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Passenger
Occasional Poster Posts: 20 Registered: 2/2/2008 Status: Offline
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posted on 3/2/2008 at 01:27 PM |
I wrote this a while ago.
Feel pity for the weak for their lives are just as precious as yours, to
fell pity is to understand what the weak is going through. Love your
enemies, cause their llives are precious too, maybe not to us, but to
somebody, the value of another being is important. Without value, live
would carelessly be thrown away.
It's no worse being weak then when you are strong, When you are weakm the
strong protect you. but when you are strong, who do you turn to? to be weak
is to help the strong, for the strong have a need, the strong has to have
someone to admire them, who looks up to the weak? When you are inbetween-no
one cares.
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Stille
Occasional Poster Posts: 42 Registered: 3/10/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 3/2/2008 at 11:42 PM |
I'm not sure you can differentiate like that between strong and weak
people...perhaps it would be better to talk about strengths and weaknesses?
The need of admiration you talk about is actually a weakness, a dependency
on something external that leaves you vulnerable. I wonder if you can put
an equal sign between weakness and depending on external things. I also
wonder if this really matters; not only is trying to avoid all dependencies
impossible, but it also makes you give up plenty of possibilities. |
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littlegothgirlthatcould
Member Posts: 100 Registered: 13/2/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 4/2/2008 at 11:39 AM |
Poem? Song?
Enlighten me please. ____________________ [[Ive learned too many things to let life pass me by now. Ive grown up and
learned my lessons, this is the beginning of the future]] |
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MystryssRavynDarque
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 648 Registered: 24/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/2/2008 at 11:51 PM |
I recommend that you not say it is a poem. If you do, you'll see why. ____________________ "People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell |
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Bob
Occasional Poster Posts: 14 Registered: 18/8/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 23/2/2008 at 07:46 PM |
whether labeled so or not, it is a poem. |
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littlegothgirlthatcould
Member Posts: 100 Registered: 13/2/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 25/2/2008 at 10:23 AM |
I recommend that you not say it is a poem. If you do, you'll see
why.
Then:
whether labeled so or not, it is a poem.
Well then, MRD, could you enlighten him on why not? or why? whichever you
prefer ____________________ [[Ive learned too many things to let life pass me by now. Ive grown up
and
learned my lessons, this is the beginning of the future]] |
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Psychopixi
Fanatic Posts: 376 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 26/2/2008 at 04:31 PM |
Actually it seemed a little more 'stream-of-thought' to me.
quote: to fell pity is to
understand what the weak is going through
I'd argue that pity might be rather condescending, and doesn't mean you
understand what they experience.
quote: Love your enemies, cause
their llives are precious too, maybe not to us, but to somebody, the value
of another being is important.
Again, I'd argue over your use of words. I do not, will not and can not
love an enemy. You can show compassion towards them, if you are in a
position to do so, because they are human too, but I don't see how anyone
can profess to truly love their enemies.
quote: When you are weakm the
strong protect you
Do they?
quote: the strong have a need,
the strong has to have someone to admire them
Umm, no. I'd say that if you need the admiration of others, you are
weak yourself. ____________________ Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life. |
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Passenger
Occasional Poster Posts: 20 Registered: 2/2/2008 Status: Offline
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posted on 27/2/2008 at 06:40 PM |
quote: Actually it seemed a
little more 'stream-of-thought' to me.
probably was...
quote: to fell pity is to
understand what the weak is going through
I'd argue that pity might be rather condescending, and doesn't mean you
understand what they experience.
I thought about it and perhaps I was searching for the right word,
maybe the word is closer to empathy.
you make good points pixi
quote: Love your enemies, cause
their llives are precious too, maybe not to us, but to somebody, the value
of another being is important.
Again, I'd argue over your use of words. I do not, will not and can not
love an enemy. You can show compassion towards them, if you are in a
position to do so, because they are human too, but I don't see how anyone
can profess to truly love their enemies.
Hmm , enemies, you do not love your enemies, perhaps you are angry or
indifferent?
you can love someone and hate what they do. I think love has to do with how
you feel inside, so a person could love an enemy, it is the way they act
and what they do that makes you not love them, not to justify it, but if
you walked in their shoes, you might understand, even enemies have good
qualities,,it's like a whole different world inside your enemies head. of
course looking at the good qualities of an enemy can be positive or
negative depending on the way you look at. you know the old saying keep
your friends close, but your enemies closer. to make a foe a friend, know
your enemy but some would say why bother. well so we can prevent tragedies
for one thing. I probably don't make any sense.but oh well, better to be a
fool, then to be thought wise, Fools don't have to prove anything, the
wise Are forever debating who is the wiser. I saw a movie where one the
characters is thought to be dumb, but he knew all along what was going on.
Sorry for being a noisy idiot.
this might not have to do with it but How can some people forgive other
people for hurting or killing a loved ones or friends and other people
can't even forgive an insult?
Does forgiveness come from love, empathy, something else?
quote: When you are weakm the
strong protect you
Do they?
Ahh, Some do, some don't,
quote: the strong have a need,
the strong has to have someone to admire them
Umm, no. I'd say that if you need the admiration of others, you are
weak yourself.
True Admiring someone blindly is a weakness, but I think their are
traits , values and qualities to be admired in people. Admiring a person
you like is alright, as long as you don't admire the wrong person., yes i
do contradict myself sometimes.
sometimes I admire people, sometimes i don't.I admire my enemy's
persistence, some times I like my enemy better than his equipment (Sp?) I
like to collect all the pieces.
but I admire great thinkers, I admire brave people, I admire witty people
but maybe because I lack witticism in myself, I could go on, |
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Psychopixi
Fanatic Posts: 376 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 28/2/2008 at 02:49 AM |
quote: Hmm , enemies, you do not
love your enemies, perhaps you are angry or
indifferent?
I don't think I know anyone at the moment who would really qualify as my
'enemy'. I mean, there are people that I dislike, but no-one worth calling
an enemy. As for the people dislike, I think aside from the obvious
feelings of dislike, they frustrate me - but that's about it.
quote: you can love someone and
hate what they do. I think love has to do with how you feel inside, so a
person could love an enemy, it is the way they act and what they do that
makes you not love them
But that's just it - why would an enemy evoke feelings of love in you?
Surely by the very actions which cause you to label them as an enemy, they
give you reason not to love them?
quote: even enemies have good
qualities,,it's like a whole different world inside your enemies head. of
course looking at the good qualities of an enemy can be positive or
negative depending on the way you look at.
Yes, they can have a great many positive points; you can respect their
intelligence, or charisma, but being able to appreciate their good points
surely won't change whatever it is about them that caused you to regard
them as an enemy.
quote: this might not have to do
with it but How can some people forgive other people for hurting or killing
a loved ones or friends and other people can't even forgive an insult?
Does forgiveness come from love, empathy, something
else?
I guess it's a trade-off between how much you care about the person
you're forgiving in relation to how much they hurt you, and whether or not
you're ready to move on.
If your partner cheated on you, but professed a genuine remorse for their
actions you might forgive them partly because you love them, and partly
because their remorse would help you move past the pain they caused you.
quote: True Admiring someone
blindly is a weakness, but I think their are traits , values and qualities
to be admired in people. Admiring a person you like is alright, as long as
you don't admire the wrong person.
Ye-es, but you were talking about the need to be admired, not to
admire someone else.
Anyway, I more or less agree with what you said in the above quote.
Admiring someone is like saying that you recognise they have qualities A, B
and C, and you think those qualities are desirable, or good. This is all
well and good, provided you keep looking at it that way round; if you
admire someone based on certain qualities they have, the fact of your
admiration does not mean that all qualities that person has are
equally desirable though.
Person X has quality A. You admire quality A, so you admire person X for
that particular quality. Okay.
You admire person X. Person X has quality A, so you admire quality A
because person X has it. Not okay. ____________________ Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life. |
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/3/2008 at 12:23 AM |
I hate with my whole heart. I love with my whole heart. I'm stingy with
both, and I'd not do anyone the diservice of muddying the waters by going
at it piecemeal. What I dont' hate/love about the person, I can learn to.
I"m an adaptable ape. Straightforward gut emotion is so divine, I would
hate (wholeheartedly!) to pull it apart and make it commonplace.
____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. |
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MystryssRavynDarque
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 648 Registered: 24/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 28/3/2008 at 12:45 PM |
quote: I hate with my whole
heart. I love with my whole heart. I'm stingy with both, and I'd not do
anyone the diservice of muddying the waters by going at it piecemeal. What
I dont' hate/love about the person, I can learn to. I"m an adaptable ape.
Straightforward gut emotion is so divine, I would hate (wholeheartedly!) to
pull it apart and make it commonplace.
I remember being told at some point in my life that if I was going to do
something I should do it with my whole heart in it. Also, i was told,
"Don't do a half ass job." Sounds about the same to me. ____________________ "People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is
the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell |
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Pandora
Coward Posts: 4 Registered: 13/4/2008 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/4/2008 at 01:08 PM |
Preciousness is relative. What I value may not be what you value. Not to
go around trashing things wantonly because I don't have any use for them,
but some people I just plain don't have any use for and I'm not going to
pretend I do.
Everyone is "the weak" at some time or other, some more than others of
course. I think it's a little pointless to categorize "the weak" like
that. If you are pitying the weak, you are pitying yourself. And it
doesn't mean you understand what "they" are going through. First step
might be for you to try to understand what you are going through yourself -
that's tricky enough for most people. I know that if I were having a weak
moment, I'd get pretty damn ticked at someone for pitying me and pretending
that meant they understood me.
Love my enemies? Yes and no. My enemy has value because they teach me to
be strong. To be on my guard. Beyond that, if someone is my enemy it's
because they have chosen to mess with me. To me, love is a very practical,
active thing, and I'm not about to go wasting that kind of effort on
someone who wants to deliberately mess with me when I could be giving it to
someone who would return the favor. My enemies matter only as long as I am
thwarting their efforts or learning from them, and then they can disappear
into the shadows for all I care. I don't care who else values them -
that's up to them. Not my concern.
When you are weak, the strong might protect you, but then again, they might
not. Being weak happens to everyone, no biggie. But I'm not going to
pretend it's good. It's not. It's dangerous. When I can, I purge
weakness. When I can, I try to live like there is no strong person to
protect me. And when I am weak and I do find a strong person giving me a
hand, I make sure they get honor in return because they didn't have to.
And I may need them later to come along and help me. But I will do my
utmost not to need it.
The strong have it just the same as the weak, only they are in less danger.
They may, or may not, have someone to come along and help at any given
time. At the very least, the strong have themselves to turn to. Lonely,
but it works in a pinch.
But once again, there is no "the strong" and "the weak". We are all strong
sometimes and weak others. You can't categorize like that.
Admiration is relatively unimportant. When I am strong, it's not for the
admiration. It's for survival. If someone admires me, great. I don't
need it. I'd rather have a bond of mutual respect and giving with another
strong person, with admiration as only a pleasant side effect.
As for no one caring about the in-between... what the hell is that supposed
to mean? We are all in-between, at varying levels. I consider myself
in-between, and I know several people who care very much.
In the end, it sounds all nice and poetical, but it has little ground in
reality. That's my two cents. |
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Passenger
Occasional Poster Posts: 20 Registered: 2/2/2008 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/5/2008 at 05:20 PM |
I am sorry, I didn't mean it to be saying that. the whole thing is kind of
silly I guess., you all make good points.
I know that we are weak sometimes and strong in other times. |
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