Anya
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posted on 20/7/2003 at 09:25 PM |
http://www.msnbc.com/news/938385.asp
Yay...watch out you "evil music stealers on the net." *sarcasm*
[Edited on 7/21/2003 by Anya] |
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 16/11/2004 at 05:59 AM |
i really hate to crack into this debate with more music stuff, but im going
to.
feral, when i said 'killing music' i was referring to the big company
slogan, 'piracy is killing music' i still think that there is a lot of good
stuff out there. unfortunately there is even more cloning and photograph
pop, which is my opinion of the death of music.
music, as an art form, should be original, unless it is being
self-referential, which i dont think most of the bands around at the moment
could even conceive of, and all of this samey stuff is unartistic, which i
feel is the point of music.
im not sure if this was a retort or an observation on your part, but i just
want to ake it clear that although i will in conversation say 'this is
crap' that is an opinon. when i say that someone is talentless i really
mean it. its not an 'i dont like it so they are talentless' issue, its a
filters over the voice, unoriginal songs, bad, or less than really good
instrumental work, not being able to hold it together live issue.
onto the capitalism is killing art and stuff debate, mono, i agree
wholeheartedly bt even if you went up to each american, hit them on the
head with a shovel nd explained to them step by step why something is
better they will not agree with you. same with most english people, most
french people, most german people, etc. for many many people change is not
good. the mere fact something is different is a reason that it is bad, so i
reckon that feral is equally right on that point in that, actual
definitions aside, he is saying the same thing. as ive just noticed he
points out.
feral. if i were eligable id vote for you on those grounds. could i tack a
wealth redistribution on there or do you actually want to get elected
rather than just point out to people how stupid they are for not voting for
you? because i think the latter would be quite fun. 'i offered you real
democracy, more freedom, the two things this country is supposed to stand
for. you called me unamerican and didnt vote for me'....ah but i can dream ____________________ Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
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feralucce
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 05:24 PM |
your point and mine are roughly the same... semantics aside, it is all the
same.,.. ignorance and momentum... The idiots are the masses, and as such,
the enlightened willmake no change... I hate capitalism, the majority does
not... I hate bush... the voters, at least according to investigations, do
too... he is a thief and did not win the election... one victory at a
time... in 2012 I am considering running for president... on the platform
if minimilization of government, and legalisation of victimless crimes and
abolition of the electoral college... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Monolycus
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 05:11 PM |
feral: I strongly, although respectfully disagree with you. It is not a
question of what is "preferred by most Americans". You were correct the
first time when you said that it exists because "we accept it".
Most Americans might be ignorant of the fact that other sytems exist or
that the corporate structure as they know it has only been around for about
a hundred years or so. They probaly don't know how unhealthy it is for
them physically, psychologically, spiritually and fiscally to prop up this
system.
They are probably too apathetic to look into alternatives or discover how
beneficial different ways of doing things are.
They are probably too lazy to give up their "conveniences" and "luxuries",
despite the fact that these are the very things that are making thier lives
short, uncomfortable and unfulfilled.
Ignorant, apathetic, and lazy. Not to play a semantic game, but that is
acceptance, not preference. And if someone can't be bothered to change a
system that is so detrimental to their own welfare as this one is, then I
doubt they will be bothered to prevent someone who actually does get off
their ass to do it.
I'm also a realist.
~M. ____________________ "I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again." |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 04:48 PM |
*chuckles* While I am strident, I am also a realist... the capitalist
system is preferred by most americans... so it won't be changed as the
majority (the stupid people) prefer it... any vote to change it will
fail... the election... was stolen... again... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Monolycus
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 04:41 PM |
feral: "we all accept that capitalism is the great white devil... but
it will not be changed... "
How very telling. In another forum (regarding the 2004 election), you are
vociferous about not sitting back and taking a bad thing. Still being
vociferous simply amounts to talk, talk, talk. Bitching is just another
way of not doing anything about a problem. The problem is not that there
are no acceptable or realistic alternatives to the evils of capitalism, the
problem, as you so eloquently put it, is that "we all accept" it.
~M. ____________________ "I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again." |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 04:17 PM |
no offense, man... but untill the human factor is out of it... there is no
way for ANY governmental system, in spite of the paper aspects of it, will
be good or work well... Personally, IMHO, socialism is the best... but
human considerations still fuck it up...
we all accept that capitalism is the great devil... but it will not be
changed... so we are going to be under it for a long while...
Pale... that has always been a problem, but that is a rarity within US
borders... but here is the real issue... the cd costs 12 cents... the
dubbing is 23 an hour producing about 700 copies in an hour... printing is
about 43 cents per cd at bulk... and the finished product is 15-25 a
peice... doesn't add up... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Monolycus
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 02:44 PM |
The effect of capitalism upon music is the same as the effect of capitalism
upon anything else.
When you say "capitalism", you could as easily say the word "digestion".
This is a process in which raw material in one form or another is subjected
to a process whereby the vital materials are extracted from it (in the case
of digestion, the vital materials are nutrients. In the case of
capitalism, it is money) and then a final product is left behind (In both
cases, the final product is crap). It is no accident that we refer to this
process as "consumerism".
In the process of digestion, the consumer is a single individual. Microbes
and bacteria are then left to enjoy the waste product. In the process of
capitalism, the real consumers are the very, very wealthy, and you are the
microbes and bacteria.
~M.
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pale-face
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 11:36 AM |
i still dont quite understand the whole controversy over downloading music.
counterfeit copy's of c.d's is still much larger of a problem and has been
a problem for much larger of a time. sure napster and kazaa or whatever
your using to get music may take some money away from music but
counterfeit cd's take billions away from the industry. outside of north
America 1 of 3 cd's is a fake. ____________________ fucking classy. |
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Anonymous
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 11:36 AM |
Agree with both of you. Music of many types is alive and well, its just the
corps and bigwigs being penny-pinching pilfering bastards as usual. They
hate it when something is popular but they can't make money out of it.
(See why Microsoft is trying to challange google with a new, crap, search
engine.) |
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feralucce
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 09:55 AM |
ummm... music isn't the issue... it is the industry built around it...
music is alive and well...
it burns my hide to hear people call a band talentless just because they
don;t like the songs, style or one of the performers... there are a few out
there that have no talent, but on the whole they all ahve talent of one
form or another... they may have no originality, but they DO have talent...
or skill... the two are completely different.. ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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W0rmW00d
Fanatic Posts: 355 Registered: 5/8/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 09:25 AM |
you know what is really killing music?
ill give you a clue, its not my filesharing software...
another clue is that it isnt anyone elses filesharing software.
here it is: SHIT MUSIC. talentless or halfwitted arseholes with their
voices pumped through filters singing songs that someone shat onto a lyric
sheet using the same beat as the last one.
competetitions to find someone else to spew out retarded banalities and be
the new pinup for a record company and the pittances being paid to the up
and coming groups with low saleabilty but high musical talent who end up
falling into obscurity.
i dont buy music anymore because nine times out of ten i am disappointed by
yet another pile of unmusical garbage.
the other thing that pisses me off is napster. was it part of the deal that
its creator, unable or unwilling to get over the demise of something that
essentially started a revolution, should start ripping off people who
supported this peice of kit by recycling a peice of software whose only
real relationship to the legendary napster of old is that it involves the
internet?
bah humbug. the day the rich prove themselves worthy of their wealth. the
day a record company becomes successful through musical principles. the day
someone stands up and says 'actually, although you would sell well, you are
really shit so we arent going to sign you.' that is the day that i stop
stealing music from the internet. ____________________ Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
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Wok
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posted on 14/11/2004 at 07:50 AM |
quote: well, if i could figure
out how this damned contraption called a cd burner worked... then I would
be rolling in working cds instead of rolling in half burned crispy circles
of crap...
Thats how I feel about my cooking.
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BlueLinn
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posted on 16/1/2004 at 04:03 PM |
well, if i could figure out how this damned contraption called a cd burner
worked... then I would be rolling in working cds instead of rolling in half
burned crispy circles of crap... ____________________ When the world is over, will we wonder how it began? |
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Anya
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posted on 31/7/2003 at 12:52 PM |
Hmm. That's a very good point in that article, Devin.
And since Shakespeare is mentioned in this forum, I will quote from one of
his plays concerning the lawyer issue: "The first thing we do...let's kill
all the lawyers."
I never thought all the lawyers were bad, but it is true that they get most
of the money out of the suing crap going on out there...hence it's probably
why a lot of people who should be taking responsibility are able to get
away with more than often.
[Edited on 7/31/2003 by Anya] |
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AloneSoul
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posted on 31/7/2003 at 01:00 AM |
I don't know, St Anger seems to be the best "anti-downloading theft" device
out there since it sucks so bad. ____________________ but at least you know, just how much pain there is in living |
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Nicholas
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posted on 30/7/2003 at 03:25 PM |
Or Metallica... or anything that contains the letters
"m","e","t","a","l","i", and "c". ____________________ "Be neither a master nor a slave to pudding, for there is a time to gather,
and a time to cast pudding away" |
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AloneSoul
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posted on 30/7/2003 at 12:33 PM |
Also I think you're safe if you download music from anyone but the big
"five."
WB, Sony, Jive etc. ____________________
SRC="http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/snes/ff6/images/characters/kefka.gi
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size=1> but at least you know, just how much pain there is in living |
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Ironboots
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posted on 30/7/2003 at 12:22 PM |
Devin: Heh, I love logic...
Squid: Aww... I too bad... I love anti-capitalist tyraids... ____________________ Piggy's got the Conch! |
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Merry_Widow
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posted on 29/7/2003 at 09:00 PM |
I don't know...music just sounds better when it has been pirated. Yar,
mateys, yar. ____________________ Okay, dazzle me. |
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