pale-face
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posted on 17/8/2006 at 11:05 PM |
what has our world come to where people have to express their emotions to a
computer. it is genuinely pathetic.
example: http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1155813959/Girl_Cries_Becaus
e_Someone_Called_Her_A_Douche
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pale-face
Fanatic Posts: 478 Registered: 22/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 12/9/2006 at 03:29 PM |
a new thread would be good, and hopefully we dont start stabing our own
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Starlight
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 618 Registered: 27/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 12/9/2006 at 08:34 AM |
Yes, please, a new thread would probably be a good idea. I'm sorry but I
seem to have misplaced my creativity so if someone would start it that'd be
great. ____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
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Domkitten
Fanatic Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 11/9/2006 at 09:45 PM |
Even a paranoid can have enemies. ~Kissinger.
There is no problem with having personal feelings. I jumped in, and
probably shouldn't have, because it was becoming a bash fest. I thought
that should stop. I thought the comments and the way they were being
directed all around, by feral, by mono, by kgm, by etc etc etc.....were
just getting ugly. I was attempting to point it out without getting ugly.
Fuck it. I am ugly.
I'm pissed at the way people get treated for stating and opinion and
supporting it. I'm tried of people calling each other stupid when no one is
listening. Is that stupid of me, I'll grant it probably is. But it is how I
feel. I'm being honest about it.
I wasn't going for direct quotes, I was paraphrasing my feelings, my
sentiments into it. Making it mine, interpreting it as my own, and drawing
my own conclusions to make my own point. I was reading into it, I'm
entitled to that occasionally too.
I know, I know, mine, mine, mine, me, me, me. But at least I'm only angry
with myself for posting in this damnedable catch-22 of a thread anyway. I
retract my statements. I'm not going off in a huff or having hurt feelings.
Consider this my way of saying I'll stay out of it, reprimanded fully.
Anyone up for a new thread?
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Meranda_Jade
Fanatic Posts: 511 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 11/9/2006 at 09:28 PM |
" I was mostly on about the link and the reason for posting it. It seemed
to me that it being the “way I feel at the moment” and only to be
appreciated by people with “an attention span longer then a goldfish” were
rather harsh criticism in a thread where the discussion had gone from one
of silly people posting things online, to technology and it
benefits/detractions, to you don’t listen to anything I say and I’m
superior in every way."
Okay, let's break this down. "The way I feel at the moment." Why is there
a problem with this? Aren't people allowed to feel certain ways anymore? I
didn't know that having personal feelings about something was a reason for
a person to be picked on. This is a point that I've tried to make many a
time.
"only to be appreciated by people with “an attention span longer then a
goldfish”"
First, that's not what he said. This is:
I'll link to it, in case anyone gives a shit and has a longer attention
span than a retarded goldfish.
that means: I'll link to it, in case anyone gives a shit and has a longer
attention span than a retarded goldfish.
In other words: I'm putting a link here, if you're interested and want to
read it, here it is.
Or that's what I'm guessing. I didn't see personal criticism... but then,
I rarely do. I give people the benefit of the doubt and tend to think that
what they're saying is what they actually mean, not some weird personal
thing that was meant as a jibe for only me. It's all about perspective,
which quite a few people these days lack. Everyone seems to think that
everyone else is out to get them and it's just not true.
Except for when it is.
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gothicmorman
Fanatic Posts: 233 Registered: 11/7/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 11/9/2006 at 09:22 PM |
quote: GM: *grins* you basically
stated... in a nutshell... mono and I both have good points... which is
what I was saying...
But what i meant was that mono has a better one. |
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Domkitten
Fanatic Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 11/9/2006 at 08:46 PM |
I was mostly on about the link and the reason for posting it. It seemed to
me that it being the “way I feel at the moment” and only to be appreciated
by people with “an attention span longer then a goldfish” were rather harsh
criticism in a thread where the discussion had gone from one of silly
people posting things online, to technology and it benefits/detractions, to
you don’t listen to anything I say and I’m superior in every way.
I thought it was unnecessary. If we are going to get into an argument about
the state of the universe, people in it, etc, then there is no way that we
can remove ourselves from that selfsame analysis. I felt this was being
done. Ergo the “have your cake and eat it to” comment that I made.
I’m all for self observation. I think it is important for people to take a
good look at themselves and make changes. It something that makes us better
people. Being able to see the monsters and recognize the monster in
ourselves, as a paraphrase of Schizo.
I did it in a very bitchy fashion, I freely admit it, but that is basically
what I was on about. I hope this less bitchy explanation helps.
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Meranda_Jade
Fanatic Posts: 511 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 11/9/2006 at 12:49 PM |
Holy fuck, we've gotten nasty with each other, haven't we? The first real
interesting discussion being debated here in a while, and it devolves into
hurt feelings on all sides and attacks ensuing from everyone trying
desperately to defend themselves. Haven't we learned from lessons in the
past not to get personal with each other when debating? Right now, for some
reason, everyone is extremely touchy and takes plain old disagreement or
even civilized debate as a personal jab in their direction. This has to
stop, people. We're all friends here, and friends can talk about things
going on in the world without getting hurt feelings because they're
disagreeing with each other on minor points. Mono was trying to elaborate
on points that are of concern to him, Feral was doing the same. Somehow in
there, some wires in communication got crossed and feelings got bruised on
both sides. I have no idea what Domkitten was trying to point out with her
posting... it didn't seem to be so much adding to the ongoing debate as
just adding unneccessary fuel to the fire of hurt feelings. Debate is one
thing... personal attacks are an entirely different animal. If you have
nothing to add to the intellectual debate and are only trying to stir shit,
please don't. It's a bad reflection on you and this entire site.
Schizo, thank you for continuing with the debate and ignoring the resulting
unpleasantness. This is more of what we need from our members here.
And remember folks, "If you can't say nothin' nice... don't say nothin' at
all."
(Yes, I know that is a double negative. I'm quoting verbatim from Bambi.) ____________________
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 11/9/2006 at 06:37 AM |
Mono... after reviewing threads and comments... you are right... I don't
take correction well... but I realised also... that I take your posts
personally because...1) I respected your opinion a great deal and 2) when
you post an opposing view point... it is never couched as an opinion, but
always presented as fact... and lastly 3) the tone of your posts, by me at
least, has seemed decidedly condescending...
on the point of correction... I don't take it ungracefully either... I
don't make a comment unless I have a well formed opinion... and even those
(read back) have changed on the basis of what other's say... I believe you
may have misinterpretted the willingness to fight for my thoughts as
something different...
you have an apology for possible misinterpretation of your style of
information presentation... it was not the information presented but the
presentation itself...
take it for what it's worth... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 11/9/2006 at 02:42 AM |
Of course no one, and no age is special. All times have their own problems
- the caveman had to worry about what he would do if the tip fell off his
spear while hunting a Siberian tiger, and we worry about what will happen
if the electricity goes off for too long. In both cases, it's good to
have a back-up plan. Most people I know don't have one. We're lucky if we
have a flashlight or a candle and lighter.
Humanity HAS gotten soft due to our pervasive technology, but we also have
a better chance of surviving as long as that technology remains
functional.
Personal survival has always been a person's most pressing concern, which
is why our own time's problems always seem much bigger than any previous
one's. When in fact it is only the same problem with a different twist.
In the caveman era, the issue was being defenseless against the elements
and nature. Today, the issue is what if our elaborate defenses fail?
On the subject of the traffic jam full of monsters - yes, I have
experienced that, too. I have also seen crowds of beautiful people - it
all depends on the eye you decide to open. Everyone is a monster and
everyone is beautiful, and the observer is probably being seen as one or
the other by someone, too. We are all capable of disgusting atrocities and
inconsistencies that can be seen with horror. We are all capable of
amazing feats of love, grace, and sheer breath-taking beauty as well. You
see what you are looking for. A wise man sees both, and realizes that no
person, or crowd of people, is either an angel or a demon. A wise man
identifies himself as a member of the crowd he is viewing, and the features
he sees in others can be found in himself. I guess it is the same as
realizing that all ages have the same struggles in a slightly different
form - all humans are the same as well. It is as foolish to rant against
oneself or against the rest of humanity as it is to rant against this age
or against past ages.
If we are not to become paranoid of the technological apocalypse, then why
are we to fear and loathe modern humanity? People have been greedy and
ignorant since the beginning of history. Get used to it because it's not
going to change any time soon. It's not any special problem of today.
Anyway, I've got to get back to what really matters. Gotta go out and club
that wild boar and bring it home to my family at the cave and deal with the
ugly masses of cave-humanity all day - I mean drive to work and bring home
a paycheck and deal with gluttoneous American society. Hell, whatever - I
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Domkitten
Fanatic Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/9/2006 at 10:05 PM |
First, regardless of how interesting the epiphany that every consumer on
the planet (let’s be honest here and stop labeling the Americans for it
alone) is a monster, has this epiphany while driving near a mall. Is it to
the mall or against, I do not know, but to judge while doing the same
bullshit monkey thing that everyone else is doing, and to be just as much
of a monster while doing it, is a ploy. So what for his screaming man. We
are all monsters at some time or another. His screaming man is just so much
recognition of the monster in his own head.
Secondly, I find it difficult to sit and read the claptrap of someone who
is not “so fucking special” go off about how not special they are, when in
reality that same person is just begging everyone to notice how special
they are. Through your anger you want to be important. Same bullshit as
paragraph one. You only call attention to yourself but your still a
monster.
Third, I find it odd that people who would like to rant on so much about
the advent of technology would use that selfsame technology to publish
their rant.
Far too much trying to have your cake and eat it too in this thread.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/9/2006 at 07:01 AM |
As for bringing up mourning... it was that piece that I noticed your
scorn... it started there... therefore LOGICALLY... it is the only thing I
can think of that would cause this reaction...
____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/9/2006 at 06:58 AM |
see... this is a discussion...not a lesson... I take correction well... but
in a discussion... it is point and counterpoint... when you take the
standpoint of "I am right, you are wrong, you cannot see it" and then
proceed to "correct" someone... I don't care who it is... that will
instantly get a bad reaction... because it wasn't a lesson... that stand
point is ARROGANT...
since it is a discussion... it requires more information than just "you are
wrong" ...it requires an EXPLANATION of your reasoning to make the person
see it from your standpoint...
reread what you wrote... it was snide and conescending with NO real
explanation or counterpoint...
don't correct me... talk to me... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Starlight
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 618 Registered: 27/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/9/2006 at 02:01 AM |
I liked waking up to find that link, Mono. It was nice to take a few
moments to absorb someone else's well-worded rage. It made me feel slightly
less alone in the cesspool. ____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've
never
tried before." ~Mae West
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Monolycus
Fanatic Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/9/2006 at 01:04 AM |
quote:
your scorn... is making the same point I am... that it is pathetic... but
your scorn for me... seems baseless... not sure what I did to earn
it...save for mourning...
And that's what I meant when I said you don't take correction
well... unless people are actively telling you that you're brilliant, it's
some kind of personal attack. Why bring up mourning? I didn't... and I
don't see having lost loved ones as making you particularly special. I
never said a damned thing about you personally, but it's not going to cause
me any lost sleep if you want to take it that way.
One thing I'm NOT going to do is get into any variation of the "You don't
like me!"- "You don't understand me!"- "I'll see your shot-in-the-stomach
and raise you one childhood-molestation!" debates. You're not fucking
special... I'm not fucking special... and if there's a truly special person
in this train-wreck of a planet, I haven't heard about them. What I am
is PISSED OFF at pseudo-intellectuals who don't offer any solutions
because EVERYTHING nowadays is "exceptional". EVERYTHING is "special". I
save every bowel movement I have for posterity because they are so
goddamned unique.
And while we sit here talking past one another and being "special" with our
exceptional new problems that nobody else could possibly ever understand,
everything around us swirls down into that little porcelain hole en
route to the most un-special extinction a dumbassed species could ever
achieve. And after having sat through more than a few self-congratulatory
conversations like this one, part of me truly and deeply believes that it
can't happen fast enough.
Incidentally... Bageant has finally put his finger on my exact
state of mind for the past few years. Short of staring at Munch's The
Scream, that is. I'll link to it, in case anyone gives a shit and has
a longer attention span than a retarded goldfish.
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KittyGoesMrow
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posted on 9/9/2006 at 09:41 PM |
*cough* No i didnt have time... x.x ____________________ Anata ga sabishii toki, bokumo sabishii n da yo |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/9/2006 at 04:38 PM |
KGM... did oyu bother to read the rest of the thread? ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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KittyGoesMrow
Fanatic Posts: 218 Registered: 30/4/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/9/2006 at 01:10 PM |
omg i wanna punch that girl in the vagina O_o
Gahhhh... grow a fucking backbone.
Douchebag. ____________________ Anata ga sabishii toki, bokumo sabishii n da yo |
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/9/2006 at 01:40 AM |
No, I see Feral's point (no pun intended.)
Human subsistence used to hinge on someone's possession of a pointy stick
or a heavy stick. You got the best one you could, but any pointy or heavy
stick would do in a pinch. We were used to foraging and hunting - we
depended on ourselves.
With today's technology, we no longer have to go out on hunting expeditions
or run our own farms - we just need to drive to the store and pick the
nicely packaged product off a shelf. We no longer know how to find our own
food within walking distance. This whole system is dependent on modern
transportation and electricity. As long as these are still available,
we're OK. But if we are no longer able to drive to the nearest grocery
store, or if the suppliers are no longer able to drive their product to the
store, or if electricity fails and refrigeration gets cut off, we're
screwed.
However, technology also protects us from a lot of the stuff that pointy
and heavy sticks were not able to. It creates bigger problems - it also
solves them.
I do think it is wise for a person to learn to subsist while cut off from
modern conveniences. While a huge apocalypse may never happen, there is
always the chance of a localized failure (even a drastic one, such as New
Orleans) that could potentially put you and your dependants at risk.
That is the weakness of the technology we have today - it is no longer
simple enough for the average person to be able to duplicate in usable
form, and most people do not know how to survive without it for long.
But of course, as much as a teenager my whine that it can't survive without
its ipod or cellphone, that is of course, bull. But we are frighteningly
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 8/9/2006 at 05:38 AM |
GM: *grins* you basically stated... in a nutshell... mono and I both have
good points... which is what I was saying... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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