MystryssRavynDarque
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 10:21 AM |
I tested out your theory on smoking nasty cigarettes Bettie. Cloves are
really nasty if you light them and then have to put them out and save them
for later. Their flavor gets all yucky. I did that yesterday and I didn't
want to smoke anymore after that one...I could smoke a good one today
though hehe. ____________________ "People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
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bettie_x
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 10:15 AM |
aw *sniff* this is so cute.
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feralucce
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 09:03 AM |
Court: and as I said, schiz made it clear to me as well... I saw your
point... and it did seem as an attack... adn that was what I was upset
about... hugs ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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VampCourt
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 08:26 AM |
Schizo:That was Marvelouse. I wish i had the abilitys to write out a grand
explanation like that, because you made it more clear for me than *i* did.
i think thats really my problem.. I dont have good skills to put out what
im trying tro put out. i get frusterated and just fling what comes to my
mind first. But thankyou for sorting that out because i was getting really
tired of having to keep going with this thread.
Feral: As i was reading through schizos post i saw that perhaps you felt
that i was saying to you that i thought you were a rapist or a child for
thinking a gun in the hand of a woman is sexy. I was not tryimg to say YOU
were a rapist. I really was saying YOU as in Anyone. does that makes sense?
And yes you are right, it did not have a place in this discussion,
however, some mentioned the girl holding a automatic weapon, and i retorted
that i dont find that to be sexy nore arousing. that i found it scary.
Any-yow, Im not mad or full of hatred twards you Nore kender, i'll admit at
first i was a fucking stick of dynamite reading to explode because its been
a really hectic emotional week for me.. and it just clicked in my head, and
i turned into a ultra mega bitch. Or, you can just call me the typical
virgo.. -laugh-
I would also like to add, that im looking at this in a realistic point of
view.. Movies and video games and anime are one thing. thats all fantasy.
a made up perfect world where people can walk around with guns and look
cool and confident and sexy. What im talking about is reality.. if i saw a
girl that was considered to be attracrive, walking around in public with a
automatic weapon, fully loaded, i would be intimidated and scared as i hate
guns. They honestly bother me.
[Edited on 8/2/2004 by VampCourt] ____________________ "Thou shalt not be afraid of the dark, nor of graveyards nor ghosts nor the
devil, for thou art scarey and mean." -The Goth commandments
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feralucce
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 07:48 AM |
Schizo: as always... you have the ability to find what is going on and
distil it...
I agree with 98% of what you said... and the other 2% I make concessions
to...
court: i do feel your point was more than valid... but I also felt that it
had no place in this discussion since we weren't discussion domestic
violence, nor abuse to either gender being sexy... BUT I am sorry for
coming down like I did in my essentially socially retarded way, and not
explaining myself in a clear and understandable way...
Kender: Schizo is right... evidently I missed that comment entirely, for
which I am guilty... but dude, that wasn't cool...
[Edited on 8/2/2004 by feralucce] ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Schizo
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 02:47 AM |
Is it OK if I step in and try to sort things out?
Feral (and a couple others) mentioned how they find a woman with a gun
sexy. To them, it symbolizes power and confidence, mingled with a little
danger (oooh, the adrenaline rush). However, Court does not agree. She
has a very strong view, strong to the point that it becomes almost
personal, that a gun in the hand of a woman symbolizes fear, vulnerability,
and powerlessness.
Perhaps this would not have become so nasty if A) Court had not made that
universal statement about rapists and little boys, and B) Kender had not
made that rather cutting jab about comprehension skills. Perhaps this
discussion would not have degenerated to a bar-room brawl if Court had
allowed that someone might see something in that image that she did not
(although she did add the "to me", it did not ring as loudly as the
original statement) , and Kender had been more understanding of the fact
that even the best of us misinterpret a post now and then, and a gentle
explanation is more effective than a resounding insult. Insults are meant
to drive people away, or at least piss them off. Explanations draw people
in, and create harmony, unless the other person is truly a shmengy idiot.
That is why it is best to make explanation first, and THEN throw an insult
if necessary.
Of course Feral is going to object to being labelled as a rapist or at
least a small child. And of course Court is going to object to being
jumped all over for a simple misunderstanding. I understand why Court
wants out of this bickering, because it IS kind of ridiculous, but I also
understand that Feral has a genuine issue with that statement. It hurt
him, and I think he wants Court to admit that his enjoyment of the image of
the gun-toting woman does not necessarily meant that he is immature, or
that he wants to abuse and take advantage of women.
As for the whole rape = violence issue, I think I see your problem there.
Court thinks Feral is playing down the violence of rape. Feral, however,
is pointing out that the violence in rape is the tool, not the goal of the
rapist. The average rapist wants power, and uses violence to acheive it.
If he were after violence alone, a simple knifing or killing would suffice,
in most cases.
Violence does raise adrenaline, which of course boosts the libido. This is
a well-documented fact. The adrenaline raised by violence, however, can
also be driven by fear. The difference between the violence Feral
describes and the violence Court describes is that Feral's violence is a
deliberate interaction between two consenting people who respect each
other's boundaries, and are using violence and/or images of violence to
enhance their libido's. Court is picturing one-sided violence where one
person (generally male) is using violence to over-power another person
(generally female), and the second person is using violence to stave off
the first person.
Also, Feral sees that a person with a weapon, who knows how to use the
weapon, and has the strength to use it if necessary, is a sexy person. NOT
the housewife backed into a corner, with her husband's pistol held in a
shaky grip, pointed at the rapist who is threatening her, but the calm,
cool, collected markswoman, to whom the power of the gun is just an
extension of the power she possesses in her mind.
Perhaps Court's objection to Feral's libido-enhancing violence is that she
feels it is making light of rape and other violence towards women.
However, as we all know, Feral has the greatest respect of women, and
certainly not make light of such a horrible thing.
Court's point of view is valid, and powerful. If guns and violence awaken
these images in her mind, and turn her off, she has the right to feel that
way. But Feral has his point, also. Both views can exist side-by-side.
Uncontrolled violence IS scary, and controlled violence IS sexy.
It is a pity that Court's strong and emotionally-tied feelings caused her
to misunderstand Feral's post. It is a pity that Kender lacked the
diplomacy to refrain from adding fuel to the fire, instead of pointing out
the misunderstanding in a respectful way. It is a pity that what could
have been an enlightening discussion on violence and guns, and its effect
on the libido, as contrasted to the violence of rape, decayed to a volley
of name-calling.
Perhaps if Feral and Kender can admit that Court had a right to be hurt by
Kender's overly-harsh correction (especially in the face of an
emotionally-charged topic), and Court can admit Feral's pain caused by her
comment likening him to a rapist or little boy, then this can return to a
worthwhile discussion, or at least be dropped. We are not enemies, and I
do not think that any harm was meant on either side. We DO have strong
opinions and hot tempers on BOTH sides. We also have intelligence and
sensitivity. Can we sort through the defensiveness and resolve this?
Please?
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feralucce
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posted on 1/8/2004 at 10:02 PM |
IT WAS NOT THE FUCKWAD COMMENT THAT I FOUND OFFENSIVE...
it was the fact that he made a statement, you respond... he responds, you
jump him...
I step in because frrankly, him being a newbie, the community on the whole
would have torn his throat out...
THought I might try being nicer once...
Now... kender has discussed in a logical manner with citations, and evolved
the conversation, attempted to move it along... you point about rapists
acting out through violencee is valid, but not in this conversation.... as
we are talking about a woman with a weapon... plain and simple... The fact
of the matter is that you pretty much stated that those of us that agreed
with him were fucking abusers... "Only amoungst rapist and little boys who
like to play games and would rather see a woman vulnerable and
powerless"...
Sooo... a) we find the woman with a weapon attractive, and b) only rapists
and little boys (yadda yadd) find women with weapons powerless... can you
see how that leads to c) since we feel a, we must be b?
NOW... cite me... please do... BANE dtarted the conversation WITH the
insults...did not seem able to keep citations right, outright denied his
own words, and insulted me again and again... only when he had devolved to
the point of just hurling petty insults did I mention fucko... but you are
right, I should have maintained my dignity and called him a rapist
instead...
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VampCourt
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posted on 1/8/2004 at 09:10 PM |
-sigh-
WELL, if we really do want to keep beating the damn dead horse.. let me
explain...
Your quote :
it is a well documented fact that there is a corralation between violencec
and arrousal
MY quote:
Only amoungst rapist and little boys who like to play games and would
rather see a woman vulnerable and powerless.. a gun you can kill someone
and go to jail.. however i would much rather see a woman with the power
that is her mind. THAT to me is sexy. Not some killing machine(AS IN A
GUN). The image of a gun in the hands of a women/men isnt sexy, its a image
of fear.. to me anyhow..
Do you not see what im talking about? Im voicing my opinion about said
subject. I dont find automatic weapon in a fucking girls hand SEXY. i find
it frightening. I say The only people that find that sexual are rapists
because I have read alot of psychological studies on people who have a
rapist profile and more times than not, some individuals Find arousal
through violence. You think im wrong? Well fine. you think that way.. im
only stating what i have read and feel is right. We are all diffrent, have
diffrent views on things.. and thats the way it goes...
And Im Being childish in calling someone a fuckwad? Excuse me? He who
generously dishes out the word FUCKO on these forums? huh. interesting. I
wasnt aware, ONE person could sling insults on this website.
whatever. Nice try. I think its perfectly VALID for me to defend myself
and i think its perfectly valid for me to voice my opinions on things here
on this website. Wether or not i sound childish.You certainly do it quite a
bit as does everyone else.
I hope i have cleared things up for you. Im not out to start a big old
internet fight like some people live for.. im just telling it like i feel.
im a abrasive person i'll admit.. but im really harmless. Anyhow, This
topic is dead.
Peace
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devil, for thou art scarey and mean." -The Goth commandments
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feralucce
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posted on 1/8/2004 at 11:17 AM |
court...
what was offensive was the implications that someone is a rapist or a
fucking abuser because someone finds a woman empowered, able to wield a
weapon and doing so an attractive site... yeah, I KNOW you can go outside
and meet people who are much more offensive... but that is not the issue
Though I feel it necessary to point out, that you jumped on him first... he
is allowed to respond...
the fuckwad was not offensive... it was childish... so was the *smirk*... I
thought were mostly adults here... but hey... what do I know?
Oh, and what point were you trying to make? (goes reading the thread, but
can't find the point)
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VampCourt
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posted on 1/8/2004 at 09:44 AM |
eh.. whatever.. i made my point.. if the word fuckwad is so offending.. try
going out in public.. im sure you can find/see things far more offending
than a simple insult used in a forum. Sorry i went that path but hey, i was
feeling kindah jumped on for something compleatly assinine. perhaps mister
man should appologize for being rude. -smirk-
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feralucce
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posted on 31/7/2004 at 06:01 PM |
bettie: I have problems not with the misunderstanding... but the fuckwad
comment... it was...really uncalled for... as for the other stuff... It
seemed as if it was not stated as opinion, but insoluable fact... but from
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bettie_x
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posted on 31/7/2004 at 10:21 AM |
Look, she "wigged out" because she's one of the people who finds violence
(or images of such ie: "girls with guns") ugly, not attractive. That is
her point of view, she doesn't understand how it could be sexy, and to her,
sexuality/violence is dangerous, not sexy. ANd she is right, that rape is
violence, and YOU are right, that it's about power, but the connection is
that violence or images of violence induce a "power" feeling, because MOST
people equate the two as means to each other. Whether it's with a gun or a
knife.
So she misinterpreted something (and said she did). BIg woopie. That's
not common here, it happens all the time, and attacking her overall
"comprehension skills" in ONE forum on ONE topic is what set her off. It's
happened to all of us. ____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. |
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feralucce
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posted on 31/7/2004 at 08:41 AM |
Court... No offense... but you are getting pissy because he defended his
position when you implied that he (and i for that matter) are sadists or
worse ("Only amoungst rapist and little boys who like to play games and
would rather see a woman vulnerable and powerless.." ) then you started
name calling...
BTW... you comment about seeing a woman powerless really made no sense
since it was the WOMAN with the weapon that was hot...
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VampCourt
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posted on 30/7/2004 at 08:13 PM |
yah really.
I deleted my arguments. Why? because fighting on the internet is like
compeating in the special olympics..whoever wilns, you're STILL FUCKING
RETARDED.
Yah sure i could have edited what i said.. but quite frankly im LAZY. guess
that makes me LAZY Pretentious bitch.
and i dont feel like typing in circles around some twit who was looking for
an excuse to bitch someone out over WORDS ON A MONITOR.
Im done.
back to happy friendly mode.
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feralucce
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posted on 30/7/2004 at 08:11 PM |
*shakes his head and chuckles* ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Kender
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posted on 30/7/2004 at 06:25 PM |
quote: Sorry, i interpreted this
wrong, but dont you DARE throw a hissy fit at me over a stupid forum
answer. Just because i make a mistake in interpreting what feral says
doesnt mean that i require someone telling me that i need comprehensive
skills. You can bite my ass on that one fuckwad.
Anyhow.. this has gone WAAAAAAY off the topic of ciggerettes...
kender, DAR whatever... SIMMAH
[Edited on 7/31/2004 by VampCourt]
[Edited on 7/31/2004 by VampCourt]
As for the misinterpretation, this being a forum, it means you have all the
chances in the world to not misinterpret anything. As i'm sure you know,
all posts are underneath the reply box AND there is a "preview post" option
with all posts. So, your misinterpretation of any posts would be considered
a lack of comprehension. I'd give you the benefit of the doubt on that one,
except that Smeng also has this really convenient way of showing you your
post in the forum AFTER you post it. Now, i know that you know how to edit
a post, but this you did not do. Nor did you repost after your
"misinterpretaion' to say that you didn't understand what Feral said.
Oh, funny thing, if you look up the meaning of "misinterpret", you get
COMPREHEND as a synonym. Strange that, isn't it?
As for the Hissy fit portion of your amusing reply, at least your last
couple of posts in the forum can be "interpreted" (there's that silly word
again) as being what you would call "a hissy fit". I'd actually call your
posts " over hormonal indulgence" or just plain "Bitchiness". Which brings
me to my next point...
I managed not to get to any name calling, but since you want to play that
game, i'm more than happy to. You called me a fuckwad. You must
still be confused because i can at least fucking COMPREHEND what is
on my computer monitor. I think that makes you and illiterate fool, not to
mention a Heinously Pretentious Bitch. Take a pill (you know which one)
and then head on back to the forum. ____________________ Fuck the Rest of You.
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Kender
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posted on 30/7/2004 at 03:11 PM |
Did you even read anything Feral said? Because i think all you heard was
"I was saying violence...and it has nothing to do with rapists"
Do we need to start a forum about basic comprehension skills? ____________________ Fuck the Rest of You.
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feralucce
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 09:28 AM |
oh... by the way... 96% of rapists prefer to use a knife... it is more
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feralucce
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 09:26 AM |
actually court... I said nothing of a machine... I was saying
violence...and it has nothing to do with rapists... THAT is power based...
violencee is just a means... there is well documented proof, that due to
our genetic pool being drawn from primate origins, that violence stimulates
in BOTH sexes...
i understand where you are coming from... but someone that knows how to use
weaponry, to a statistically significant portion of the population is
reassuring as they are in conrtol of thier dedstiny... not a victim...
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VampCourt
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posted on 29/7/2004 at 07:51 AM |
quote: it is a well documented
fact that there is a corralation between violencec and arrousal
i personally thing that the pool queue, living in redneck ville is scarier
Only amoungst rapist and little boys who like to play games and would
rather see a woman vulnerable and powerless.. a gun you can kill someone
and go to jail.. however i would much rather see a woman with the power
that is her mind. THAT to me is sexy. Not some killing machine. The image
of a gun in the hands of a women/men isnt sexy, its a image of fear.. to me
anyhow..
and yes, people can say to me that i have drawn such images before.. but
ive grown up and learned to relize this fact..But fantasy is fantasy and
reality is reality. if i saw a person who was considered a sexual desired
being walking around with a semi automatic weapon in public i wouldnt find
them to be sexy.. i would them to be slightly unstable and scary...
just trying to look at things with a diffrent perspective.. and apollogies
for now responding to this the way i should in the first place.. i havent
been very awake
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