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Author: Subject: my ignorent peers.

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  posted on 1/10/2004 at 09:49 PM
I have found a great deal of trouble trying to find myself a group of ordinary people to just sit down and have a conversation with. my peers are just far to juvenile, that or the a.d.d runs rapid in my town. I also cant speak with my elders, because Iím not of enough intelligence to converse with them. I find myself in a dilemma. stuck in what seems to be a gap of intelligence through the years. a 'maturity limbo'.

This all came to my attention tonight when I was in a heated discussion about the free trade agreement. being one of the few people who is poor in a rich town sitting down and talking to them revealed their stupidity. their unknowing bliss toward the rest of the world who doesnít have money was incredible. the only thing that struck me as to being more ignorant that that was their lack of caring toward the less fortunate.

the only thing that has been able to bridge this gap other than my rants to myself late at night has been talking to the masses gathered at shmeng. realizing all of this makes my terribly unhappy to think that I will be doomed to wallow in my own personal anti-social limbo until I find people who can converse about the same things as I.

I posted to see if anyone out there had any situations similar to myself and if there is anything you can do other than just waiting it out. Thank you for reading, and please excuse my lack of ability to convey my thoughts clearly.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 06:49 AM
I think I'm in "maturity limbo" too. I'm not sure I can offer you any valuable advice though, I just tend to do small-talk with the people my age and sit around and listen when I'm with the older ones.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 12:16 PM
You're right, you are far more intelligent than anybody else. Well done.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 12:59 PM
I'm not. I just don't share many discussion topics with peers of my intelligence. Which are quite many. And yeah, now I realise I sounded like an idiot.

*goes away muttering proverbs about shutting up*

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 01:03 PM
Well how do you fancy discussing the historical imagination in nineteenth centry Europe and Hayden White's work on Metahistory?

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 01:37 PM
Iím not familiar with it but Iím sure you know a outsized about of it.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 09:57 PM
Many of us have lived through this "maturity limbo". I still have a similar problem during family get togethers, but what you need to do is find something you all can talk about. Instead of you having to talk all of the time, why don't you take the opportunity to listen to the older people in your life which you say you cannot hold a conversation with. See if there is something that might apply to your life right now, or in the future. See what you can learn about the world around you. Even if the older people in your life are idiots, you can think in your head of ways to avoid their stupidity in your own life. As far as younger people go, be a teacher to them. They need to learn as much as you do. If there is something in a conversation you know something about, put your input out there and see if you receive a response. If the person corrects you, have them explain the correction. If you don't understand something, have someone explain it to you so you might understand and you might even be able to participate in the conversation a little more. Don't be afraid about not understanding something. I still don't know a lot of things, but when I don't, I ask. Questioning the world around us is what helps us to learn. Constantly be a teacher or a student to the world around you while you have time.

 

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  posted on 4/10/2004 at 12:14 PM
thank you for your responses. not I will be able to deal with it in more of a intelligent fashion than just sitting there like an idiot not saying anything.

 

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  posted on 5/10/2004 at 02:55 AM
Fuck the maturity limbo. Try. Forget about looking like an idiot if you say the wrong thing to the wrong person. If you arent intelligent enough to talk to older people then it isnt a maturity thing, and if you are then maturity doesnt matter. There are plenty of fucking stupid adults around just like there are idiot brats all over the place and it is only the authority automatically conferred upon them by their superior age that prevents them from being gunned down where they stand whenever they open their imbecile mouths.
Now back onto my point, if you don't just dive into the deep conversations then you will hear a lot of people's opinions and never get to express your own. People will understand that you cannot necessarily express yourself in as sophisticated a way and will also know that you havent the experience that age brings, but a naive opinion should be just as welcome as a cynical one in an open discussion.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2004 at 12:02 AM
I can only have a conversation with those who I respect and those who dont shit me to tears....i dont like having conversations with pissed people/drunk people....or stupid people unless they have a point. Seeing someone in a state of being drunk annoys me at how stupid we can be.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2004 at 01:53 PM
Mind you. drunk people can be funny as long as your not actually talking to them, they just wander and hurt themselves.

 

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fucking classy.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2004 at 08:02 PM
quote:
Mind you. drunk people can be funny as long as your not actually talking to them, they just wander and hurt themselves.
hmmm...maybe....it still annoys me..

 

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missing, when it happens."



"These scars are just for show, it's the ones inside that you have to worry
about."



"When I get into a fight, all I think is..."KILL HIM"..."

 

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  posted on 12/10/2004 at 08:47 PM
those who don't shit you to tears???

 

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  posted on 12/10/2004 at 09:00 PM
quote:
those who don't shit you to tears???
I dont know if you have heard it before, because you did not say, but it means people who dont annoy me.

[Edited on 13/10/2004 by Moinlen_Drigenu]

 

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missing, when it happens."





"These scars are just for show, it's the ones inside that you have to
worry

about."





"When I get into a fight, all I think is..."KILL HIM"..."

 

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  posted on 13/10/2004 at 09:29 PM
I had never heard that.... a phrase that I would be curious to learn the etimology is...

 

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  posted on 14/10/2004 at 05:36 AM
people being drunk annoys you at how stupid we can be?
WHAT ABOUT THE SOBER FUCKERS WITH NO EXCUSE?

 

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  posted on 14/10/2004 at 06:49 AM
Sorry kiddo that we all got so side tracked so quickly here...
suggestions for surviving the brain dead:
read things.
not just books, and certainly not just serious books. read silly things and comics and the opinion pages of the newspapers. read political rants by people with degrees and people with 9th grade educations. see if you can really tell a difference.
read pult fiction books from the turn of the century and before (they are at the library, if you take the time to look, and there are websites where you can read them for free) and see just how much and how little the western world has changed in 100 years. Read history books and conspiricy books (the biggest secret and the lives of roman emperors are both worth a glace). learn to see the difference, and more importantly the similarity, between the past, the present, and the future.

listen to talk shows, the stranger the better, and take notes so you can check up on the references they make to things you dont know about yet. listen to NPR and that man that talks about aliens taking over the world. Listen to Rush limbaugh and the other talking heads for anger and hate. Learn to hear the difference between fact and emotion and hope.

People watch. not just at cafes where everyone is putting on a show because they know everyone else is watching, but also at the supermarket, the parking lot, and the dentists waiting room. watch people try to live thier real lives and the lives they think they want to be leading. learn to see the difference between illusion, make up, and perception.

accept that some people are there to look at, some to talk to, and some to love and that there is no single person out there that will be all these things to you, except in your mirror.

and when you get really bored.... go to chat rooms and offer unpopular opinions (like satanism in the xian chatrooms, chastity in the sex rooms, and libritarian politics in the democratic party chat rooms). or masterbate... its about the same thing.

 

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  posted on 14/10/2004 at 08:33 AM
so talk to them and try to pick out there false truths? that makes sense ( if thatís what you were trying to say). and as far as reading goes, I real a lot already, that seems to be one of my few sanctuaries.

 

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  posted on 15/10/2004 at 05:58 AM
callei, all of those things are immense fun, but i think a little more subtlety in the chatrooms can be even more fun. ive done the trolling thing, as you well know, but i have found it far more entertaining to bring things out of people. try sparking a huge argument in a death metal chatroom by picking up on something unjustifiably discriminatory (it will happen) and gently prodding that nerve until a whole room is afire with accusations of homosexuality, ethnic origins (particularly amusing since there is no way of knowing) and puerile comments about family members. its far more rewarding watching them do it to themselves.
or how about something a little non-sequitarial, like libertarian politics in a satanist room, or chastity in the democracy party room. see if anyone can figure out where the hell it came from.
little national difference thing here, how old is ninth grade?
also could you post one of the sites from which i can view pulp novels at no charge. i keep getting 'if you wish to see what happens after chapter three, now that you have begun to care about what happens, subscribe to us for only $20 a month, ono.' repeatedly shouting 'BUT YOU SAID IT WAS FREE' at my laptop has done nothing to further my access to the novels.
finally, (nitpicking, but only because i care) libertarian, not libritarian. and JS mills definive work on the subject 'on liberty' is a great place to start learning about it, if you dont already know about it paleface.

 

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And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.

 

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  posted on 18/10/2004 at 01:52 PM
Oooh, you're going to hate me for this, but you spelled ignorant incorrectly... I'm such an ass.

But seriously, we've all been there. I find most people unappealing conversationally and don't seem to comprehend what motivates other human beings a great deal of the time. I feel sort of detached from the people around me, and wonder how the hell we could have anything in common. It's hard to find anyone on this planet to connect with, and often times when you do, they wind up having to exit your life, leaving you sort of stranded. Having a brain that makes you creative, imaginative, and intellectually curious can be a draw back in a youth culture that values the plastic existence of Barbie and Ken in their vapid persuit of the perfect bleached-out looks, the coolest car their parents can by, and whose only concern is scoring with babes and frat parties.

Huzzah for books, art, and web forums: means of escape.

 

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But by god we'll be sticking it to the damn cyborgs!

 
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