Gawther than Who? Date Saturday, April 20, 2024 - 08:24 AM PST Topic Whining We go thru this alll the time. People think this is a "goth" site (whatever the hell that is) and try to get me to post their rants about all things "goth". Well Shmeng is not a Goth site. Never was, never will be. I love how they want to tell us that a) we aren't goth enough to call ourselves goth, b) they are soo much more goth than we can ever hope to be, and c) they know the true "goth" even if they are 15. I am scattering snide, catty notes thru out this multi post so that you can see what I think of your (this is the impersonal your) "gothness". Afterwards we will have a weenie roast and a few choruses of "Speak English or Die" goth test i was first drawn to this website by a "goth test" that was fucking stupid. (No, its fucking hilarious, if you are paying attention) there is no way that test could be used to measure the level of gothic -ness. (Its not there to measure anyone's architectural style.) it doesn't really pertain to any real gothic bands or subjects. (either goth is everything or goth is nothing, and, as such your goth is nothing.) it was a joke ,people. (Got that right baby doll. it WAS a joke) the only way you could pass it was if you worshipped in the church of manson. (Um, actually you would have failed even worse than you did. It also doesn't measure your need to follow iconoclastic bands) it was bogus and quite main stream. (Sure whatever you say) not very goth at all. (Are there actual degrees of gothic-ness that are judged by some committee out there?) yes they were trick questions, quite shady. how many of you passed it? (Most of us that know which one's are the trick questions...) "i have been a goth since the 80\'s. (So have lots of people here. They just don't pretend that "gothic-ness" is the only facet of their lives) i hate marilyn manson and kindergoths that believe he is a god and that tool and korn are goth. (We were all once kindergothen, and all had crazy ideas about what the true nature of "goth" was. Thankfully the rest of us grew out of it) i do not prefer pvc to velvet,lace,gloves, and pointy boots. (What the hell does PVC have to do with gothic-ness or lack there of? Is this one of the criteria from the Gothic-Ness Counsel?) i have kids and a husband. i love many bands. this month i a....." (This is where it ended, thank the gods) a place for older goths online Yes, I realize I'm going to be hated for this...This doesn't really relate to this site, but others of the gothy persuasion. (OK so now we are all prepared for you to say something really, really dumb. good job!) But I have to say it. There needs to be a place for the older sect. Not neccesarily the aged, but those from a different culture. (You mean like Hindi goths or Korean goths? Or do you mean different sub/counter-culture?) Nowadays anyone with black eye liner and matching clothes is goth. (Ever heard of the Mods? or those crazy death rockers? How about the rest of the black clad freak brigade? Maybe you just don't know how to look yet to see how someone is wearing their black and what it means to them. After all, a tux and a bondage dress are very different things.) Anyone from the art chick at the coffee house to the 15 year old at Hot Topic in the mall. There are websites that cater to varying different groups of people, why not one for 1rst generation goths? (Because most "first" generation goths are busy saving up to retire, dealing with kid or grandkid issues, second mortgages, and their careers. What the hell do they want to waste time with some "glory days" site for? They do it in person with the same (well some of the same) people that they did it with 25 years ago when they were in their 20's.) I'm a somewhat decent human being sometimes, but I feel even more out of touch than ever when I go to a site that is full of teens, especially when I've got nothing in common, and moreso, don't want to hang out with them. I don't go to the mall to hang out with people 10 years younger; why is it online I have no choice? (Because you are still defining yourself by the same standards that teenagers use? They mistakenly think they are the first generation of goths just like you do. And why do you care what someone is dressed like if you are only talking to them online?) I do have a valid point. Goth, like punk rock, is going the way of the dinosaur. (I LOVE hearing this one, I have been hearing it for some 15 years, and so far, its been wrong) With the internet, Mtv, corporate hands in the mix, the spirit and originality is getting lost in the translation. There is a big difference between the person who listens to Bauhaus or Siouxsie, than the one who listens M Manson or Slipnot. (Yes and no. IF that Siouxsie listener is in their say mid 30s and was listening to Siouxsie because their friends told them it was cool, then no, there isn't any difference. My mom listens to the Cure for cryin out loud. Does that make her First generation goth? She'd kick you ass if you said so.) It's not an elitist thing; it's a matter of personal taste. Everyone has someone they prefer not to hang out with, and that is perfectly fine. I mean no disrespect or insults, I'm stating their is a difference there, and there doesn't seem to be any online place that caters to it. (There are LOTS of them, the key is to find them and get accepted by them, like with any other good club) This was written in hopes to both inspire some tech-savvy creative person and to state a well-known, but understated fact. Gutter punks don't hang out with pop punks, (Yes they do silly person. They just don't brag about it) elder goths don't hang out with manson kids. (Yes they do, in hopes of finding the bright kids and pointing them toward the path called "self awareness") You don't go to a 70's music club to hear the 80's, etc. Of course, there is always an exception to the rule, but there is plenty of places for them, anyways. Read this and make up your own minds. Mindless flames of "screw you!" will be ignored. (Mindless "my black is blacker than your black" Submissions will also be ignored. Ok not ignored, ridiculed in the "true" goth manner) I'm just stating a feeling and opinion of, what I consider, a rather lacking option for a select group of people, nothing more. Hopefully there are others here who feel the same. Cheers. (Learn some HTML, or buy some template software, spend the 100 bucks for a years hosting, and put the site up yourself. It doesn't take much tech-savvy-ness, but it does take some time.) Things not to do on easter sunday *Preface* I am sorry. I really am. I know this will make you want to punch your monitors, send me hate mail, and firebomb this person. I feel the same. Thing is, I needed more than two "goth" posts to make this multi-post, so I am including this one. Yes it's about, well let's call it gothic-ness, and how this person's blacks are blacker than thou's. I think it would even be a funny story, if they could write, spell, punctuate, or get their point across. Maybe. OK on with the show.... It started out as any normal weekend with the exception that i had been invited to a friends party at the last moment this involved catching a train to the city. This is where the fun started, we got to the train station just as the train that we were meant to catch was leaving. however not being upset by missing the train we mangaged to convince the staion master to let us catch a ride on a train that was reserved for taking back emoty carriages, with the biggest dilemma sorted we managed to get to the party about 2 hours late, at least we made it. THE FUN BEGINS upon entrance to the party i was thrown back and almost passed out from what i had discovered inside, My friend had neglected to state the fact that most of her friends our extremely religious. (this leads to me to the conclusion that i was invited to upset them) after being introduced to to all her friends who proceeded to hide in the lounge and do jig zaw puzzles (i kid you not) myself the host and to of her friends proceeded to go out the bak and drink ourselves stupid, This however invited the chance for me to go midnight swimming ine of my favourite past times, After jumping in the pool swimming round for a bit in the freezing cold water i emerged from the pool and decided to go inside to get a towel but was met with a locked door as her friends were calling their parents to come save them from the thing in the backyard, after they all left i was aloud inside with my makeup running down my face i had successfully gotten rid of the boring side of the party and we proceded to get drunk inside and the rest of that night had pretty much ended Easter Sunday After waking up from the night before i decided to have a shower and redo my makeup and put on all my spikes again, the rest of that morning involved me watchin dvd's untill everyone else awoke. Now this is where the fun really started one of my friends friend's rang us on told us about a free bbq that was on at that time, we all gladly accepted and were on our way, however upon arriving at the bbq i discoverd it was a church event, the looks and th running and screaming children have lightend up my life on many a dull day after walking around entering the church having some free food and general making my presence known we left, i have since discovered that going to church on easter sunday as goth as with you friend who is a member knida of makes them the talk of the area they have sinced been banned from their church and i cant help but think im responible in some way, The Conclusion going to church on easter sunday and exploiting them whilst being goth, althought a fun a thought provoking experience should not be done at the cost of your friends so ends my story of what not to do on easter sunday enjoy So here we have three more people telling us that they are "gother" than gawd, and certainly "gother" than anyone else here. Why, you may be asking, do I bother to post this stuff? I like a laugh as much as the next person does. No seriously, I think public shunning is the best way to help these people understand that they are wearing faded gray, not black. This article comes from Shmeng http://www.shmeng.com/ The URL for this story is: http://www.shmeng.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=603