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Author: Subject: The Age Issue

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  posted on 15/7/2002 at 02:28 PM
So I get online. Check e-mail. Play some good music. Log into shmeng, laugh when it says "you are sin". i dont know. i find it funny.
Looking through people posts i see that the main way to retaliate to someone trying to give you a piece of their world is to call them "like 15". This happens in alot of places, specifically online (for obvious reasons). On Diablo, if someone does something you dont fully aprove of or agree with they are called "a newbie".
I havent posted for a while, after a chat with callie on aol or yahoo or something, ive given up on trying to associate with poeple on the internet. Its to flawed. In callie and Iīs convorsation, she left with calling me "like 15". I am 18, i will be 19 in less than a month. No, that shouldnt have been written, im not here to prove my age... sorry. Ive meet 12 yr olds with a better view either philosophically or religously than most 40 yr olds i know. mostly because at that age the mediocrity hasnt fully sunk in, their not yet jaded. I am not trying to directly attack callie, she is just my example, because i noticed she did this again when someone was e-mailing her. callie didnt like what she said, so she became "like 15". I dont quite understand the cut down? is it bad to 15 and opinionated? If s/he finds herself/himself wrong in a few years, good job for acctually catching it. If someone is being agressive in the thought that they are "right", then why say "your wrong! your like 15!". it seems like your doing the same thing back.
So that brings me to the question of intellegence. i dont belive that intellegence exists. One friend told me it is based on efficiancy, another book-smart. So if someone knew alot about computers, and another landscaping, who is more intelegent? the person who knew computers couldnt do sh*t about a yard. and ask the landscaper to build a computer? uh.. no. so which is more intelegent?

 

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  posted on 15/7/2002 at 02:30 PM
*and

Or is it an accumulation of expericances, which means you cant me "intellegent" without being old?

 

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  posted on 15/7/2002 at 03:09 PM
im actualy 15 so it wouldnt bother me all that mych but i do see where you are coming from. i neither defend nor condone the behaviors of thes on this site i dnt agree but i do understyand.. they mean to either hurt you and make themselves look better or make you feel better and hurt themselves...
either way.
i too have taked to a few rather intelegent 10-or-so yearolds its not that they are smarter and its not that the ideas are better they just have a different view of the world.. i think im still like that as much as i may be jaded i also try to keep an open mind about most things..
more people should try it.. its amusing to see things from anothers point of view (and amusement is NEVER bad!!!)

 

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  posted on 15/7/2002 at 03:56 PM
I think by calling you "Like 15", callei (not callie) is trying to give you a chance and the benefeit of the doubt. You shouldnīt be taking it so harshly. Well maybe you should since youīre not "like 15". We all remember how we were when we were 15, so most of us old jaded people will hope when weīre talking to somebody we find exceptionally tedious, that they are "Like 15". Itīs our way of holding out hope that the person weīre talking to has some promise of growing into a decent human being. Another really good reason not to take it too personally is that someday, you will be as jaded as us - and as much as you think you wonīt, youīll be saying it too.

 

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  posted on 15/7/2002 at 04:09 PM
Yes, I agree that it is the experiences a person goes through and their reaction to them that determines their wisdom. I completely agree that a ten year old can be far wiser than a 40 year old. I furthermore push that the reputed īwisestī man on the block can have trouble dealing with the hooker on the corner.

But generally, age determines experiences. The longer youīre living, the more chances youīve had to be in an educational experience. So, to generalize, people say that youīre 15 (I donīt know why 15 is such a magic number for you guys).

It would be the same as calling someone an neanderthal. I bet there might have been some very clean and civilized neanderthals, but people people generalize. Its a fact of life. Sheesh.

 

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  posted on 15/7/2002 at 04:24 PM
Well, Iīm 13 and Iīve been told I was wiser than a teacher. I think wisdom comes from how open minded you are. If your open to things then knowledge will follow and experience comes next. Or, experience then knowledge depending on the situation.

 

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  posted on 15/7/2002 at 05:58 PM
One thing i cant understand how does facial hair add 7 years to yor looks. Im only 18 but if I went into a bar im almost positive i could buy myself a beer. It kind of bugs me and it kind of doesnīt. 8-)

 

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  posted on 15/7/2002 at 10:00 PM
okay, for everyone under 21, this is life after 20: Decreased energy level (bad), incresed cynicism (good), no more intense emotions (bad), no more raging hormones (normally good but bad when yoo could really use them), and above all a jealosy towards those who havenīt yet made the mistakes yoo have.

It sure was alot more fun thinking yoo knew everything and knowing nothing than only knowing that yoo know nothing.

 

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  posted on 15/7/2002 at 11:15 PM
Also, most teenagers around that age think they know everything...all wise, that theyīve been there, done that, got the tee shirt. Some have..most donīt. I dontī think that kids that age, older or younger, are stupid or ignorant, itīs just when I was 15 *eek* I remember thinking I knew it all..had it all figured out and nobody else did...when I didnīt really know one damned thing. I thought I did, I was SURE I did...and when I hit life outside school I had a harsh reality lesson. Most kids that age that Iīve spoken to on the internet are like that...arrogant know it alls, think theyīre all wise and unerringly witty or deep. All well and good, mind you, but if not careful makes you come off as a jackass, and very very "15". I think thatīs the magic number because itīs SUCH an awful age...right smack in the middle. Still a teenager for years to come, older than the "kids" but still canīt drive a car. Can get into PG-13 but still have to go with your parents to a Rated R flick. Old enough to date and young enough to be afraid. Old enough to get into trouble, and young enough to not always fully understand the consequences. Itīs a horrible age to be...I hated it.
BUT (and a bigger one than mineīs becoming lately *shreik*) itīs old enough to learn while still young enough to leave room for lots for improvement, growth, experiences and reality checks when you need them the most.
Thatīs my 2 cents and change.

 

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  posted on 16/7/2002 at 06:48 AM
There is inteligence, and there is wisdom. You can be the most intelligent person in the world, but without the wisdom gained from experience and education, you have nothing to use it with. At 15, you donīt have a whole lot of experience, donīt take it the wrong way, but itīs true. I remember some of the things I said when I was younger. We used to have these great philosophical debates on the nature of whatever, if I used the same arguments today, Iīd look like an idiot.
If someone calls you a newbie, itīs because you donīt know what you are doing, you are new to the game. Well, that or you just have no clue what is going on. Newbies are the people that constantly ask questions about where everything is, sell the good items for way too little, then follow the PK into the woods because he wants to show you some "Really neato stuff". When you catch on and learn how to play, you cease to be a newbie, some people just whine about how much the game suck and continue to get killed.
Also monkeys are supposedly highly inteligent aminals, but I wouldnīt ask them to build a computer or to do landscaping.

 

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  posted on 16/7/2002 at 07:47 AM
I fully cope to being a jerk in unwanted private chats with people that want to tell me how cool they are. When i am faced with childlike logic i point out that flawed logic as best i can with as much energy as i am willing to put out. If you are boring me while saying mean things to me, i will not be polite for long. If you want to tell me how cool you are, youīd better be able to back it up with something other than things that make you uncool.
If you want to debate the existance of an xian god, go talk to someone who cares about that question. I dont care about that god very much but i still wont accept "because I said so" as a "reason" in a debate.
If you want validation that youīre blacks are blacker than mine, then do something that lets me validate you. I dont ascribe to the "Im ok, youīre OK" philosophy.
If you want to fill my email with slander, bad logic, and self engrandisement, remember that once it hits my mailbox, it belongs to me to do with as i see fit.
If you want to pester me late at night with bad logic and your insipid need for acceptance, then be prepared. I am not your friend automatically. I will not accept you automatically. I will not go out of my way to make you feel good about yourself automatically. I am not your teacher, friend, confidant, mother, or confessional automatically. To think that EVERYONE cares about your life is something that seems to only come from the people that are chronologically or emotionally "15" (and female strangly, talk about sex sneaking back into it!).
IF you need an emergency shoulder, I am all yours.
IF you need someone to rant at because your life just blew up, Iīm there.
IF you need to brag about something great, strange, life changing I am soooo there with you.
And maybe we will become friends.
Something to think about for all you people that keep being accused of being "15", what is it that everyone else that you talk to is seeing/perceiving about you that makes so many strangers think that you are younger than you are and not want to talk to you? Could it be something that you are doing instead of some strange conspiracy between lots of people to "get" you? Could it actually be you and not everyone else that you come in contact with?
Just a thought.

 

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  posted on 16/7/2002 at 08:13 AM
note: the "you" in this is non specific

I think a term that is being left out here is "emotional maturity". If you want to base anything on intelligence, look at Einstein, said to be one of the most intelligent men since we began recording human intelligence. The man had all the emotional maturity of a bag of old brocolli. There is a great wide chasm between being bright enough to do math or recognize a pattern and the ability to discuss such things with others. Itīs not your ideas or lack of them that are being attacked or maligned when you are being called an immature teenager ("like 15", "like 12", "like Pee Wee Herman", ad naseum) it is the fact that in a rational discussion based on the equitable trade of ideas and opinions, you tend to redort to "I know Iīm right, you just donīt understand me!" instead of: "OK, let me try putting this another way..." or "OK, what flaw do you think you see?" asking for the flaw in your own logic is a beautiful way to find a chink in the other persons logic. If you can stay calm and listen to what they have to say. Also, reaching out of the shadows and bitch slapping someone is not forgiven and forgotten just because you say "oops sorry, that wasnīt taken the way i meant it to be; you just donīt understand me." Itīs a sign of emotional immaturity and an inability to play with others.

Challenging societal norms is what its all about, but you have to remember that in doing so you are opening yourself up to the attack that is natural in any group. And, if you decide to challenge norms, you need to be willing to take the consequences. Case in point, I bashed IamSquid in an article I wrote quite a while ago now, he read it, probably thought to himself īwell, whateverī and went on doing the thing I bashed him for. I feel no need to say anything about it again because he feels it is enough of a part of himself to continue in the face of the criticism. (Squid, Iīm only using you as an example because you actually were mature about it, no offense) So remember, if you lash out, challenge those around you, or decide to back a party line, please be prepared to be treated as though you have earned the right to do so. If you later prove that you are incabable of backing up you decision with anything approaching a good reason, or argument, be prepared to be relegated to the mental wasteland of "like 15" and written off until you can prove you are capable of speaking as though you thought about your words for more than a split second.

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  posted on 16/7/2002 at 10:01 AM
you waited this long to log back in here because someone called apon your being "like 15". why run away? if you were so hurt by this you should have defended yourself. then maybe you wouldnt have been so looked down apon. things get solved faster if you take care of things right away instead of being intimidated. from my view point if i was in your situation i would have done something about it instead of letting it cool off and start it up again. *nods*

 

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  posted on 16/7/2002 at 11:23 AM
yoo bashed mee, Shade? I donīt recall that. Enlighten mee, when was this?

Oh, and I always take criticism as a helpful perspective on what I perhaps donīt see so Iīm rarley offended.

 

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  posted on 16/7/2002 at 01:17 PM
oh that?

the way I spell "yoo," "mee," and "yor," goes back to when I was 13. Itīd become a habit. Iīve gotten plenty of criticism for it before but itīs part of mee now so I canīt stop. Itīs not meant to sound like anything.

 

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die so i could watch, and then me die.






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  posted on 16/7/2002 at 11:09 PM
Well court most people like to take a stab when nobodyīs looking, so by letting it die down and letting people "forget" about it, then they can start it all up again, have all that nice, juicy drama, and seem oh so innocent. Remembering past posts between sin and C, itīs nothing new. C knows where I stand at least...Iīm not up right now for picking an argument that isnīt mine.

 

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  posted on 17/7/2002 at 12:35 AM
Iīm sorry...I really do believe that intelligence is more a sum of genetics and experiance than a product of age...but when your acting like an adolescent, of any age...
Iīm only twenty-one, on the grand scale of things Iīm still a kid, and a lot of times...I throw fits like a pissed six year old on meth...generally though, when someone tells me to knock it off and stop acting like a brat, I pull together.
Maybe itīs a way to wound someoneīs most prized possession, their pride and get them to take a look at themselves...
I also realized that at one point in time I had a coherent train of thought going into this post...but I completely freaking lost it...
God damn it...*scritch scritch* :roll:
Oh yeah,I really hate it when little kids show me up, and generally, a twenty-one year old can stomp the crap out of a fifteen or twelve year old...at least in my experiance...not that I beat down kids ALL the time or anything. It could be just enforcing the Gothic Foodchain.
Alright...where the hell am I now? :???:
Crud...

 

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  posted on 17/7/2002 at 05:29 AM
See, iīm almost 21...but if you try and get into an argument with me...you will loose. Not for the fact that i am right and you are wrong. Just the simple fact that iīm dyslexic. When i get aggitated or in a full blown arguement...i studder and mix my words and combine words...and if you get me pissed enuf...i will talk back words. Now that get interesting. Kinda explains my bad spelling.... Dolorosa can back me up on that one. hee hee :-P

 

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  posted on 17/7/2002 at 10:28 AM
I think there are different types of genius (an innate, latent area of experitise), but that the word inteligence tends to mean "ablity to solve multi step problems" so logic or math skills. I dont think that it is the most important type of genius, but it does have its uses; common sense, bridges, social theory to name a few.
I think that there is also emotional genius, visual genius, physical genius, rote genius, sexual genius, spiritual genius, orational genius, compositional genius, conceptional genius, and low animal cunning. ok there are surley others as well, but i cant think of them right now.
I think that each of us is a genius in some area and has to rely on intelligence and repetition in all the other areas to get by.
For example some people can actually light up a room simply by entering it, that is a kind of genius. Some people can get along with just about every animal. Some people can sing of draw or play baseball really well. Some people are even really innately good at a few things, instead of just one.
But intelligence, like what we get tested for with IQ tests, is just the ability to see patterns and act on those patterns. Language and Math are both based on patterns, so "intelligence" tends to be thought of as being good at math or at languages.
well those are my thoughts on it.

 

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  posted on 18/7/2002 at 07:10 PM
I like that Callei...
Whoa...we should make a forum to figure out what kindaī geniuses (geni?) we are...
And stomp underage kids!! stompa stompa! :lol:

 

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