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Author: Subject: NJ legislation trying ban sales of M Rated games to children under 18.

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  posted on 1/11/2002 at 10:05 PM
I'm just copying and pasting this in a few different BBS's and e-mails. This is something I think that anyone who enjoys their freedom of speech and choice should read.

NJ legislation trying ban sales of M Rated games to children under 18.

Please excuse any literary errors in this message, it was written in haste.

I was eating breakfast this morning and I saw in the front page “Video game curbs urged. State lawmakers have proposed a bill to keep ‘mature’ games from kids.” Yes you read it right, a group of lawmakers in New Jersey are trying to promote a law which will ban the sales of M rated games to “under aged” gamers. (As they are in New York, Illinois and Florida.)

They are CONTINUING to wage the dog with the unbacked argument that video games demoralize the innocent minds of youth. Assemblyman Gary Guear is speaking for this group of bastards stating “Clearly children should not be subjected to this level of violence and aggression.”

If that wasn’t enough the article in this paper featured a ludicrous quote from Ronald Coughlin, a “child psychiatrist.”

“Violent images on television and the movies cause aggression in children immediately after being viewed.” (-which is true but those effects are very temporary and the aggression show by children is not towards another child, studies proved that their temporary and often THERAPEUTIC aggression was taken out upon their toys. Now, here comes the lies.) “But the effects of on-screen violence pale in comparison to those in video games, he said, leading to increased hostility that often lingers for up to two years.”

It gets even better:

“What video games do is teach (youngsters) how to kill someone,” said Coughlin, who drew a direct link between video games and the Columbine shootings.”

They’re fabricating facts YET again to bring leverage towards their arguments and at the same time they are trying to bring life into a dead media cashcow, Columbine, yet again.

First off these idiots are trying to ban the sales of M rated games to any minor under the age of 18 even though the M rated label states that it is for ages 17 and older. Secondly these “lawmakers” are again trying to step into your homes and are trying to control your choices in a dictator fashion.

We all know about why this is simply wrong, we know the facts about gaming violence and youth...we need to act now.

Now, if you don’t live in New Jersey, New York, Illinois or Florida where similar legislation is trying to be passed you may wonder why you should care? Well it’s simple folks, there are fifty states in this great country and it only takes ONE to start a chain reaction...sooner or later, state after state after state, they will add up to fifty.

This article was produce from the Gloucester County Times: www.nj.com
The writer of this article is Terrence Dopp: [email protected]
The editors page of this paper is [email protected]

I do not know the e-mails and names of the lawmakers who are trying to pass this bill but the assemblyman Gary Guear’s e-mail is [email protected]

Also, here is a webpage going deeper into his idiotic bill. http://www.politicsnj.com/guear091202.htm

Gamers, we must allow our voices to be heard. Take a stand now with your wallets, your e-mails and your votes.

“It’s hardly surprising that political attacks typically come from a generation of people 45 and older...” Doug Lowenstein, IDSA President.

 

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  posted on 1/11/2002 at 11:52 PM
To put it as nicely as I possibly can....CENSORSHIP IS BULLSHIT!!!

 

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  posted on 2/11/2002 at 01:08 AM
Games had nothing to do with the columbine shootings. Colubine was about inattentive parents and school administrators, the ensuing and probably already existing emotional problems, and bullies. PERIOD. Videogames/music my ASS.
It's the 21st century tipper gore bandwagon...first it was music and it's evils, and now it's video games. What was it called? "House wives with stationery"? Sounds like it to me, but now it's more than that it's all about the politicians and gaining votes by the people that are stupid enough to believe that they as parents don't affect their own child's outcome, through, well PARENTING!
I second the "cencorship is BULLSHIT" comment. What people want to do is pass of the responsibility, when in actuality they are passing off their RIGHTS...and so EAGER to do it..."Please make it safe for us, we're too stupid to think for ourselves". ANd then it'll go on and on until someone smacks another on the head and says "HEY, DIPSHIT...you realise that because it was deemed "unsafe" everyone, kids and ADULTS have a national CERFEW?"
I fought tooth and nail to "grow up" I'll be damned if I'll let someone take the ability and right to take my OWN "adult" decisions away.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2002 at 02:28 AM
ok, first, there are games that shouldn't be played by children, BMX XXX being one of them. Games like that should have the M rating, and should be considered adult entertainment. Games like mortal Kombat, which I believe has an M rating, isn't really all that adult, and should have a t16, or whatever you want to call it.
NJ is a fucked up state to begin with, anybody following the election news there?? I wouldn't expect anything good to come out of there.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2002 at 06:37 AM
I know this one...I could gripe on and on about how fucking stupid people are, in general, especially the old ones (You know, if nature had continued on in the pattern it usually does, old people would be so much velociraptor food by now)...but I wont, well...fuck, like hell I wont!
Hearing stuff like that, and how damn often and repetitive it is makes me want to play seventeen hours straight of resident evil, trip out on acid and go outside to shoot people...again and again.
Violent people do not need an excuse to be violent...and whats worse...every freaking "official" (which is such a bullshit term when it comes to anything, ANYTHING psychological) swears up and down that children are getting worse and worse...bullshit I say, big steaming bullshit...
Violence is a hell of a lot less of a problem then during any era in American or world history.
Parents in Eastern Europe didn't care if little Billy and Isolde were running around killing things or reading dirty passages out of the bible as long as they could handle themselves against the Mongols...
Ack! Suck blinding stupidity robs me of any eloquence or cohesion of thought! It makes me want to bust out a Johnny the Homicidal Maniac stunt and just start nailing things to walls. Things that bleed.
Whats worse, theres shit we can do about it...
I for one, buy just about every interesting video game I can get, or steal it anyway...and the vast majority of them are M rated.
Besides, whats better family fun than watching my little three year old nephew play GTA 3, and giggle and cheer when he intentionally or otherwsie offs some innocent bystander than laughs so hard he wets himself...it's freaking hilarious.
As far as Violence goes, I think this world needs some more honest violence.
Why can't people just fucking kill eachother, and not have to make excuses or hide behind others ideas of entertainment.
I also think I need more acid...

 

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  posted on 2/11/2002 at 10:50 AM
Well video games are like television, there's a lot of stuff kids probalby shouldn't see until a certain age, and if the parents pay attention to what they're watching/playing then it won't be so much of an issue. I mean hell who didn't have toy guns when they were little? The more realistic the better right? I had LOTS of toy guns and I KNEW they were toys, and that real guns kill, not to touch real guns, if I saw a real gun to tell my parents, etc. I had toy guns so I didnt' have a dying curiosity over real guns.
Hell, I played Evil Dead: Hail to the King and did it make me wanna go chop shit with a chain saw? NO.
I played frogger every day as a kid. DId it make me wanna go play in traffic?
I played mario brothers every day, did I find brick ledges and jump up to slam my head into them? okay, maybe I did do that a couple times, but it wasn't because of the game....

People just need to pay the fuck attention and get over themselves and their "theories" about today's kids. THere were gangs 50 years ago, there were toy guns 50 years ago, there was rape and murder 50 years ago. Pleasantville NEVER existed...EVER.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2002 at 11:02 AM
This topic pisses me off more than ever and I don't even PLAY video games. People are fucking AFRAID of everything, we are the MOST protected country in the world and I'm thinking of leaving the god damn place. "What you don't know can't hurt you" like hell it can't. We watched this thing before school on Good Morning America about how terrible the video games are now adays. If your kids can't distinguish between what's right and what's wrong then it's your own god damn fault. I was a violent kid up until fifth grade and I hardly ever watched tv, never played video games. I read a lot though, and I played with toy guns. Guns don't kill people, people kill people and some people NEED to die. The columbine thing-they tried blaming the shootings on Manson but the kids didn't even LISTEN to Manson..stupid fucks. This is like when my brother was 14 and I was 10 and my parents tried taking away his Pantera CD. He fucking flipped about how they're infringing on his rights because he IS a citizen in this country and it is HIS right to listen to whatever the hell he wants. Of course they pulled the "not under my roof" shit so he took his CD and left for a while..but yeah..same thing.
We debated on violence on tv and in video games last year and there is no proof that tv and video games cause violence. I have a sick, twisted imagination and I don't blame anything or anyone for that except myself. I scare people with my english compositions and my art, but it doesn't fucking matter because I'm not going to go stab someone through the heart, or torture someone relentlessly. Trying to stop kids from playing video games because of some paranoia is as bad as turning Paul Wellstone's funeral into a fucking political debate. And to think-most of the kids in my grade AGREE with the politicians. We SHOULD have named our school newspaper conformity.
Bastards.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2002 at 12:05 PM
I hate this shit. The thing is, people are ACTUALLY going to get carded trying to buy video games. I got carded trying to walk into an R rated movie a little while ago. Carded? First of all, I'm obviously over 17, second of all, WHO THE FUCK CARES?

It's not like yoo can be fined for selling a movie ticket to someone underage. I understand carding mee for cigarettes, in MN yoo gotta pay $4000 and go to court. Fine, cover yor ass and card mee for smokes. But an R-rated movie? It's going to be the same damn thing for video games.

Yoo know, when a guy walks in to buy a copy of GTA3 covered with piercings, brandings, and tattoos yoo'd think people would figure there's not alot that could be in this game that he isn't vaguely aware of.

Okay kids, give mee the money and I'll buy yoo video games (include shipping and handling).

 

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  posted on 2/11/2002 at 06:44 PM
All the more reason why I hate this conformist country. To get into rated "R" movies around here in Buffalo New York, you have to be 21 years old. Now exactly why the fuck did that happen? I'm 17 and I can't get into a rated "R" movie which is supposed to be 17 and older. The mall where this theatre is located just passed a rule stating "No one under 17 can be in the mall without a parent."....

Rated "M" video games never influenced me at all....I ALWAYS played video games that had alot of blood in them...and to be quite honest...they're the most entertaining of all the games I own. Even if that law was passed, there is a way around it...at least for me...my mom never had a problem with the games I played...if I had to be 21 all of a sudden...I'd just give her the money, and she'd go get it...and bam its in my hands...even though I'm 17 and should be allowed to buy it anyway. But she did that when I was alot younger..so go figure. I haven't shot anybody.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2002 at 07:27 AM
Technically speaking, most (Not all, butmost) age related laws have an "actual parental consent" rider on them, like R rated movies are actually restricted to those 17 and under with a parental escort. You are totally allowed to drink at home with your parents consent *And presence* in most states. the thing is, for most of those the parent has to be present. It's a basic adult supervision law. The reality is most parents don't want to watch GTA3 all afternoon, and I have enough trouble getting my friends to go watch the latest Hellraiser movie with me, I can't imagine how little most parents want to go watch the thing.
As far as making it a necessity to have a parent present to get that M rated vid game...how many people under twelve can see over the counter, much less buy the game themselves anyway, and beyond that...well, i was shoulder-tapping the local drunks for booze and smokes by the time I was thirteen. Well, smokes then; beer later, but you get the idea.

 

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  posted on 4/11/2002 at 11:25 AM
I think I figured it out, this is simply a plot to distract attention from the numerous blunders in NJ gov and DMV.

I hate NJ. Stay away from here, PLEASE! Save yourselves from this state!

 

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  posted on 4/11/2002 at 01:08 PM
As a somewhat contrary point...I suppose I must admit it finally...
My name is Dolorosa, and I'm a Halo Addict...
It didn't really hit me until I was at the grocery store and I suddenly lost control, rifle-checked the bag dude with a frozen kielbasa and threw a plasma grenade into the feminine hygiene aisle...
Whats really bothering me is where did I get that plasma grenade...I want more...
Censorship is the dilution and manipulation of knowledge...
Twisting knowledge is the greatest sin I know...unfortunatly it's also one of the most fun...
Bummer huh?

 

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  posted on 4/11/2002 at 04:30 PM
Yeah Dolo! Addicted to Halo! *cheers*

My friends and I coerced a teacher into letting us play Halo in his classroom during lunch, before school, and during break. I'm pretty much a master at Hang 'em High... I love that level. DAMN THE SNIPERS IN BLOOD GULCH! Unless I'm one of them, of course.

We also got into a pine-cone chucking battle in his classroom. I don't know where we got the idea from, but it hurt.

Damn the censors!

 

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  posted on 4/11/2002 at 07:10 PM
NOOOO!!!!!

The only thing more evil than the NJ government. People that like the Xbox.

 

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  posted on 4/11/2002 at 10:33 PM
BAHAHAHA...xbox sucks

How's that for random vagaries?

 

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  posted on 5/11/2002 at 07:31 AM
Quickly Grimlor, you man the PS2, I'll grab the Gamecube. We must play good games to defend humanity.
Damnit, they're attacking on the southern front, someone grab the NES to keep them at bay.
Get on the radio, we need Dreamcast support, and we need it fast...

 

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  posted on 6/11/2002 at 02:41 AM
This is my view on the whole cause effect thing of video games and movies...

Inherently evil people are inherently evil.
Inherently good people are inherently good.
Evil=conscience doesn't apply.
Good=consciece applies.

Wanting to read, watch, play, talk about, write about sick, sadistic, delusional ideas and actions=what you're into.
Actually doing harm to people, animals, property as a result of the above=someone who is evil and has no conscience and is in no way affected by anything he/she has read, watched, played, talked about, written about no matter how sick, sadistic, delusional.

Censorship is pointless in reality. Teaching children the difference between fantasy and reality is what matters and it's their parents/guardians/people they live with's jobs to do it.

I was raised around guns, swords, daggers and alcohol. I was taught the dangers of all of the items and taught to handle them safely and that killing is bad. I was taught the difference between fantasy (ie:games, books, etc.) and reality, and expected to understand the difference and not be an idiot. Being exposed to something doesn't make you do bad things. It's genetics or never being taught what's good and bad that makes all the difference.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2002 at 02:55 AM
Funny how they say that videogames cause young males to shoot people but these idiot politicians make me want to shoot them!

*takes a deep breath*

One a brighter note, GTA Vice City is incredibly fun! Nothing better than chasing people down the streets with a chainsaw. Pick up a copy when you see it, you'll love it.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2002 at 10:37 AM
The most violent people I have ever known have come form homes with

a) Violent parents

or b) innattentive parents.

Children mimic what they see adults doing or act out more and more in order to get attention. Yes, it's cliche, but it's what is happening all over the country in homes across suburbia. According to politicians everywhere, I should have flown of my rocker by now, grabbed one of the many guns in my house and shot several people including myself. But it hasn't happened. My father has sat me down several times over my life, shown me how to load a gun, fire a gun, and then clean the gun when I was done. They let me play video games of all types, and god forbid, my dad even encourages me roleplaying.
I hate politicians who decide they need some sort of new crusade because elections are coming up.
And for the record, the game cube doesn't suck.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2002 at 03:15 PM
My parents are violent and I'm not even phased by it. Kids today, so desensitized by their families. Heh..
I wrote a story that somehow corresponds to the happenings of my summer though it was sick and delusional and I loved it. Now I'm not really going to go stab some girl or watch hounds eat the legs off of a guy I know. I'm not going to torture someone relentlessly or any of that.
My friend wrote an in-depth story on how he would go about shooting up the school (relating to columbine) but he's not actually going to shoot up the school.
*sigh* If I was going to kill someone I would have already done it. Outside influences like video games and television and music and books isn't going to make me do anything. Just because something implies/talks about violence or commits acts of violence does not mean it's saying "go out and kill as many people as you can."

 

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