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Author: Subject: Routine, the Scourge of Wisdom...

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  posted on 28/11/2007 at 01:16 AM
...or something.

I'm of the mind that routine destroys a person's potential for wisdom and intelligence, by oppressing the closed minded imperative. See, we do the same shit every day, because by doing this same shit, we've established some sort of sense of security and guidance when it comes to surviving in society, most especially because this is what, precisely, is awaited of the common man.

I can tell this by old people always saying the same stories over and over again; such examples show that the person has to keep reminding themselves that at some point or another in their life, they did or experienced something worthwhile. they learned something form it, and try to keep it alive by presenting it as some huge feat. Because other then this, routine destroys everything. it like, stalls your mental or spiritual progress...or some shit.

I thought I was miserable and suicidal when I didn't have a job and didn't know what I was going to do about the rent or food; but every day was an adventure, and I'm sure I've learned so much more shit form struggling like a jackass then I have been for the past three years. I have a job now and just do the same thing over and over again. Weekends are sought after for whatever freedom I can extract from it, and recap the shit I like to do. But it's not the same. It's like sniffing a book instead of reading it.

But I still don't want to end up on the street or jobless again. I don't know. Does it make sense?

[Edited on 28/11/2007 by Sorrow]

 

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  posted on 28/11/2007 at 02:58 AM
Certainly, today's set-up of the 40-hour work week and two-day weekend is a very artificial arrangement - a sort of hamster-wheel lifestyle which can be very numbing, and yet supplies security both for employers and employees alike, and as such, it makes sense. A sort of necessary evil.

A more natural arrangement, however, was, say, the subsistance farmer's lifestyle. Everything for its season, and a season for everything. Plowing and planting in the spring, caring for the plants over the growing season, a harvest, and then a winter to survive. And always, still, the daily routines of caring for animals, making food and clothing, and such. And yet, I am sure the farmer thought his routine difficult, numbing, and restrictive at times.

You could go further back, to the hunter/gatherer days, when things were less structured, and also far more dangerous. Less structure, but also far less security. You survived as long as you could kill your prey or find food growing, and you died when you could no longer manage it, or when something else decided you were food.

I don't think it really matters. I myself work a 50 hour week, and come home to be a single mom of a kindergartener. Not exactly a lifestyle fraught with freedom and adventure. I've achieved a certain amount of security that I am very proud of, but I also remember the days when I lived in a homeless shelter (and was a happy woman).

Generally, I think if you feel numbed or unhappy, it's your own fault and not that of your routine. I can find happiness wherever I am, and if I really find that a situation I am in is unhealthy, I have the courage to rock the boat and sacrifice security to change things.

Some people just seem to prefer to have numbed minds, some don't. It doesn't seem to have much to do with their circumstances or schedules. I can find adventure working in a factory assembly room (doesn't mean I wouldn't mind getting out).

Some people say "I want to go out and live my own life." They don't realize that this is a meaningless statement. You are living your own life right now. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Dig into it deeply, whether you are changing it or not. There's good stuff (and wisdom) to be found wherever you are.

Thus Schizo ends her sermon. Time to get ready for work.

 

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  posted on 28/11/2007 at 06:37 AM
Well, lookee here, boys. Somebody must have done gone to church 'cos God Almighty went and dropped a philosopher in our midst. Bow your heads low and say thanks, boys, 'cos them's mighty good eatin'.

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I'm of the mind that routine destroys a person's potential for wisdom and intelligence, by oppressing the closed minded imperative.


You're gonna have to define your terms there, boy. What's your purpose here? You looking for clarity o' thought or are you trying to bedazzle the teenies with a string of polysyllabics? You were doing so well until that comma came along.

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See, we do the same shit every day, because by doing this same shit, we've established some sort of sense of security and guidance when it comes to surviving in society, most especially because this is what, precisely, is awaited of the common man.



Awaited "of" or awaited "by"...? Let's clean up some of those prepositions. I've never met this "common man" you're on about, but I know what most folk have to look forward to, and that's a whole lot of uncertainty. You looking for security? Count on death and taxes. After that, it's all negotiable.

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I can tell this by old people always saying the same stories over and over again; such examples show that the person has to keep reminding themselves that at some point or another in their life, they did or experienced something worthwhile. they learned something form it, and try to keep it alive by presenting it as some huge feat.


Gonna need something closer to science in your survey there, boy. I reckon that there's as many reasons why old people tell the same stories as there are old people to ask about it. The reason this particular old person repeats himself is because young know-it-alls didn't listen the first time around.

Some might be reassuring themselves, and I'll place a wager that some are just amusing themselves with the tried-and-true. For some, I reckon it's what the boddhistavas call "habit energy"... they do the same things for the same reason that you keep breathing in and out every day without mixing it up a little bit. It's what they know. Repetition builds muscle memory and that's a hard habit to break. I expect it works the same way with your synapses; "As above, so below" and all that.

For still others, it could just be their wyrd. Don't flatter yourself into thinking you choose everything fresh from moment to moment. You do what works because it's time consuming and irritating to re-invent the wheel every day. You brain saves you a lot of frustration by switching on the auto for the small stuff. Be grateful it does that when you're not fussing over your doorknob on the way to take a piss.

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Because other then this, routine destroys everything. it like, stalls your mental or spiritual progress...or some shit.


You mean like the way practicing playing a guitar makes you less able to play it? Once again, you're gonna need to define your terms, boy. There's productive routine and non-productive routine. And they are both what you make of 'em.

Yeah, the Greeks thought work kept 'em from thinking. That's why they had a slave class to do the washing and mending and wiping of the philosopher's asses. The Italians figured professional moochery was a way around it and had rich folk patronize 'em. The Enlightenment geniuses were mostly idle trust-fund babies who had to do something to justify all their free time.

And then there was Einstein. Patent clerk when he came up with special and general relativity. Had a mind-numbingly tedious job and let the data-entry free up his gears for him. Just a matter of that muscle memory I was on about earlier. If you can't think and work, you obviously need practice. If you can't remember your profundities come Miller Time afterwards, buy a damned notebook.

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I thought I was miserable and suicidal when I didn't have a job and didn't know what I was going to do about the rent or food; but every day was an adventure, and I'm sure I've learned so much more shit form struggling like a jackass then I have been for the past three years. I have a job now and just do the same thing over and over again. Weekends are sought after for whatever freedom I can extract from it, and recap the shit I like to do. But it's not the same. It's like sniffing a book instead of reading it.


So, let me get this straight. When you were unemployed, you were miserable because you didn't appreciate what you had going for you. Now that you're working, you're miserable and you assume it's for a different reason? I don't think anyone's handing out solid gold houses and blowjobs... might be you're just gonna want something different and not appreciate the present no matter what it looks like. There's that habit energy the boddhisatvas keep going on about again. Food for thought, if you're not too busy.

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But I still don't want to end up on the street or jobless again. I don't know. Does it make sense?


"Want" factors into a lot when you're four. After that, not so much. My advice is to deal with what you have instead of wrestling with the fiction of what you want.

In other words, you're not paid to think, boy. Shut up and get back to work.

 

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  posted on 28/11/2007 at 08:33 AM
"I'm of the mind that routine destroys a person's potential for wisdom and intelligence,"
While I respect independent thought, I believe you are wrong. The most enlightened of our species were all creatures of habit and ritual. For once, am making no citations... don't believe me, do some research...

I do agree that we are becoming less...but it is not our work that is doing it... it is the air conditioning, the television, the cars and the easy nature of our work...the fact that we coddle the weakest of us. it is a departure from the natural order of ourselves that is causing all you have cited.

I can tell this by old people always saying the same stories over and over again you can't tell shit about what's going on in another person's head. Plain and simple - unless you are psychic, and I don't think you are, you would be a great deal more famous.

I do agree that you need more hardship... your instincts are being neglected and the fight for survival awakened you... go to th woods with nothing but a knife once a month.. experience what it is to live...

Does it make sense? no...not really

 

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  posted on 28/11/2007 at 01:33 PM
Great posts guys-awesome. Especially that Monolycus farmer man. Tell you what, I'll think about it at work and reply when I get back.
 

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  posted on 28/11/2007 at 01:38 PM
Monotony is the name of the game where I work. 12 hours a day comprised of the same shit over and over. It pays the bills very well so why complain. I used to be homeless but always actively looking for employment. Most any job you're gonna have is repititious...you didn't pick up on writing the alphabet by just writing it down once did you?
Seriously what freedom is there with no job? You have no money to do anything with and what are you doing with those 8-12 hours you arn't working? Probably nothing productive. Going through the motions of doing nothing all day, bitching about not having money and how unfair life is.
And then have the same piss and moan argument about how your job sucks and life is unfair.
So really its all just one big repetitive circle.

 

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  posted on 28/11/2007 at 09:47 PM
quote:
...that Monolycus farmer man.


Dadgum whippersnappers!

 

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  posted on 29/11/2007 at 09:01 AM
Great posts guys-awesome. I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not... so I will assume you are... in response I can only say... don't ask for an opinion if you don't want it

 

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  posted on 29/11/2007 at 07:34 PM
I don't think it's sarcasm. I think it's honest enjoyment of a good discussion, whether or not all points are agreed on.

 

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  posted on 29/11/2007 at 08:23 PM
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I don't think it's sarcasm. I think it's honest enjoyment of a good discussion, whether or not all points are agreed on.


That's also how I took it.

 

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I don't think it's sarcasm. I think it's honest enjoyment of a good discussion, whether or not all points are agreed on.


That's also how I took it.


I was too busy tilling the soil to work out how it was intended...

but if he's still on the job mulling things over, I'll concede that he does work longer shifts than I do. Been what, two days now? Cesar Chavez apparently got me a better union than this guy has.

 

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  posted on 30/11/2007 at 06:18 AM
Still think it was sarcasm...just the way it was worded... since work was his cosmic oppositional force..couple with the fact that he normally responds within hours... and most people..when expressing an enjoyment of a conversation... do not word it in that manner... from many years of forum usage.. that response dos not seem sincere... or... he is more socially inept than I... which I find VERY hard to believe...

 

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  posted on 30/11/2007 at 09:25 AM
But Feral, he added a smiley face at the end. A SMILEY FACE . Surely that is meant to put our hearts and minds at ease when it comes to the subject of good intentions.


And Mono, you have to be the damn sexiest philosofarmer I've ever seen.

 

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  posted on 30/11/2007 at 05:56 PM
My personal take was a certain degree of condescension. Like he was preening himself on having awoken intelligent discussion. But I could be wrong. I'm still having trouble making head or tail of some of his sentences. Trying to figure out if he is trying to be obscure, or actually does not quite know how the English language fits together. Some of his responses seem to indicate a certain level of effort spent on being deliberately unclear. It's funny how some people seem to think that is a sign of superior intelligence.

Not saying there isn't a time and a place for artful obfuscation... but it shouldn't leave one wondering if the author is ignorant or pretentious.

Bah. I don't have time for this stuff anymore. Wake me up when someone shows up who actually knows how to communicate.

Sorry if I sound snarky - I'm exceptionally tired tonight.

 

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  posted on 30/11/2007 at 10:28 PM
Widow: and we all know my view on smileys!!! I did not get a college degree to communicate in a crude system of pictograms... I am sooo opposed to them, that I don't even notice them anymore...

 

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  posted on 30/11/2007 at 10:34 PM
Jesus fucking Christ, Feral... we finally have someone in here actually starting a constructive discussion, and all you can do is complain about potential sarcasm? Grow the fuck up.

I would have said something earlier, but I have been having computer problems and haven't been on for a few days. I was very pleasantly surprised to see a conversation going. I hope it continues going.

Sorrow, continue discussing. I hope to see more lively activity in the future.

And Schizo... WTF?? Artful obfuscation?? Isn't that what this place was BUILT on?

We can sit around and bitch about wording, grammar, suspicions-of-insults-that-are-in-our-own-heads.... or we can shut the fuck up about supposed "flaws" and have a nice, long thread about something that doesn't involve attention whoring.

This isn't anything personal for either of you, by the way... but it is DEFINITELY snarky, and so help me, if people don't stop being fucking babies and chasing away anything good around here, it will get a WHOLE LOT snarkier.

 

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  posted on 30/11/2007 at 11:16 PM
MJ: I am me...I am the same me that you have defended. I, in this case have been calm, and discussed with no hostility whatsoever... I did not bash, I did not get shitty nor did I rant...

and all you can do is complain about potential sarcasm
go back and read before you jump me for making one comment on the sarcasm... I was the one primarily discussing with him untill recently...

so in this case..I say with respect...

fuck off...

don't get on me for being me...


 

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  posted on 30/11/2007 at 11:41 PM
Well, this certainly hasn't broken any routines.

 

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