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  posted on 18/6/2002 at 10:14 AM
Someone told me recently that an artistīs place in any society is to show that society new ways of thinking. This struck me as incontrovertably true.

If art is the way in which artists express themselves, and their purpose is to show us new ways of thinking, doesnīt it follow that you should be able to measure the quality of art by how well it expresses the artistīs purpose?

Therefore good art is art that makes you or the people around you think differently. Bad art is art that doesnīt do that.

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  posted on 18/6/2002 at 10:28 AM
I would say that the purpose is not always to make you think differently.
By that way of thinking, the Mona Lisa, which is a clasic painting, and a wonderful work of art, pales in comparison to the guy that takes paint enimas and sprays the canvas, causing you to think several different things, none of which are normal thoughts.
Now, if the ass painter could reproduce a work like the Mona Lisa, then he would by far be the better artist, due to the thoughts provoked by his work, and sheer talent. As it is though, he is simply a guy with a hose and some splattered canvas.

 

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  posted on 18/6/2002 at 10:45 AM
Does "think differently" include making people who donīt think do so?

 

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  posted on 18/6/2002 at 10:58 AM
What if the artist has no purpose?

 

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  posted on 18/6/2002 at 11:04 AM
Warning: a small art history rant

It is an accurate way to look at modern art: specifically made after Francisco Goya*. Before then art was about whatever the patrons were paying for, such as dukes paying homage to the saints and messiahs. Goya helped this transition over to the modern way of expression through art with his portraits of the British royal family and "Saturn Devouring his Children".
This was carried through Cezanne and picasso through the world wars and now is more widely accepted. For art that was made back then. Good art that makes this generation think will not be appreciated by the masses until the next.

* There were many arists before him (such as Hieronymus Bosch) but he was the first one widely accepted for works as a means of expression in the western world.

 

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  posted on 18/6/2002 at 11:51 AM
Donīt get me started on this....I will say however, that good art sometimes transcends thinking; it can give me chills, it can revulse, or it can elevate the mood and spirit of the viewer/listener/experiencer. Okay, enough with that. For the most part, I agree with you Devin - good art should push you into new (and often uncomfortable) ways of being.

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  posted on 18/6/2002 at 12:43 PM
If it inspires any sort of emotion or thought, then itīs SUCCESSFUL art. I would be just as happy with hate mail as with words of praise regarding my own art....fortunately I"ve not recieved anything nasty as of yet, but hey, Iīd still be flattered
Hate and revulsion are as strong as emotions as love and joy...both reaquire the same amount of energy, hell, a frown takes more energy to make than a smile, so thatīd mean theyīre putting even MORE into their reaction, so you could even say it was BETTER than an exclamation of joy.
You could even call thomas kinkadeīs sacharine candy coated overly dramatically lighted landscapes art because they make me want to BARF. I fucking HATE thomas kinkade...but he inspires in me the the emotion of pea soup ala linda blair... tho itīs probably not the reaction he WANTED or EXPECTED, itīs something
Every time a customer hands me a check with a thomas kinkade painting on it, it makes me want to stick a fork in their eye. But like I said, he inspired an emotion in one of his detractors, and hence, succeeded.
Anything truly great will not be appreciated by the generation it was created in. Most historic artists (albeit a few fortunate ones) lived and/or died in mediocrity or poverty, only to have their work resold for MILLIONS a decade, a bicentennial, or a centruy later, deemed "insighful" "visionary". They are simply ahead of the curve in their own time. Sucks but itīs true.

 

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  posted on 18/6/2002 at 07:50 PM
Iīm gonnaī have to agree with the whole, artists purpose is to show society new ways of thinking...itīs an ineffable fact really, even if the artist themselves donīt see it that way.
However...there are always those few people who see "pretty pictures" and only "pretty pictures" or ugly ones or whatever...thats when art takes a blow to the kidneys and you find out that there are Artists, and people who are good at making decorations. Iīm sure there is a pretty signifigant distinction there...
*sniff* mmm...monkey taco.

 

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  posted on 18/6/2002 at 07:59 PM
Iīm going to have to take up with Dolo on this one. Decorationmakers arenīt artists in my book. And I donīt agree with the politically correct version of the argument that if someoneīs expressing themselves, itīs good art.

I also donīt agree that the Mona Lisa is a good example to use to make that point. If I remember right, the reason people have always gone so nuts over that painting is because looking at it, you wonder what sheīs thinking about. That was a new way of looking at art back then. So it offered a new way of thinking.

Saying technical ability has anything to do with art has one huge flaw:

Mariah Carey is technically a far better singer than Peter Murphy

 

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  posted on 18/6/2002 at 08:50 PM
*gasp* BITE your TOUNGE!!! *gasp*
just kidding....
Nail on the head devin *wham*
I think the day I finally decide to put a bullet in my head is when I hear someone see one of my paintings and say "Oh, how WONDERFUL!!! This will go PERFECTLY in my living room, it matches my COUCH!!"
My parents are "decoration" art people. My momīs the type to see a wonderful painting of a nude woman and say "couldnīt they have put a shirt on that?" (sheīs actually said that to me over some of the work Iīve done, and of prints that I had on my walls) and my dad goes fucking NUTS for thomas kinkade...my dad would die happy if I painted like thomas kinkade.
I stick to if it makes your mind do a flip flop for a second, makes your gears grind, makes you do a double take or makes you feel something..ANYTHING...then itīs art. Not whether or not youīre widely accepted or if it matches the couches of half the so called "art patrons" in the world. If you make those "art patrons" wet themselves, youīve struck gold...you just wonīt realize it until youīre too old to care or youīre dead.
I remember watching a documentary on picasso, and how when he locked himself in a basement for months with naked prostitutes to create something called (Iīm so wrong so bear with me and if YOU remember the name, please refresh my memory) "the women/prostitutes/harolots of somethingorother" and people were APALLED..DISGUSTED..called it an affront to everything considered art. It about wrecked his career. A decade give or take later, it was revealed to the world a second time and they couldnīt get ENOUGH of it. Called it visionary, insighful, a MASTERPIECE.
Wierd. Or typical, I should say.

 

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  posted on 18/6/2002 at 11:44 PM
I never thought Iīd hear anyone compare Mariah Carey to Peter Murphey....

Anyway, to mee good art is not just an alteration of thought, but of emotion, idea, pretty-much everything. The better the art is, the more it effects my thoughts, emotions, etc.

I always disagreed with the life influences art, art influences life bullshit. Life IS art, art IS life.

 

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  posted on 19/6/2002 at 01:43 AM
Dude...I should be an artist...

 

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  posted on 19/6/2002 at 05:49 AM
How about good poetry?

A. E. Housman:
The Cherry Tree

"Loveliest of trees, the cherry now
Is hung with bloom along the bough,
And stands about the woodland ride
Wearing white for Eastertide.

Now, of my three score years and ten,
Twenty will not come again,
And take from seventy springs a score,
It only leaves me fifty more.

And since to look at things in bloom
Fifty springs are little room,
About the woodlands I will go
To see the cherry hung with snow."

 

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  posted on 19/6/2002 at 07:41 AM
Picasso: Everyone probably thought it was disgusting just because they were covering for themselves... They didnīt want to be known as perverts... (*looking at the picture* "Mary?!!" )
But after a while, enough people mustered up the courage to declare it good.

But I sort of side with the so-called "decorators"... I like looking at art that -looks- good. Sure, making something that makes me think is good, and usually what looks good, is a good thinking point... It inspires the imagination to carry beyond what is just in the painting/whatever.
I donīt go for stuff like DeKooning (however the hell you spell it) because its just paint... Your imagination cannot carry you anywhere based on that, besides trying to pick out shapes...
I went to an art museum, and there was a big (think mac-truck-sized) irridescent cube in a large empty room. The cube had some bubbles in it... But what is the freakinī point of that?!!
Art needs a base in reality. At least a base... Iīm not talking about ultra-realistic, with people exactly 7 heads tall, and buildings having straight lines. I mean that there has to be something that I can recognize in there, beyond the realm of abstract...
If not, then -THAT- is just decoration...

 

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  posted on 19/6/2002 at 09:14 AM
Everyone whoīs creative is an artist and likewise, everything thatīs creative is art, paintings, poetry, cinema, anything (hell, I sculpt with lego, Iīll post pics of my castle sometime).

Although certain art has no place in a gallery. I went to an art highschool and one of out discussions was how this guy got ahold of some kind of preserving fluid and dipped stuff in it. He sold a piece for like 20 grand that was just a bag of dunkinī donuts dipped in this preserving fluid. Everybody was freaking out calling him an idiot when I said anyone who can sell a bag of donuts yoo canīt even eat for 20 grand is genius.

Still that crap doesnīt need to be on display. We decided to silkscreen a Tshirt that said "I paid 20 grand on art and all I got was this lousy shirt," put it on a hanger and dip it in preserving fluid. I sure as hell wouldnīt bring my castle to a gallery.

 

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  posted on 19/6/2002 at 10:33 AM
i think that that theory is true. i think there is some art out there that just isnt really art. a paint splatter on a canvas is not art to me. that is lazyness. I think when a person puts thier all into a painting. actually spends time working with it.. Its much more valuble wether it be good/bad. as long as work has been put into it.

I myself speaking as a artist. I put alot of work into my pieces (computer/charcoal/paint/pen) I spend time with it and even when i am finnished with it.. i always look back and toggle with it.. because theres always room for improvement.

 

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  posted on 19/6/2002 at 12:36 PM
Does it have to be a new thought, or is it art if it makes you think at all? Think or feel, that is.

I think that is one element of art, and that there are other ones, too. Such as, art should have deliberate balance and harmony to it. You canīt just throw something together and expect to call it art, no matter if it provokes thought or not.

For example, Bettieīs work posted in this gallery. Definitely thought and feeling-provoking, and yet there is a flow and rhythm to it. It is beautiful.

So-called art which is only produced to shock is not art. It is just a reaction-provoker. Picasso did not produce his work with the intention to shock, but with the intention to portray a certain mood or essence that he perceived. The fact that his work shocked people was peripheral.

This is my opinion on the matter, for what itīs worth.

 

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I should mention that I find aestheitcs to be important to art but thereīs really no rules to aethetics other than the fact that certain people just like the way certain things look.

I think more important than provoking thoughts, emotions, etc, in others is how the work effects the artist, especially durring the creative process. Take for example Giger, I like Gigerīs work for aethetic reasons but more than anything heīs obviously sublimating alot of energy into his work.

 

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  posted on 20/6/2002 at 07:59 AM
Good point archituethus...(Did I spell that right?)
Art and Aesthetics need not be immutual concepts. Me...I must admit I fully enjoy a well created synthesis of the two. īCause hey...if it looks like crap, smells like crap...well...*shrug* It COULD be art...but itīs still definately crap...heh.

 

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  posted on 20/6/2002 at 11:11 AM
I think part of the problem in classifing art is that we dont have the right words for it. a hand made chair is art, a painting is art, a scribble with crayons is art etc.
When we say it makes us think or feel, we are being impresice i think. art could be that which makes us both think and feel at the same time. Typically we do one or the other, not both together. So when something provokes both thought and feeling AT ONCE, then it is art. That is i think what we all mean when we say "make you stop and think" or " makes us react" or "changes the way that we think".
it is art if it makes us think of home and feel peaceful/angry/lost/homesick/nostalgic/hungry etc AT THE SAME TIME.
It is art if it makes us thin about poverty/ the way that other people dream or sex, AND makes us feel something at the same time.
I think art is sincronatic in that it allows or facilitates a destinct paradiem shift in the human mind from linear to non-linear. it allows us to think and feel congruently allowing us to be more alive, more human, if only for a second.

 

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