I ain't retarded.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 24/11/2007 at 07:52 PM |
"Did I give such ideas?"
yes - you did...
"If I'm wasting my time, then so be it-however if I learn just one thing on
my séjour here, it will have been all worth it."
The opening statement implies the information I responded to...
I'll not respond point by point to your lat post, lest I be accused of
bashing... I respsect your point of view, but disagree on almost every
level... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Sorrow
Occasional Poster Posts: 18 Registered: 21/11/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 24/11/2007 at 09:19 PM |
I was never going to accuse you of bashing me-at all. No man, seriously, I
don't know where you're getting these ideas. I thought we were just having
a convo-yeah I'm kind of rude, but it doesn't mean anything.
quote:
The opening statement
implies the information I responded to...
In case ya didn't notice, I was actually complimenting and commending your
intelligence-but hey, if you want to take it that way, that's cool too.
Again though, I'm easily able to have a mature discussion-I don't
understand this entire bashing thing. :/ Granted it's pretty pointless as
we won't agree-but it's still enlightening.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 24/11/2007 at 10:39 PM |
you are jumping to conclusions... re-read what I said...
do not assume every statement is directly aimed at you... and do not
assume... I would be far less subtle... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Sorrow
Occasional Poster Posts: 18 Registered: 21/11/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 24/11/2007 at 10:56 PM |
I have chocobos swirling round me noggin' now.
I did re-read your post, and I don't see what conclusion I'm supposed to
make, when you and I were the ones debating recently, within this
thread.
I think it's your manner of speech that confuses me. Don't take it as an
offense or anything, I just don't get it. Well kay it's fine lol. Id you
could be more direct though, I might stop making an ass of myself.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 25/11/2007 at 04:01 AM |
| you are reading, and expecting my words to have a hidden meaning...I say
what I mean...exactly what I mean and nothing more or nothing less...
simply take them at face value... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
/>
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 1/12/2007 at 12:58 PM |
The question is not WIG (what is goth?) but WDIM (why does it matter?)
Only reason I ever use the word to describe myself is in a quickie
self-description... thus - "I've got kind of a goth streak." That gives
whoever I'm talking to the basic idea that I've got a fondness for "dark"
or "spooky" things without putting myself into a box whose boundaries
anyone can define for themselves. Because what Feral says is true - there
is no concrete definition for the word "goth" as it applies to the
sub-culture. Which is why it gets debated endlessly. Do you think I'm
goth? Do you think you're goth? Do I think I'm goth? Do I think you're
goth? Do we think they're goth or do they think we're goth? Who the fuck
knows and who the fuck who's worth a fuck cares.
I, however, am goth as fuck. How is that different? Beats me, but it is. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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callei
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 759 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/12/2007 at 07:40 AM |
If anyone here has a question about WIG then check out the list of "types
of goth" Bettie X made (and let me help) and the lexicon de Gothique. If
you still dont get what got this, check out the historical articles on this
site that go into the history of the word, the externally and internally
applied labels of non-conformists over the last 1200 years of Western
so-called civilization, and then shut the fuck up.
If you have to wonder if you are goth, then you aren't, if you dont care
then you might be. If you claim you are loudly to everyone, then you are a
fool. ____________________
Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
away.
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littlegothgirlthatcould
Member   Posts: 100 Registered: 13/2/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/1/2008 at 07:38 PM |
quote:
"My personal beliefs
suggest that as the human race, nobody is unique."
No offense... but I pity you then... everyone is a compilation of their
genes, completely unique in that respect. Each person has a unique sets of
memory engrams... completely unique in that respect. You even contain a
unique number of atoms, meaning that your quantum frequency is unique to
you. We also have a unique magnetic/gamma pattern in our brains...
Completely unique retinal patterns...we are all similar, but we are all
unique
"when confronted by the ulterior truth we all know, for example, we all
know we'll die someday. Do you want to die?"
I believe you meant ultimate... not ulterior truth... I've been dead for 15
minutes. I've been shot... i have terminated another human life. I have no
fear of death as I have left nothing undone... I have very few regrets...
As a creature of instinct, I have very little wish to die, and I will fight
to avoid that inevitability...
"People like Goths and Punks, for example and in the general
understanding of the mass, act as warning beacons, by instilling moral
ideals into children-don't do your homework, and you'll end up like that
bum, or that creepy goth chick or that guy with the blue hair sniffing glue
under the bridge!"
you speak as if you see me as something else... I still wear my hair in a
wide mohawk... I have thousands of dollars of ink, and I remember when
goths were nothing more than punks...
"I know. Hence why I think anarchy and nihilism can never exist."
On the contrary... Society has little to do with government...
Nihilism:total rejection of established laws and institutions
Anarchy: a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive
government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and
voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of
organized society.
society does not preclude anarchy or nihilism...
"What about you? Don't you belong to any culture?" never denied
being part of a culture... but I am not claiming to be goth... and we are
discussing gothic stereotypes here...
"If I'm wasting my time, then so be it-however if I learn just one thing
on my séjour here, it will have been all worth it." No offense... why
is it when anyone comes here, and they encounter any kinds of resistance to
their thoughts... they assume the worst? It's called debate... and
communing with people that are not of the same exact thought patterns as
you stimulates healthy thought and discourse...
He is such a smart man, God, I respect him so much.
With a large part of my life. ____________________
[[Ive learned too many things to let life pass me by now. Ive grown up and
learned my lessons, this is the beginning of the future]]
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littlegothgirlthatcould
Member Posts: 100 Registered: 13/2/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/1/2008 at 07:40 PM |
quote:
you are reading, and
expecting my words to have a hidden meaning...I say what I mean...exactly
what I mean and nothing more or nothing less... simply take them at face
value...
and again, People do need to learn, just to accept what he says, and to
listen to what he acctually means.
Although this is an old thread... I just felt like Commenting ____________________
[[Ive learned too many things to let life pass me by now. Ive grown up
and
learned my lessons, this is the beginning of the future]]
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littlegothgirlthatcould
Member Posts: 100 Registered: 13/2/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 1/2/2008 at 12:40 PM |
| I would like to know how it when from being about Goth to recipies....
either Im confused, or didn't read well enough ____________________
[[Ive learned too many things to let life pass me by now. Ive grown up
and
learned my lessons, this is the beginning of the future]]
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Passenger
Occasional Poster  Posts: 20 Registered: 2/2/2008 Status: Offline
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posted on 2/2/2008 at 07:37 PM |
I think goth should have substance, I don't really like the vagueness of
it, It kind of needs a makeover, I mean vagueness is good to some
degree,but not when you have to grab imaginary potatoes out of the air. No
I don't think you have to dress the part. Basically anyone is goth at this
point in time, unless the old goth become evil and eat them for breakfast.
May I ask what kind of Attitude goth has?
Goth is undefinable, no limits, and no leaders,
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littlegothgirlthatcould
Member Posts: 100 Registered: 13/2/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 4/2/2008 at 11:36 AM |
thats Very true.
A way of life, not particularly a way of dress. ____________________
[[Ive learned too many things to let life pass me by now. Ive grown
up
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and
learned my lessons, this is the beginning of the future]]
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