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Articles: Pharmacological Oppression |
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IamSquid on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 04:12 AM PST
The other day, a friend and I were talking over IM and she told mee she was thinking about taking a medication to relieve her anxiety that a friend of hers reccomended. I looked it up online and it turned out to be an MAOI (which I will address in a moment) and that it's side-effects include among other things, loss of equilibrium, difficulty sleeping, interactions with alcohol and caffine, and comes with a warning that one should not opperate heavy machinery or motor vehicles for the first few weeks while taking this medication.
For those of yoo who don't know what MAO inhibitors are, I will give a brief explanation: Monoamine oxide is a neurotransmitter which makes people assertive and less prone to influence or suggestion. Inhibiting MAO thus effectivly turns people into sheep! Prozac is the best known example of a MAOI. Wellbutrin which is also marketed as a mircale cure for quitting smoking unde rthe name Zyban is another example.
I told her that I realize she has terrible panic attacks but drugs or at least specificly THIS drug is not the answer to her problems and that perhaps she shoould try hypnotherpey, biofeedback, or just good old fashioned talk therepy as I seriously doubt she has a chemical imbalance (which is the only scenario in which I can see MAOIs not being detrimental).
Then last night I heard about this which I will summarize here:
A father in New Mexico noticed that his son who suffers from ADHD was unable to sleep at night, had no appetite and for lack of a better term is tweeking, symptoms that he recognised as possibly attributed to the drug ritalin which his hyeractive son was taking. He decided ritalin was inappropriate for his son so he took him off medication. The school board learned of this and notified child protective services who confronted the man, telling him that he would either put his child back on the drug or be charged with child abuse. The man refused and now faces charges.
The first thing I thought of when I heard about this was "How the fuck is this Constitutional?" Honestly, I can't think of any part of the Bill of Rights which bans a requirment for citizens to take medication because the government says they "need" it. Based on the information given I get the impression that he is not only NOT being neglectful, but that he is in fact very adamantly concerned for his child's well-being even in the face of possible conviction!
The first story suggests to mee that people in the United States are buying in to the idea that being "normal" is as simple as popping pills and that the drug companies are almost certainly behind this. The second story tells mee that it is no longer simply a matter of corporations trying to push their product, now the government has taken an interst in this for the purpose of controlling the masses.
Maybe I'm just paranoid but then, I was raised on ritalin myself as a child...
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Re: Pharmacological Oppression
by Ironboots on Jun 10, 2004 - 08:16 AM
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http://www.prozacspotlight.org/
That site talks alot about MAOI's and what they can do to a person like making them. Prozac can really tweak you out, causing agitation and even suicidal tendencies.
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Re: Pharmacological Oppression by IamSquid (undisclosed) on Jun 10, 2004 - 08:15 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.goodandevilgoround.com | When I was in highschool, one kid who attended the smae highschool (whom I didn't know) commited suicide and had his suicide note printed in the paper. He was on heavy anti-depressants and had grown entirely numb to emotion to the point that he no longer felt he was alive at all, so what's the point of going on living?
Aren't anti-depressants supoosed to prevent suicidal feelings?
What I find most disturbing is on one hand the public is told that "drugs don't solve problems" when referring to marijuana and other illegal drugs but on the other hand that "perscription medication can make yoo normal."
All I'm suggesting is that #1, drugs of any kind (be they prozac, ritalin, alcohol or marijuana) are NOT an effective form of psychotherepy UNLESS there is a definitive chemical imbalance. #2 that taking behavior-modifying drugs (such as anti-depressants, ritalin, and illegal drugs to name a few) over an extended period in cases where there is no chemical imbalance inevitably become detrimental to the individual's mental and/or emotional wellbeing. #3 that all individuals should demand the civil right to chose for themselves how to and how not to control their mental and emotional facilities using drugs or otherwise. |
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Re: Pharmacological Oppression
by Domkitten (saradevil@saradevil.com)
on Jun 10, 2004 - 11:15 AM
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As an interesting note a lot of medication issued to asthmatics is usually MAOI based.
Also, it is getting harder and harder to find good talk therapy in the US. You have to do a pretty good search to find a talk therapist, and then when you do you can expect to pay a lot more for the privilege.
The last however, bothers me the most. The school board nor child protective services should have any right to decided that a parent should or should not put their child on medication. I’m sure this is almost certainly unconstitutional and will probably result in a victory for the gentleman in question. Aside from other groups, I’m sure that the Jehovah’s would not stand for something like this for religious reasons, and certainly the ACLU won’t let it go unnoticed.
However, more interesting than all of that is the diagnosis of ADHD itself. Check out the list of symptoms for ADHD from the American Psychiatric Association at http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/symptom.htm.
Now, after that tell me how this is not simply a diagnosis of “childhood”. Children are supposed to be over-zealous, creative, energetic, attention hungry, curious, and irresponsible. That’s why they are children. Most of the problems that ADHD are symptoms of have a single cause: television.
Less T.V. more physical activity, all the sudden children are less hyperactive. Kids don’t need drugs, they need attention and parents who are more in tune to their needs.
The same goes for adults. More often then not, panic, and anxiety are results of needs going unfulfilled or unsatisfied. How much easier it is from a governmental and regulatory standpoint to have the population popping pills rather than asking questions and trying to figure out where the anxiety comes from.
Where does a great deal of anxiety and fear in adults come from: t.v. in particular the national media and our dear president shrub junior. Listen to his speeches, “be on alert, we must be vigilant, national security level is orange, al queda is planning attacks it could happen anytime, we are at war with an enemy we cannot classify, see or name, but he wants to get you.” When enough of that gets fed into the mind it becomes a subconscious root for anxiety and panic. Add that to the pressures of day to day life, and you have an anxious and depressed population on your hands looking for an answer.
And pills are the perfect answer, perfect for everyone, including our dear leaders who line their pockets with money from pharmaceutical companies all the time.
In other words, be paranoid, because they are coming to get you.
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Re: Pharmacological Oppression by IamSquid (undisclosed) on Jun 10, 2004 - 08:02 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.goodandevilgoround.com | I think the keyword in yor description of what children are is "creative." The human capacity for creativity is what sets humans apart from animals and if the goal is indeed to turn the masses into livestock then attacking their creativity, especially when their imagination is at it's peak performance is one simple way to force people into a submissive postition without there conscious awareness.
As for the father facing charges of neglect, I can't think of anywhere in the Constitution it protects an idividual's civil right to medicate themselves (or the people they're responsible for) as they please. If this were so there would be no "war on drugs" and many retirement homes and mental institutions would go bankrupt. |
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Re: Pharmacological Oppression
by Andree on Jun 10, 2004 - 10:58 PM
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I remember when I was around thirteen, I found out there was such a thing as antidepressants. Next thing I knew there were ads everywhere . . . do you have feelings of hopelssness? Well yeah, everyone does. We wait a while, cry a bit, get over it. It's how we grow emotionally. (And thanks, insurance, for paying for unnecessary drugs but not for braces.)
But drugs aren't the only way people deal with not wanting to deal. Ever seen codependency? Broken people should not feed off of other people. Using a relationship as a heal-all is as bad a using a pill to shove your problems even further inside. People need to learn to fix themselves before they try to fix other people, and before they bring someone else into their mess.
And then there's always non-prescription drugs, shoot. If you're gonna dope up to avoid your problems, at least let your bastard insurance pay for it..
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Re: Pharmacological Oppression
by Andree on Jun 10, 2004 - 11:08 PM
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And the funny thing is the ad for Wellbutrin at the bottom of the page. So not only is the government interested in influencing the masses; the Internet is too. Which could mean that the Internet is run by the government. It's a conspiracy! Where's my tinfoil?
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Re: Pharmacological Oppression by Andree on Jun 11, 2004 - 09:26 AM (User info | Send a Message) | *pents fingers like Montgomery Burns* Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha *strokes Persian cat* *swivels in chair* |
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Re: Pharmacological Oppression by Monolycus on Jun 17, 2004 - 12:23 AM (User info | Send a Message) | You'd never noticed that before? The ads are found by a search engine based upon predominant key words in the text. Want to play a game? Base all of your submissions on the kinds of ads you would like to see at the bottom of the screen.
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Re: Pharmacological Oppression
by gothicmorman (litty_klj@hotmail.com)
on Jun 10, 2004 - 11:23 PM
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as my esteemed Comparative Civilizations teacher once said "Plop plop fizz fizz, OH what a relief it is!" she was commenting on how the medical componant of society was heading these days... sometimes it seems like the best counselling you can find is in online forums... at least that is what i find....
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One Pill Makes You Larger...
by Monolycus on Jun 17, 2004 - 12:20 AM
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Interesting observations, you subversive cephalopod. The answer is, of course, all of the above and then some for good apothecary's measure. Since the 1950's, people (primarily Americans) have been buying deeply into what is known as the "pharmaecological paradigm"... that is to say, there is nothing about you that can't be specifically altered without the right chemical additive and with no other effect upon the individual's biostasis. Rubbish, of course. But for everyone who thinks that the solution to each and every headache that life has to offer is 500 mg of the analgesic of their choice without any consideration about what caused the headache in the first place, the pharmaceutical industry tightens their death grip upon the hearts, minds and gonads of the rest of the world.
Here's something I never quite got: These wealthy, wealthy people who promote and benefit from the pharmaecological paradigm are, almost exclusively, rabid, right wing, conservative Christians. Now somebody tell me how it is that endorsing the point of view that everything about you (physically, psychologically, emotionally, et cetera) can be changed by regulating the chemicals bouncing off of your proprioceptors is compatible with being overtly theological? Let's dumb this down: If who you are is nothing more than your chemical makeup, then how can you be held accountable for your actions in a spiritual sense? Do you really think a just and fair diety will sentence you to damnation because you had a few too many parts per million of lithium floating around your physical form? I'm not surprised by this hypocrisy... Senator Frist makes his money simultaneously from his cardiology drive-thrus and investments in doughnut franchises (work that one out and get back to me). If this seems to be a compatible position to you, I would check out my municipal water supply to see how much flouride you're taking in on a daily basis.
~M.
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One Pill Makes Yoo Small... by IamSquid (undisclosed) on Jun 17, 2004 - 05:37 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.goodandevilgoround.com | In many spiritual disciplines, the body is the "lens" through which our spiritual funtions experience the world. To alter the lens is to alter the way we interprit the world and thus to alter how we behave within it.
Indeed the 1950s (almost certainly using the Cold War as an excuse) the country began to become very interested in more or less, seeing how far they could take technology to Macchevelian ends with the simple perspective of "let's just see if it works." The MK-Ultra experiments are a shining example of this. Many American citizens became unwilling (and usually unknowing) guinea-pigs using "National Security" as reasoning (sound familiar?) The drug companies worked in symbiosis with these experiments, and consequently, both are bigger industries today than they have been in world history.
At this point let mee state that I don't believe for a second that 90% of these "rabid, right wing, conservative Christians" are Xian at all. They simply understand how easily Xians are to lead by around like the sheep they so proudly declare themselves to be. Politicians such as these are intersted only in material gain in almost Faustian glory. Simony as it exists rampant in offices of high political office is however, a different discussion (which I am more than willing to entertain).
Anyway, I have concluded that the reason there is no Amendment declaring individuals the right to medicate themselves as they please is because it will effectively end the War on Drugs which is a tremendous money cow for some of the more oppressive corporate intrests of many of our current law makers (or at least, that is how it will be explained to the masses).
But then, why do we even have a Bill of Rights anymore? Those guys have been dead for two hundred years and we live in a brave new world. |
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Re: One Pill Makes You Larger... by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jun 17, 2004 - 10:31 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/ | I'm not going to get into the religious control half of your statement, not because I'm angry or disagree, but because I just woke up five minutes ago :)
About the face cramming of asperin and whanot for headaches without finding out WHY you have a headache....
I used to be like that. I used to get blinding, sickening migranes twice a week at the least, sometimes not as frequently but when I WOULD get it finally it would be the fucking motherload.
So what did I do? I ate a bottle of excederine migrane a WEEK just to be able to function. I never noticed that my headaches were getting more frequent (about the time the pill wore off) and worse, I never put two and two together. Then I watched something on 20/20 a couple years ago abot "rebound headaches", where by continuously shoving pain relievers into your system you're making the problem worse, you're making the nerve endings that cause headaches hypersensitive by constantly trying to dull them, and when the pail reliever wears off they fire up and hurt like HELL because they're no longer numb. There was a man who hadn't NOT had a migrane every day for 40years. He took 10 asperin a day, and finally a new doctor of his put him in "asperin detox". He said it was five days in hell with the worst blinding head pain he'd ever felt in his life. Then on the fifth day he said he woke up and his headache was GONE....and he hasn't had once since.
I tried the same thing, I cut myself off and it was HORRIBLE for about a week, but now when I do get migranes, they're few and far between and the real murderous ones rarely hit me anymore.
What's extra funny is that 9 times of out of 10, when you have a headache, it's not the asperin that makes it go away, it's the glass of water you drink it with. |
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Re: One Pill Makes You Larger... by IamSquid (undisclosed) on Jun 17, 2004 - 12:17 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.goodandevilgoround.com | Yep! Little known fact but dehydration is the cause of most headaches. It can also lead to braincell loss. for this reason, people who smoke marijuana who ignore their cottonmouth are more likely to be slower, have shittier memory, etc. Alcohol and caffine also dehydrate yoo. |
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Re: Pharmacological Oppression
by Kira (mod_complex-at-hotmail.com)
on Jun 17, 2004 - 12:07 PM
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A few years ago I started getting really depressed. It got worse and worse every month until I would just sit on the couch, and a potato chip commerical would come on and I would start bawling. About the time I started thinking jumping out the window sounded nice (with no cause whatsoever) I started doing some research.
Turns out, the birth control pill they stuck me on listed severe depression as a side effect. Not that they mentioned this to me AT ALL when they prescribed it. They made it sound harmless as candy. Here, for months I thought I was having a nervous breakdown and/or losing my mind. All because my doc couldn't be bothered to take the time to warn me of the side effects.
What's really hilarious was their solution; put me on anti-depressants! My solution was to find a new gyn. and switch pills until I found one that worked.
What a fucked up mentality. You have a problem caused by a pill we're giving you, so let's give you more pills to "fix" it, probably causing other problems, more pills, and so on.
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Re: Pharmacological Oppression
by spydr on Jan 17, 2005 - 02:14 PM
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It is fact is not constitutional and goes against a parents right to choose what is best for his or her child. Many times anitbiotics are prescribed but are not finished, to the detriment....
In fact if I were a parent I would take serious issue with this and with CPS. I do think however that before removing a child from any drug you need to talk to your primary physician so you can monitor post behavior.
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