Gas prices here have risen to at least 3.24. The highest I have seen so
far. I saw that today down in Paia, but I haven't checked the closer
station.
What's the price in your area?
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Schizo
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posted on 2/9/2005 at 02:34 AM
About $3.15, I think. It jumps about .20 a day.
But it's not just gas that's getting more expensive. Anything that has to
be transported at all is going to cost more.
I hate to be a doomsayer, but I really think that this is going to decimate
the economy. No one is going to be able to afford to go anywhere, and when
they do, they are not going to be able to afford to buy anything!
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MystryssRavynDarque
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posted on 2/9/2005 at 03:25 AM
It's just going to cause inflation I've heard. Things already cost a ton
here because they have to be transported by boat and plane and not just
trucks.
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posted on 2/9/2005 at 06:07 AM
Schizo is right. Gas is going to just get higher and higher, especially
when we've used up the federal oil reserves. Food is going to be a lot more
expensive. People will be using most of their incomes just on survival. I
think this really is the beginning of some very rough times for everyone.
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posted on 2/9/2005 at 06:16 AM
I filled up yesterday at a Shell station and it was 3.19 a gallon. I put in
just under 12 gallons and grabbed 3-20oz pops and together the bill was
just over 40 dollars. That's triple the amount it cost to fill up the car
from when I first got it a couple of years ago.
The price of gas jumped about 40 cents a gallon overnight on Monday, but it
hasn't seemed to change around here after that this week. I can't really
avoid driving any less than I already do, because I try to combine trips as
it is. There isn't public transportation as such around here, and the bus
service, that we do have, is a call per ride type program. So pretty much
whatever it ends up costing, I'll have to bite the bullet and ante up.
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gothicmorman
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posted on 2/9/2005 at 12:23 PM
currently the price in ontario, apparantly, is dangling around the 132.7
cents per litre, though here in B.C i saw it at 110.9 center per litre
yesterday... so in gallons that would be 5.04$ and in american it would be
4.24$ for ontario and the price by my place would be 4.21$ in gallons and
3.55$ american... all the same it is hurricane katrina that sent the
prices rising so not only are many residents out of their homes and living
in other people's home and their cars but now they also have to pay extra
money for gas for it...
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posted on 3/9/2005 at 06:01 AM
I'm thinking that now would be a very good time to be owning a bicycle
store.
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posted on 6/9/2005 at 05:02 AM
I siphon gas from the guy next door so the rising gas prices aren't
affecting me much. I heard somewhere that if it continues on this trend
it;ll be somewhere in the neighborhood of ten bucks a gallon in three
years...wouldn't surprise me. I blame it on fucking Walmart.
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ariadne
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posted on 8/9/2005 at 08:57 PM
The National Guard in New Orleans is preparing 25,000 body bags. How's
that for damage?
[Edited on 9/9/2005 by ariadne]
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posted on 8/9/2005 at 11:19 PM
quote: The National Guard in
New Orleans is preparing 25,000 body bags. How's that for damage?
[Edited on 9/9/2005 by ariadne]
Sorry to be a wet blanket, but FEMA is preparing 25,000 body bags. The
National Guard are merely threatening poor people and German reporters.
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Not also to be a wet blanket, but we all know/heard/seen/been through the
hurricane tragedy. Hurricanes are dramatic. It's human drama, man vs
nature and makes for good tv. Discussing economic terrorism on a grand
scale that threatens to cripple the average joe citizen isn't negating the
fact that yes there is immediate personal crisis down south. There is
something in common between the two. One blew in a killed an untold amount
of people in the spectacular way that only nature can do, wiped out
thousands of lives (and not just the lives of those who died) and crippled
three states. The other is a quiet killer we click our tounges over as we
fill our SUV's and drive to the store five times a day. It'll kill people
as surely as a hurricane or a gun, only quietly, one by one. When families
can't financially survive, there is domestic violence, suicide, murder.
When food costs skyrocket to cover gas prices, those who were just hanging
on go hungry or eat poorly (ie: cheaply. Top Ramen anyone?) and are more
prone to get sickly, and yes sick enough to die as they can't afford to go
to the hospital. Pregnant women who don't eat well have children with
lower immune systems. Poorly fed children have weaker immune systems.
What kills me is that our trucking industry runs on deisel. Deisel is a
petroleum by product. It wasn't intentionally made, it was just what was
left over and they made things to run on it. Waste not want not kids!
Deisel used to be the affordable fuel, hence even as regular gas prices
soared, industry and retail products remained the same price. Now with
trucking being the CORE of our transportation of goods, they can afford to
hike the price HIGHER than ordinary gas, even tho it's the "waste" of
petroleum production. They're making a FORTUNE.
Here in Washington state, AMPM regular unleaded gas is $2.75. Deisel is
available at the 76, Shell, and Chevron, the cheapest I've seen at $3.08.
Who knew accidental byproducts could be such GOLD!
What is even more silly is that it's not the supply of oil. Our incoming
oil is fine. Our refineries aren't keeping up, and the hurricane wiped out
a massive port with a LOT of our refineries. What I find sillier is that
Washington state gasoline is refined in MONTANA, which last I heard isn't
on the gulf. Yet we're still paying almost $3 a gallon.
It hiked when bush took office, it hiked when the trade center was
demolished, it hiked when the Afghani war started, and hiked again when we
lost interest (and a little face) and went bullying our way into iraq.
Then it continued to rise and rise as the war got uglier and uglier,
then.....SWEET RELIEF! It dropped 30 cents! What a relief, 2.05 a gallon!
Then it went back up, then they said it'd go down, but OH MY GOD King
Fauhd (spelled?) in Saudi Arabia died and his brother who's been handling
his brother's affairs for the last fifteen years took over, we better hike
the prices even tho he's said nothing will change and he's done nothing to
make us think otherwise. Lawd Lawd. Then Katrina. Where's my sandwich
board and megaphone, I'm thinking the end is near. Better warn the
neighbors and tell that garbage burning bitch next door what I really think
of her while I have the chance.
We can't take another two years of this. We can't take another year. I'm
giving it six months.
And schitz, if you really want to make an investment that will pay off, I'd
take what money you have and invest it in Home Depot, Lowes, Ace Hardware.
Sure Haliburton's subsidiary has the rebuilding contract, but they gotta
get their supplies SOMEwhere.
I've recently just come to a point with everything where all I can do is
just sit back and laugh. My dad does that. He seems happy. Because just
like him, I know that if I don't laugh, I'll explode. I'll just blow my
goddamned happy top. SO I laugh when gas jumps up another quarter over a
week....laugh when I put twenty bucks into the paystation and get a half a
tank. I'm positively giddy. Peace kids, I'll see you when the dust
settles.
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ariadne
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posted on 9/9/2005 at 04:03 AM
YOU MaY BE RIGHT,MONO, I THINK I MISREAD. It doesn't say FEMA though it
only says officials. FEMA is really in charge of logistics. So maybe.
What makes you think that the National Guard is threatening poor people? I
know that they are trying to get everyone to leave because of the threat of
disease and because of the fact that if people choose to stay there will be
no food and water coming into New Orleans. There will be no medical care as
well and there is the danger of disease. Also the National Guard is seizing
all weapons even from registered owners because of the fact that New
Orleans has become a war zone. Contractors trying to repair a bridge were
shot at. The shooters were killed but that is what is being dealt with
there in this country. Military helicopters are being fired at by
civilians. Police have been shot at trying to rescue people. I do not know
why on earth you would think that the National Guard trying to do their
jobs would be threatening people. Those people do need to leave. It is in
their best interests to do so or they will be left without food or water or
proper medical attention when disease becomes a major problem for them.
[Edited on 9/9/2005 by ariadne]
[Edited on 9/9/2005 by ariadne]
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posted on 9/9/2005 at 04:10 AM
"Not also to be a wet blanket, but we all know/heard/seen/been through the
hurricane tragedy"
That is easy to say when you are sitting up there in Washington state
watching everything on TV. I just happen to live in one of the states that
was hit by Katrina and am in no humor to beat around the bush about the so
called dramatics of a hurricane. I am originally from the east coast and
grew up with hurricanes all my life and this was not the average hurricane.
This was a cateogry 5 but was knocked down to a cat 4 by some westerly
wind but it was devastating nevertheless. In the town where I live there is
a little boy at my daughter's school who has lost his parents and his
infant sister and teen age brother. At my other children's daycare there is
another child who is also an evacuee. At my husband's aunt's church there
were people who came here from New Orleans with nothing but they were
looking for a church. One girl, 19 years old, doesn't even know what
happened to her mother. She couldn't find her as she was lost in the flood
as the levees broke. In my state where the hurricane actually hit. Gas
went up a little last week and dropped back down 10 cents this week so I
think everyone is really overreacting just a little and too worried about
things that are more or less hype. What should be more of a concern to
everyone is how in the hell this happened in our country. How the people of
the Gulf Coast region were left to fend for themselves. There were days
before the storm hit for plans of action to be manifested. It was known
that the storm was heading for New Orleans. It was also known what a storm
like that would do to New Orleans. FEMA DID NOTHING. No arrangements were
made. Nobody helped evacuate those too poor to evacuate themselves. Many
people in New Orleans were too poor to own cars. That is why there were so
many people left behind. Yes there was a mandatory evacuation in place but
that was not enough. The government failed the people. New Orleans has
become a war zone. This is suppose to be America. This isn't suppose to
happen here but it did. They don't have enough National Guard units at home
because they are mostly in Iraq right now. Their job is to restore order at
home in a time of crises. Instead the Federal Government is going to deploy
active duty troops to restore law and order in our own country. Military
police have already been deployed there. And you think this is just your
run of the mill hurricane drama? This is a break down in our society. This
should never have happened. Do you think if something like this happened
that our government will be able to protect us when a really serious
terrorist attack occurs? Think about that instead of your pocket book. I
think everybody here who is safe with their own privacy and who is able to
call the people they love when they want to is pretty much ok. I think all
of you are going to make it don't you? There are thousands of Americans
right now who live without anything but the clothes on their backs right
now and some of them can't find children, spouses, parents,etc, be thankful
for what you have.
[Edited on 9/9/2005 by ariadne]
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posted on 9/9/2005 at 01:15 PM
quote:There are thousands of
Americans right now who live without anything but the clothes on their
backs right now and some of them can't find children, spouses, parents,etc,
be thankful for what you have.
uh, yeah, very true. though im sure there are more than thousands. this is
not really a change from before the hurricane though... katrina just upped
the number a percent or two.
there was already small wars and people getting killed and random tradgety,
maybe you just couldn't see it so clearly before cus it wasn't on tv. just
like bettie said national crisis makes good tv, everyday crisis doesn't and
the people in everyday crisis thats happening all the time are the ones who
just need to get to work so they can feed their kids but all the money they
make get eaten up by gas prices getting to work or to the store that they
barely have enough money to cover the rising food prices....
its not like nobody on the site was part of the hurricane or anything
though, callei and shade lived in new orleans.
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posted on 9/9/2005 at 01:42 PM
I will say one thing - I am not shocked in the least that something like
this could happen in America. That not only could such a catastrophic
natural disaster occur, but that the American people could sink so low,
that the government could be so unresponsive, that an entire mess like this
could happen.
After all, why not? We're Americans. So? Why does that make us any
different than Sudanese, Cambodians, Uzbekistanians? We're people. Which
means that we're capable of lying, cheating, stealing, cruelty,
selfishness, murder, corruption, indifference, you name it. The only
reason Americans seem less corrupt on the surface is because we generally
don't get put in the sort of situations that bring out the nasty side as
often as "third world" nations. We're generally comfortable, well-fed, and
safe. It's easy for us to be "civilized." But take that comfort and
stability away, and we are EXACTLY the same as those chaotic nations we so
look down on. We become like them - humans in extremity. It brings out
the best in the best, but it also brings out the worst in the worst.
As for government response - I'm not even going to go there, because I am
really not the most qualified here to discuss that.
(On a side note - yes, the price of gas is a pretty small issue compared to
the suffering and death of thousands, but it IS an issue, and, unlike the
devastation, it is something most of us ARE having to deal with personally
every day. Do you really expect us to ONLY discuss the absolute biggest
topics? Just because there is starvation in Africa, may I never mention
how hungry I am at the moment? By all means, we would love to hear about
this disaster from an insider's view. Didn't you notice our huge reponse
to Callei and Shade's story? Much bigger than our reply to this topic.
I'm sorry for your loss and difficulties, but I REFUSE to be guilt-tripped
for daring to discuss any lesser side issues.)
quote: This is suppose to be
America. This isn't suppose to happen here but it did.
New Orleans is an example to all of us - never, NEVER mistake the
"civilization" of a nation like ours for immunity to disaster and, most of
all, humanity. This is America. And we're no better than anybody else.
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ariadne
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posted on 9/9/2005 at 05:01 PM
"uh, yeah, very true. though im sure there are more than thousands. this is
not really a change from before the hurricane though... katrina just upped
the number a percent or two.
there was already small wars and people getting killed and random tradgety,
maybe you just couldn't see it so clearly before cus it wasn't on tv."
It is nice that you would try to insult my intelligence this way but you
are speaking to someone with a husband who is currently doing his third
tour in the middle east. So don't even go there with me because I will
virtually kick your teeth in if you want to discuss this stupid war and
tragedy and what not. I am in a place where I know all about this first
hand. So just stop where you are, thank you.
As far as this making good TV. hmmmm That is funny that you would say this
because I am not watching this shit on tv I am meeting evacuees. As a
matter of fact, I don't even watch tv if you must know. I read the news.
As far as Callei and Shade's story I had no idea about that because I have
not been around in a while. I intend to check it out though. On a side
note though, as far as my trying to guilt trip anyone here. I made a
statement because pretty much everywhere I have gone I have encountered a
lot of people who just don't give a fuck about what happened to the people
of the Gulf Coast region. Then when this was the only forum on the subject
at all and it dealt only with gas prices naturally I stated what I thought.
Since my state was also hit it disgusted me. It would have anyone because
it appeared that was the only thing that concerned anyone here at all. It
still appears that way from the response I received. One of my daughter's
fathers was found to be murdered after being missing for 4 fucking years. I
don't think I need the Tv to tell me about tragedy gothimorman. So blow it
out your fucking hairdo.
[Edited on 10/9/2005 by ariadne]
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posted on 9/9/2005 at 07:14 PM
I just read the articles by Shade and Callei and I am really happy to hear
that they made it out of New Orleans safely. I am truly sorry that they
lost everything. I can't believe I missed that. Thanks for bringing that
up.
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posted on 9/9/2005 at 09:03 PM
Do people think that New Orleans is going to be rebuilt? The news here
shows us thousands of hours of prize-contender footage of human tragedy but
tells us nothing, lots of people died and were made homeless and that
there was looting, a scapegoat has been appointed and duly fired and
nothing more. I cannot imagine that it would be considered a viable
economic choice, but what will happen to the people who have no
alternatives? I don't have all the information by a long shot but I can see
a third world city state growing up in the symbolic heart of western
civilisation: America.
____________________ Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.
Ariadne, nobody here is demeaning the grand scale tragedy of what happened
down there, and simply because there's a discussion about one of the side
effects of that tragedy, and the overall failings of the administration,
doesn't mean that nobody gives a fuck. And yes it's easy to say that
sitting here in washington state, but what I didn't say was that I knew
what you were going through while I sat here in washington state, it was a
general "if we didn't go through it ourselves, we've seen the havoc, and we
feel for those who did". Don't be flippant. I'd LOVE to send money, send
aid, but well all my finances are tied up in my goddamned gas tank! And
tied up in my rising cost of living over the last five years, faild by the
same administration that failed the thousands and thousands of people on
the coast. But overlooking the side issues, the tragedies on the small
scale that happen quietly, one by one, with no tv cameras and no aid on the
way, is just as disgusting to me than the gross mass scale FAILING of the
people of the gulf coast during a disaster such as this.
I wasn't in the hurricane, but my heart goes out. I wasn't in new york on
9/11, but my heart went out. Unfortunately the rest of me is dancing on
the strings of financial survival as the chasm between the haves and the
have nots gapes even wider, dancing between two jobs equaling about 60 hrs
a week to pay rising costs of EVERYTHING. I do give a fuck, but like
schitz, as much as everything that has happened has broken my heart and my
belief that we're better than this, I won't be guilt tripped into a major
tragedy to ignore one just as great, only silent and one that happens home
by home. With no reporters with tears in their eyes.
Wormwood, I'm sure something of new orleans and surrounding cities will be
rebuilt, it's just the way it's done. It was a beautiful city, and
hurricanes haven't deterred people in the past. Rebuilding is a way of
rebuilding lives to people, it gives the security of moving forward, of
doing SOMETHING to reclaim their destroyed lives. Besides, those who've
been displaced have to go somewhere. I'm sure it'll never be the same,
tho, to anyone. And there are plenty of third world city states in
america. Go visit the smoky mountains, or appalachia, where thousands of
people still live, mere miles from industrialised cities, in shacks without
even plumbing, and where STILL nobody cares. They're not americans,
they're hillbillies.....it's not a third world, it's a redneck mecca, cuz
they're poor cuz they just don't care and they're inbred. Our money is
better spent blowing up and controling our oil interests and relieving the
national debt of other third worlds, not bringing our own small third world
areas into the "light of civilization".
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posted on 9/9/2005 at 11:26 PM
quote: ...a scapegoat has been
appointed and duly fired ...
Nobody has been fired. FEMA chief Mike Brown has been taken off the NOLA
case, but, far from being reprimanded, he has been praised publicly by Bush
and Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff. He has been allowed not
only to keep his job but to oversee all future FEMA ops (he's currently
working on Ophelia contingencies) and dispersing money to loyal contractors
(Hal-KBR, Blackwater and Dewberry primarily). If the Beeb said someone has
been fired, that news hasn't trickled to we here in the colonies who will
be feeling the soles of their jackboots for the foreseeable future.
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