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CaptainCreepy
Coward Posts: 4 Registered: 5/3/2006 Status: Offline
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posted on 6/3/2006 at 06:29 PM |
I work in a very large, well known Cereal factory. They're on this big
safety campaign probably because every time someone gets hurt, OSHA gives
them hell. I got caught doing something considered a safety violation so
they gave me a 4th step letter.
A forth step letter is what you get before you're fired. They skipped
over the 1st, 2nd and 3rd step letters and went straingt for the jugular.
Now everyone is in an uproar.
We take our Lock out/Tag out padalocks and lock out the power source for
EVERY little thing. Do you know how long it takes to power the equipment
down and then restart?
AGES! They didn't put out any cases of product today. Ha,ha! ____________________
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Domkitten
Fanatic Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/3/2006 at 02:58 AM |
It's hard to read this and assume that you might not be an idiot, so I'm
going to go with my gut and say you must be stupid. Since you don't mention
the infraction that got you bumped up the ladder to nearly fired, I'm going
to have to guess at what it might be....
Cost someone an eye? leg, finger?
Smoking near gasoline tanks?
Using a torch as a light saber to reinact star wars?
Hmmmm...what kinda fun you must have been having. And while it is a damn
shame, congradulations for managing to get almost fired, but unforuntately
you don't win the prize of being completely jobless. If you had won that
you could sit at home, on your ass, and not worried about pesky little
things like rules to prevent people from loosing a finger or two.
Shutting down the works, man, that is brilliant. I'm sure if it doesn't get
you out of a job, there is probably some poor, low on the totem, employee
with two kids, a balloon payment coming up, and sick relative who will
enjoy being underpaid thanks to your brilliant plan.
Wait, no, heres a thought, try being less of a self centered prick and
thinking about the health and well being of others. Maybe that will make
you respect the saftey precautions and the need for employment a bit more.
But fuck it, I think not.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/3/2006 at 03:13 AM |
I've worked in factories for years. They're all the same. I know about
the lockout procedures too - they're the same everywhere. Makes sense, of
course. If they didn't have procedures like that in place, then bosses
with pressure to make deadlines would transfer that pressure onto the
workers, and direct them to cut corners in a possibly dangerous fashion.
With a lockout procedure, supervisors' hands are tied, and pressuring an
employee to do something dangerous is out of the question.
As for employees circumventing the safety guidelines - factories have no
choice but to crack down hard. When employees get injured, then you open
up a whole can of worms with paperwork, possible investigations, possible
lawsuits, even the possibility of being shut down if OSHA thinks they
aren't safety conscious enough. No one employee's job is ever worth all
that hassle - if they think you're someone who is just going to disregard
the safety guidelines, then they won't want you.
Honestly, with the attitude you showed over your own choice to break a
rule, and then the attitude over the discipline, it's no wonder they came
down heavy. Maybe they think you're someone who just doesn't care, and
might be looking for a reason to get rid of you? Maybe make a lesson of
you too?
Although I agree - factory work sucks, and the bullshit is thick enough to
cut with a knife. I'm personally doing what I can to break free from my
own private hellhole. But if you want to leave on your terms, you need to
learn to operate on their terms while you are there. Make them miss you
when you are gone, instead of being the ones to boot you out.
That's why my boss will spend a good week buttering up to me once she sees
she's pissed me off. I've made myself pretty indespensable - there are
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/3/2006 at 09:21 AM |
safety rules are there so you don't a) get maimed... or b) get killed... I
am against them personally...let natural selection weed people out ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/3/2006 at 02:40 PM |
Safety rules are good for things that are not obviously dangerous - like
labeling dangerous substances, or marking areas of particular danger so
people can be aware. It's courteous and sensible. However, like many
things that have become government regulated, it has been stretched to a
ridiculous proportion. It gives people an excuse for turning off their
common sense. And unfortunately, there are lawyers who love to be the best
friend of stupid people and the worst enemy of companies who fail to place
a warning label on absolutely anything that could by any stretch of the
imagination be a hazard to anyone.
I will be the first to admit that I occasionally cut the corners on the
more idiotic of the safety regulations at my factory, but I do it with the
knowledge that if I get caught, I may get in trouble. That's the risk I
take (much greater than the risk of bodily harm when I do this), and I
don't whine when I get caught. I certainly don't try to "get back" at the
factory. That would be shooting myself in the foot, unless of course I
want to lose my job or not get raises, in which case I would be better off
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Domkitten
Fanatic Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/3/2006 at 03:20 PM |
I'm not sure why I was so angry with Captin Annoying, but I think it was
just the sheer disregard for everyone else because of some idiotic act on
its part.
However, upon further reflection, I feel that feral, and the darwin awards,
have an excellent point.
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Anonymous
Posts: 116 Registered: 14/4/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/3/2006 at 06:38 PM |
Hey listen up dumbkitten- It has ALWAYS been standard operating proceedure
in the place I work for the company to wait until someone gets hurt and
then fix the problem. When OSHA starting cracking down on the company, the
company started cracking down on us. We have pointed out problems, placed
work orders, informed supervision and the safety committee and still things
don't get fixed until someone gets hurt. A few years ago a man was told to
clean out a cereal auger with a putty knife. This auger could be started
from the floor below at any time AND THE COMPANY KNEW IT FOR YEARS but they
waited until a guy got his arm torn off before fixing the problem. This is
typical.
The machinery I work with, I've worked with for 30 years. I can tell
what's wrong with it by the way it sounds or the way the floor vibrates.
I knew what I was doing but some hot shot noob supervisor panicked and
cried to the big boss who gave me disciplinary action for something that
has been standard practice for years and if there WAS danger, it was only
to me- nobody else.
The company didn't care about anyones safety for years because people are
expendable. All they care about is how many cases go out the door. Do you
think they care if there's blood on them. HA! They didn't get serious
about safety until last year. It's too late for most of us who have been
injured. All they did was make an example of me to scare everyone else
because even after I told all my co-workers that I just got a 4th step
letter for a safety violation, some of them smirked and continued to bypass
the safety precautions and stick their hands in running machinery. I have
never been injured in the machinery. My injurys came from outside the
machinery like lifting boxes that were too heavy, repetitive forward
bending, reaching too high, slippery floors, no PPE.
I have a clean work record and no one has been injured because of me. ____________________
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CaptainCreepy
Coward Posts: 4 Registered: 5/3/2006 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/3/2006 at 06:47 PM |
Hey listen up dumbkitten- It has ALWAYS been standard operating proceedure
in the place I work for the company to wait until someone gets hurt and
then fix the problem. When OSHA starting cracking down on the company, the
company started cracking down on us. We have pointed out problems, placed
work orders, informed supervision and the safety committee and still things
don't get fixed until someone gets hurt. A few years ago a man was told to
clean out a cereal auger with a putty knife. This auger could be started
from the floor below at any time AND THE COMPANY KNEW IT FOR YEARS but they
waited until a guy got his arm torn off before fixing the problem. This is
typical.
The machinery I work with, I've worked with for 30 years. I can tell
what's wrong with it by the way it sounds or the way the floor vibrates.
I knew what I was doing but some hot shot noob supervisor panicked and
cried to the big boss who gave me disciplinary action for something that
has been standard practice for years and if there WAS danger, it was only
to me- nobody else.
The company didn't care about anyones safety for years because people are
expendable. All they care about is how many cases go out the door. Do you
think they care if there's blood on them. HA! They didn't get serious
about safety until last year. It's too late for most of us who have been
injured. All they did was make an example of me to scare everyone else
because even after I told all my co-workers that I just got a 4th step
letter for a safety violation, some of them smirked and continued to bypass
the safety precautions and stick their hands in running machinery. I have
never been injured in the machinery. My injurys came from outside the
machinery like lifting boxes that were too heavy, repetitive forward
bending, reaching too high, slippery floors, no PPE.
I have a clean work record and no one has been injured because of me.
I forgot to add that I was in a hurry because the company rushes us to get
started all the time. Not to mention that they eliminated a job to save a
buck and dumped the extra work load on the people who remained. We are
all in a constant state of aggitation to the point that sometimes we can't
concentrate on what we are doing.
Oh- we asked supervision why the machinists didn't have to Lock out the
equipment when they were trying to fix it. They said the the crafts people
were in a league of their own and can't fix it when it's locked out and
know what they are doing. Guess what? An Electrican got all his fingers
chopped off last week because he didn't shut the machinery off and lock it
out first. That's why I got disciplinary action, to make an example of me.
Also, 4 crafts people were also given 4th step letters for riding up the
manlift and not holding onto the handle with both hands. I guess I'm not
the only idiot. The company is nit picking now.
And another thing, years ago a woman got hurt at work and broke her leg.
The company didn't want her sitting on her ass at home so they kept her
working, cast and all doing.... something. After work as she was hobbling
to her car on her crutches, and it was winter and there was ice in the
parking lot, she slipped again and this time broke her hip.
I am not ungrateful for my job. I'm all I have to take care of me. I don't
have a spouse bringing in a 2nd income like so many. Mommy and daddy are
dead and can't back me.
Regards-Capn Annoying
[Edited on 8/3/2006 by CaptainCreepy]
[Edited on 8/3/2006 by CaptainCreepy] ____________________
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Domkitten
Fanatic Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/3/2006 at 11:52 PM |
quote: The machinery I work
with, I've worked with for 30 years. I can tell what's wrong with it by the
way it sounds or the way the floor vibrates. I knew what I was doing but
some hot shot noob supervisor panicked and cried to the big boss who gave
me disciplinary action for something that has been standard practice for
years and if there WAS danger, it was only to me- nobody else.
Let’s focus here on what actually addresses the issue that I was raising…
So, you did something you weren’t supposed to do, you knew it, and then
when you got called on it you were disciplined. Does that sound about
right? I believe that covers the pertinent parts of your original posting.
In retaliation for being informed of your error in a jugular grabbing way,
the machinery was shut down. Let’s all celebrate and do a little dance.
Now, you come here, feeling all good and full of yourself and tell everyone
about how you not only skirted the system, but then, for good measure,
stuck it to the man. I suppose everyone present should have immediately
responded with a pat on the back, a kudos, good for you, one for the
underdog, etc. etc…
Sorry that the reality turned out to be less then you dreamed. Frankly, you
did something stupid, got busted, and did something equally stupid to make
yourself feel better about it.
What I’ve enjoyed in all of your ranting, though, is the way that you avoid
responsibility.
quote: They're on this big
safety campaign
quote: OSHA gives them hell.
quote: they gave me a 4th step
letter.
quote: some hot shot noob
supervisor panicked and cried to the big boss who gave me disciplinary
action
Like it or not, Capin’ you did something wrong. You got what you earned
through the actions you chose to take. I’d say the retaliatory actions are
equally childish and immature ways of self aggrandizement.
Now, while the second part of your rant is certainly interesting,
entertaining and informative, it does not move me to your purpose of hating
the big faceless entity and thereby seeing how right you were to do
something stupid and get busted for it. Sorry, but your still wrong. You
still got caught. And, frankly, I still think you are whining about it here
in the hopes that we will fall all over you like some sort of factory cult
hero ala Tyler Durden.
If so, you've come to the wrong place. Last time I checked, Shmeng is not a
goth site.
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 8/3/2006 at 03:27 AM |
I hate the big faceless entity, because I work for one.
Which makes me wonder - since you have worked for this faceless entity for
30 years, why expect them to act like anything else?
I understand that you have been running these machines for years, that you
know every detail of them, that you know what is safe and what is not, and
where the new rules make sense and where they don't.
The danger of doing what you did was not so much a physical danger as a
political one. You just don't mess with the "safety procedures" in a
factory that has just been targeted by OSHA. I have no doubt that you
would not lose an arm or an eye, but it is a quick and easy way to lose a
job.
Honestly, the best thing to do is to ride out the storm. Everything is
going to be in a frenzy for a while until your factory gets back on OSHAs
good side. Then things will mellow out, and the company will stop worrying
about how many hands people are holding onto the lifts with.
Unfortunately, breaking the rules, even the dumb ones, brings consequences.
And breaking safety rules when OSHA is on your case is a quick way to be
made an example. And shutting down the machines is just making the water
you're in even hotter.
So I agree with you, the factory you're working in is not in the right, but
your actions were still ill-advised, and you brought your consequences on
yourself, so it is hard for me to feel too sorry for you in this case.
But you still have my sympathy, because I know how stupid, hypocritical,
and just plain wrong factory management can be. |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 8/3/2006 at 10:12 AM |
dumbkitten? LMAO...
well... after reading your response... I have to say... you knew the rules,
and you fucked up and off... they should have fired your ass on the spot
because a) osha has regulations to keep retarded motherfuckers fomr losing
limbs... and b) you fuck up, you sue them because you are too dumb to be
safe and loose part of your body...
don't yell at us for being unsympathetic to late onset mental
retardation...
I think I prefered the Hawt topics posting poetry ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
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Anonymous
Posts: 116 Registered: 14/4/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 8/3/2006 at 06:22 PM |
Spoken like true brown nosers. I forgot to tell you about the guy who
came to work drunk. He came in early, on overtime, drunk. He was so drunk
he couldn't do the job so they let him sleep it off. Not only was this a
serious safety hazard and it was breaking the companys rules about no
drinking but he broke the law and yet they did nothing to him. While he
was sleeping it off they called someone else in to cover him. He not only
endangered himself, he endangered everyone he came in contact with. I
guess it just depends who you are and who's dick your sucking.
Adieu ASSHOLES!
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Starlight
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 618 Registered: 27/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 8/3/2006 at 08:45 PM |
quote: late onset mental
retardation
*just dies* Love that term, feral! ____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/3/2006 at 03:46 AM |
You hate the factory so much? Then quit. Get a different job. No? Then
quit complaining.
Brown noser? Hardly. I'm just smart enough to know that, as good as I am
at my job, I'm still just another bottom-rung employee who can be fired and
replaced without a second thought. I know that I've got a snowball's
chance in hell of changing the system from where I am. My family is
depending on my income to survive - if I have to learn that discretion is
the better part of valor for their sake, then I'll do it.
You think that the system sucks and it needs to be changed? Great - I
agree with you. Then why don't you go out there and do something that is
ACTUALLY going to change the system, instead of bucking the headwaters by
petty insubordination and cheap revenge tactics? That's not going to
change the system, just your employment status.
Incedentally, there's not an employee in my workplace who would think of
accusing me of brown nosing. If anything, scuttlebutt says that our
supervisor is a little more scared of me than I am of her. I work hard but
I don't accept bull, even from her - but without ever shooting myself in
the foot over it, like so many do when they're pissed at her and her
policies.
There's a difference between brown nosing and being realistic. If you can
come up with a strategy that will WORK to correct the problems in your
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Domkitten
Fanatic Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/3/2006 at 03:54 AM |
I like how he spells assholes in capitol letters, so we know he means it. ____________________ It's like kegel exercises for your throat.~Monolycus |
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gothicmorman
Fanatic Posts: 233 Registered: 11/7/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/3/2006 at 05:27 PM |
hmm, seems that this topic is like voting - if you don't vote when you have
the capacity to do so, then you can't really complain about the government.
If you do something retarded knowing it is retarded, then you can't really
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/3/2006 at 03:27 AM |
You have to understand, though, people - what he did was probably NOT
dangerous for HIM. As he said, he worked with these machines for 30 years
without a safety incedent. When you've been doing that, you KNOW exactly
what is hazardous and what is not.
But when a company has OSHA on its tail, they have to dumb things down.
They don't allow for experts. If your average idiot with no experience or
knowledge could possibly get injured doing something, then they outlaw it.
Then the people who DO know better have to abide by the rules for the
people who DON'T know better. It's extremely frustrating, especially when
you have a supervisor on YOUR tail because he wants that product out
yesterday, and doesn't want to understand that fixing your machine
according to the new procedures is going to be time consuming.
That is why I can understand and sympathize with his frustration. A couple
of years down the road, probably no one would care if he used his expertise
to fix the machine the way he knows best. But right now, with "safety"
being a hot topic, any infraction of even the most over-zealous of rules is
just asking for trouble. Of course, this is all the more frustrating
because he knows that the company really doesn't care about the employees -
just keeping OSHA off their backs.
The thing that gets me about it is that he thinks he is getting back at the
company, when all he is doing is hurting himself. The complete lack of
discretion that he uses is what astounds me. In a situation like that, you
need to remember that the company is bigger than you, and it will stomp you
into oblivion without even thinking about it. If your work environment is
really that terrible, you are better off giving notice - then at least you
will have a job reference to get new employment, even though starting over
new at a different place will result in a pay cut, loss of benefits for a
period of time, and having to start all over again as far as vacation time
or anything else that comes with seniority at a factory position. But hey,
you 'd lose all that anyway just getting fired, only with that black mark
against you when you try to get hired elsewhere.
Really, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. All that hypocrisy can
be really tough for an experienced worker to swallow. I wish him well, and
hope that he doesn't screw himself over further in dealing with the big,
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Domkitten
Fanatic Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/3/2006 at 05:27 AM |
Thank you for that Schiz. I have to say, I sympathize too. I actually
sympathize with both of you. I don't know how anyone could do that kind of
work day in and day out, and I know you've been at it for years and years.
My hat is really and truly off to you.
I also understand how annoying OSHA can be. When I was teaching in the
states I could easily get a mark in my file if I did something like try to
clean up a bloody nose. Any and all bodily fluids had to be handled by the
janitor who was trained to deal with biohazards, great fun when your
working with young kids, and of course, most of use ignored it and wiped up
the blood anyway, at our own peril.
I understand the frustration for working in a factory. I think there is a
lot there to be frustrated with, aside from long hours, low wages, lack of
respect, inability for serious career advancement, and soul crushing
tedium. I can understand why someone would want to buck that system as
well. Oddly, I thought the writing in his second piece was actually fairly
put together and could prove to be interesting, but the arrogance of the
original posting put me off, causing my initial response.
And for the record, I have done some factory work. I hated every single day
of it to boot. I worked in a fruit factory, packing tomatoes. And for the
record, I was the best tomato packer they ever had.
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IamSquid
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 658 Registered: 27/5/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/3/2006 at 07:19 AM |
Weird, a friend of mine works with a guy whose nickname is Captain Creepy,
which he was dubbed for his uncanny talent at singlehandedly clearing any
room he enters whether yoo know him or not. He is aparently mildly
retarded and famed for quotes such as "it's not gay if yor wearing a
mask."
I wonder if this is the same guy, he fits all the criteria. Works in a
factory, annoying, mentally impaired. Hey Cap'n, where do yoo live? ____________________
i wanted to die, and then it progressed into wanting everyone else to
die so i could watch, and then me die.
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gothicmorman
Fanatic Posts: 233 Registered: 11/7/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/3/2006 at 01:34 PM |
Either way there has got to be at LEAST one better way to go about
"bucking" the system than purposly putting ones job on the line. If he
dislikes the system so much and doesn't care if he gets fired then why not
quit?
I would think it would make far more sense to abide by the rules even if
they are over zelous and complain about the system or even talk to higher
up people about the flaws of the system than to rebel against the system
get slapped for it then complain about getting slapped. It's obvious enough
that if one rebels against a higher power the higher power is going to go
"Crush".
True that rebellion works sometimes but other times it is better to wave a
white flag.
Maybe CaptainCreepy is stuck between a rock and a hard place but thats not
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