Thantos
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posted on 12/4/2003 at 12:31 PM |
I'm wondering if any one out there in shmeng world can help me? I've
recently been reading up on this new 'up rising' ,if thats the right word.
Its called Dark Paganism and is aimed at reconnecting with the dark aspects
of the pagan religion. I was curious if there are any Dark pagans out there
that could help me expand on what i already know? I'd be greatful for any
help people can offer. ____________________ Don't worry, it only seems kinky the first time.
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callei
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posted on 24/4/2003 at 07:02 PM |
*Sigh* and my religion is punctuation.
THIS IS ONLY A JOKE ____________________ Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
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Sardonic-Pain
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posted on 24/4/2003 at 11:00 AM |
Its kinda sad how a lot of Religions are StereoTyped..... I still dont
agree with the whole "Dark Paganism" spiel just because of what I believe
and I totally agree that you dont have to be openminded athough sometimes
its nice but hey if some one is closeminded or what ever your definition of
closeminded might be who cares if some one is set in their ways then who
are you to them to say something that in your mind you think that you can
change that. religion is always a touchy subject and tends to light a fuer
under peoples asses and its a real controversal subject just becuase
everybody has their own veiws beliefs and ideas........... ____________________ My Life is like a porno-Without the sex-Just the weird music |
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Dolorosa
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posted on 23/4/2003 at 09:39 PM |
Depends on the stick starlight! If it's a happy sexy stick, I may consider
it...however if it's th lassic stick, the ugly stick, or a stick of
dynamite I'll pass...heh heh ____________________ In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King |
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Anya
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posted on 23/4/2003 at 08:06 PM |
Contrary to what Hollywood shows you, there's 'twisted' views of faith
everywhere (referring to the megalomaniacs and/or blood sacrifices that
Hollywood likes to show as a witch or pagan image *shakes head*).
Here's something that sounds repetitive (disgusting to me, but that's
me...just read every_single_definition stated):
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pagan
Also in one of the dictionaries out there, they have wicca meaning archaeic
(sp?) for wisdom(not the drop of the ball, keep reading)... then says to
see pagan, which one of the definitions they had was "ignorant"(*ball
drop*). I'm curious on how someone got the idea of someone being
considered ignorant just because of their faith. The thing that totally
drops the ball is that even Hollywood and other famous things out there
advertises this stuff. Amazing how high people can get by antagonizing the
paranormal/different/not-the-crowd/etc. *shakes head*
Wasn't 100% with the subject, but thought I'd bring that up while we're in
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Anya
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posted on 23/4/2003 at 07:21 PM |
That's roughly how it crossed me as. To me, it's a balance of sort. Life
and death, masculine and feminine, aggression and passive, passion and
cold, etc. Cannot have one without the other or there'd be imbalance
(someone being pure yin would be dead and without yin, no one could die,
etc).
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Starlight
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posted on 23/4/2003 at 06:53 PM |
Anya: I've been told that also about the yin yang symbol meaning everything
from "female/male" to "good/evil"...but it always seems to symbolize two
counterparts coming together to form a perfect circle. ____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
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Starlight
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posted on 23/4/2003 at 06:48 PM |
*re-reads her comments*
Okay so I can see why you might be wondering Dolo...What I was trying to
say is that it's okay to find humor in things that not everyone finds
humorous. I didn't mean you had a stick up your ass...I meant that you
didn't have a stick up your ass, and that some of the customers who come in
where I work do have a stick up their ass.
*scratches her head*...unless you want a stick up your ass...I mean if
that's like "your thing"...*grinz* ____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've
never
tried before." ~Mae West
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Anya
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posted on 23/4/2003 at 03:03 PM |
One of my uncles (he's Vietnamese) was the one who said there was an actual
Eastern cultures that considered yin and yang as good and evil. I'd not be
surprised, but I don't recall hearing of any taken as that aspect
either...aside from what he claims (for all I know, it could be one of
those infrequent cross-religion branches that adopted and twisted certain
things from more than one religion and/or faith).
Dark Paganism seems more like a label to me than anything - I don't recall
hearing of such a faith either...then again, as I agreed to before, maybe
some geographical locations have such a label.
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callei
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posted on 23/4/2003 at 07:47 AM |
Some body in this thread said that we were *supposed* to be "open-minded"
and chastided the people who had taken the time out of thier day to respond
to the thread. I'd like to know where ON THIS SITE it is written that we
have to be "openminded"? ANd when does "openminded" mean that no other
views are allowed?
No one has to like you here or think your religion is real. Ask one of our
Christians someday what it is like to believe in something that everyone
else thinks is silly...
The point here is that someone chose to expose thier faith to ridicule and
then someone said that those who took the bait were bad people.
____________________ Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
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Dolorosa
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posted on 23/4/2003 at 01:34 AM |
What if I said my religion was to make fun of other religions?
What if I said that even though I made up this religion, specifically for
myself...I still demanded it be respected and whatnot.
I wonder what people would do with something like that.
Incidentally, I hope that was a light hearted jab and not a suggestion that
I might have a stick up my ass... ____________________ In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King |
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Catiana
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posted on 23/4/2003 at 12:15 AM |
im always the last one to find the topics im interested in
i am a pagan, and although i have never heard of dark paganism, thats my
ignorance. i dont nessicarily agree or disagree, but i think you can call
your faith whatever you want, and shouldnt be harrassed for being "fake and
made up" as long as you truly beleive it.
so what if the name "dark paganism" doesnt fit YOUR definition of paganism?
thats fine, dont be a dark pagan.
Something i feel strongly about is everyone's right to worship their own
way, or to be spiritual any way they want. If someone's path to happiness
seems silly to you, thats you. We have no right to call down other people
for having different beleifs.
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Starlight
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posted on 22/4/2003 at 11:38 PM |
Hey Dolo...I'd much rather make fun of something (or even myself) than to
walk around with a stick stuck up my ass all the time. I've thought of
putting up a sign at work saying "stick extractors $1.00 each", but I doubt
that those most in need of one would even get the joke. ____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've
never
tried before." ~Mae West
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Dolorosa
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posted on 22/4/2003 at 10:43 PM |
mmm...all well and good. But if there are Dark Pagans...then of course,
there are Probably Dark Christians...Dark Buddhists and Dark Extremist
Raeliens.
Unfortunately, last time I checked...there aren't...they just call
themselves something else. If they were balanced, they would
be...well...BALANCED, especially in name...because the name is the
existance of a thing.
Eh...in any case, mebbe' I just wanted to make fun of something for no
real reason...which is always fun. ____________________ In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King |
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Starlight
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posted on 22/4/2003 at 05:40 PM |
As I've said before I don't label myself as a particular type of
Pagan...that's why I like to use the term "non-denominational pagan" when
forced to say if I'm a "Good one or a Bad one". I was referring to when I
am asked by Christians as to what church do I attend...what religion do I
practice, etc. etc. etc. I get asked partly because people around where I
live ask that of other people around here, partly because I can often be
seen wearing crystals or other stones and pentagrams and ankhs and other
things that make people curious, and partly because of the way I speak and
answer certain types of questions. I've just decided that when pressed for
an answer that is my answer. I've just been approached by too many people
to ask for instant gratification type things regarding magick and not
wanting to put any time into practicing it, so that's why I don't offer
info freely. I know alot of things that I do are similar to what Wiccans
do...but I've also seen Buddists do similar things as well...and other
nature-based religion/spirituality practicers do similar things...have
similar beliefs as well. I think that the term "Dark Pagan" simply refers
to those Pagans who choose not to concentrate as much on a balance or worry
about karma to the same degree as some other Pagans. (Incidentally I use
the term Pagan to refer to any Non-Chrisitan or Jewish religion/spiritual
belief...as people generally practiced nature-based spirituality before any
organized religions came about.) I don't think that Satanists are evil (in
the sense that Christians do)...so I would say that in a loose way they
could be "dark pagan" as well. I don't seriously recall hearing anyone
refer to "Light Pagans" or "Balanced Pagans" anywhere...so I think Dark
Pagan probably came about to describe pagans, wiccans, satanists, druids,
etc...who feel comfortable working with the darker forces of nature...and
dealing with the consequences if they are not good....I think at times I've
considered myself leaning towards the darker side as well...I don't think
there's anything wrong with that. You need both light and dark forces for
there to be any sort of balance at all. Also, there will always be pagans
who work on trying to be as "undark" as they can...so that balances against
the "dark" so there it is. Nature itself usually takes care of the balance.
____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've
never
tried before." ~Mae West
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Psychopixi
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posted on 22/4/2003 at 11:59 AM |
I think that quite a few Pagans and Wiccans today do only focus on
the positive aspects of their respective paths - the light and the dark are
supposed to be in balance and I see Dark Paganism as embracing the dark
as well as the light. Knowing that dark is not necessarily bad and
evil, just the opposite of light. There has been so much media portrayal of
Pagans as being devil-worshippers that many people now try to exclude
anything that could possibly be taken in a negative way. Like DM said this
can become harmful for them - like bottling up rage as opposed to finding a
safe and creative channel for it.
To the people that laughed, or put down this religion I would say that it's
fine to have your own opinion - if you don't believe in something then
that's fair enough, but would you have reacted in the same way if a
question was posed relating to Asatru, or Imbas, or another religion that
you personally don't follow? Or did you respond the way you did because you
thought that it sounded cliche and so dismissed it as 'fake' or 'made up'.
Just something for you to think about. ____________________ Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life. |
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VampCourt
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posted on 22/4/2003 at 08:34 AM |
Well put, Callei ____________________ "Thou shalt not be afraid of the dark, nor of graveyards nor ghosts nor the
devil, for thou art scarey and mean." -The Goth commandments
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KatB
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posted on 21/4/2003 at 04:32 PM |
Why don't you read something before you attack?
Don't go aggro - a theme was brought up that most knew nothing about, and
I for one awaited some clues from the one person who claimed to know
anything about it.
____________________ All stressed out and no one to choke...
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callei
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posted on 21/4/2003 at 04:08 PM |
" Did you ever notice that people get a little angry when someone else
makes fun of their religion when it doesn't seem to be in good fun?"
It seems that the concept of dark pagan and dark wiccan are threatening and
bizzare to those that follow on of those two faith groups let me put that
more plainly; "dark" makes it sound like a bad joke at the expense of
Pagans and Wiccans.
Also I have never heard of an Eastern culture that thinks of Tao as "good
bad", i have only ever heard that as part of western cultural
interpretations based on thiier religion-social structures.
From a total outsider's point of view, it seems like "dark" (insert faith
here) is a Christianization of the base faith. that is how it seems since
to my knowledge there is not "dark side" of any naturalistic faith
structure and because christians are about the only religion that fear the
night. ____________________ Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and
vampires
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Sardonic-Pain
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posted on 21/4/2003 at 12:45 PM |
Dark paganism that is a new one on me.....I am Wiccan and have been for a
number of years now and well I honestly don't believe in any such thing as
a Dark Pagan or a Dark Wiccan......See The way I see things is that there
is no light with out dark there for there must be balance.......In nature
there is both good and evil so what is the point in just focusing on
one....If I understand the beliefs of this so called "Dark Paganism" and
"Dark Wicca" it kinda go against the true beliefs of not harming those
around you as well as yourself.....maybe I am ignorant on the whole subject
I just know what I have read and what not and this is just me and what I
believe not that I am one for bashing one's beliefs BUT "Dark Paganism" and
"Dark Wicca" Just doesnt seem right to me based on what I have studied ____________________ My Life is like a porno-Without the sex-Just the weird music |
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