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Author: Subject: Murder or Suicide?

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  posted on 5/4/2004 at 05:00 PM
It's approaching the 10 year anniversary of the death of Nirvana's lead singer, Kurt Cobain. For the past day and a half, any TV channel associated with music has been running amok talking about the band and his death and it will mostly be like that until a few days after the 8th. I'm a fan of Nirvana, but I'm in no way obsessive about them. I have my own reasons for enjoying their music and my own opinion about Cobain's death, but I'd like to know what you all think of it, especially since some of you are from the Seattle area.
Was it murder or suicide?
Why do you believe what you do?

 

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  posted on 5/4/2004 at 05:14 PM
I'm so sick of nirvana right now you don't even know.
My radio in my car is broken so if you don't "finesse" the volume knob to lower the volume it'll turn up to earsplitting decibles, like this morning, so I got my eardrums cleaned thanks to fucking nirvana.
He killed himself. Even tho I hate to burst the bubble of cable access's famous host of "curt cobaine was murdered" documentaries, he was a depressed junkie MARRIED to a psychopathic junkie who two weeks before his death spent a length of time in a fucking OD coma.

I'm sorry, but courtney love couldn't fucking focus on ANYTHING long enough to pull off the perfect murder.

 

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  posted on 5/4/2004 at 07:09 PM
ya know, i just read the title of the forum and i just knew that this was gonna be about Kurt cobain.

personally Nirvana opened the door to music for me...i stilll remember when i first heard "smells like teen spirit". my brother and i were up late, i had the top bunk and he the bottom....i also had the remote....i was flipping channels...and there was MTV and it was on...my brother and i had never heard anything like that...we just watched silently until it was over....we kept flipping channels to see if it was playing anywhere else....i felt like i had finally discovered music.

 

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  posted on 5/4/2004 at 07:47 PM
it was suicide... and if it was murder... what does it honestly matter?

Feral

 

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  posted on 5/4/2004 at 11:56 PM
Feh. Dead is dead is dead. Unless he was banging a Kennedy on the side and had the photos to prove it, I really don't see why there would be such a noisy conspiracy theory around it.

Has anyone else heard the joke "What color were Kurt Cobains eyes?"

 

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  posted on 6/4/2004 at 08:30 AM
Oh, my I hear the haunting sounds of ennui. You know who it is, of course. Cobain the friendly ghost.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2004 at 02:28 PM
FUCK... like the tit, and oj... I AM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THIS?

 

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  posted on 6/4/2004 at 02:43 PM
Bettie: Hate to sound like a twit here, but A-THE-FUCK-MEN. I fully agree with you.

While I extend my sympathies to those who were affected by the suicide, I have no respect for Kurt Cobain. He did it to himself. In fact, the only reason why he is given a lot of attention than taken with a grain of salt is because of his music career. If it were not for that, he would of been just another druggie, bumming on the streets.

That's my opinion on him...I just have no sympathy for those who commit suicide. I don't like it when people push people to do it, but it's an act that shows lack of values, not to mention it 'victimizes' the person. It also shows a sign of self-pity. Just imagine having a best friend who all of a sudden decides to pick up the gun and end it right there. Wouldn't you be haunted with the memories, asking, "Why?" That's why I do not like the act of suicide...unless it's to save another person's life.

[Edited on 4/6/2004 by Anya]

 

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  posted on 6/4/2004 at 03:38 PM
Ok. Let's look at the reality of this.

You have a kid from Seattle who dressed in clothes 3 times too big for him. They were wrinkled and crusty. His hair was tangled, greasy and he probably only showered once a month. I actually liked teen spirit until, like other songs I grimace to hear, it got played 500 times in a week. Then I heard the rest of his music and realized he actually didn't sing... he whined and mumbled poetry about "oh whoa is me" to music. Hell, I cannot stand "I just want to kill myself" attitudes from people I know, let alone listen to it on the radio.

So how the fuck did he become God? Because everyone started dressing in oversized clothing and stopped taking showers this guy is the father of stinky teenagers! Now he is being treated like Elvis! Next thing you know people will be saying he is still alive and they spotted him at Quickie Mart buying a slurpie.

He died 10 years ago! Get over it and stop playing his songs all freaking day over and over on the anniversary of his death. It makes me want to shoot tattered greasy kids in the head.

[Edited on 4/6/04 by EyeCandyRayce]

 

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  posted on 6/4/2004 at 04:25 PM
beethoven is dead too...

 

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  posted on 6/4/2004 at 06:41 PM
and so is Tupac, hendrix, a beatle, and many others.

but does how they died mean that their music meant any less? the fact that kurt killed himself doesn't really matter at all when i think about how his music influenced me. btw i'm not jumping down anyones throat or angry.... besides i'm sure you guys in Seatle are sick of it, i guess i would be too. yes i was and am still a fan. And Anya i totally agree with your statement on suicide....the way i feel about his is it was a wussy way out and he cheated himself and his family. then again he wasn't just another druggie was he??? their are many musicians today that try and fail to emulate him.

note: That's just the way i feel. don't read into it too much.....i'm not at all as serious about this as i may sound.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2004 at 08:23 PM
I'm pretty sure it was nothing more than a suicide. I think the only thing Courtney is capable of killing is her own career. I will always, always have a soft spot in my heart for Nirvana. When i first heard Bleach (circa 12-13 or so) it inspired me personally, to an extent that I really can't describe. Even after all these years I will still pop it in occasionally and listen, and think back to my formative years. i remember one of my friends getting kicked out of school for wearing her "Corporate Rock Whore" t-shirt to class.

Cobain's suicide was unfortunate, but I don't feel as though I am in a position to judge. Surely many of us have had days where just getting it all over with didn't seem like such a bad idea. Throw in an overly sensitive personality, the pressure of being famous, and a drug addiction...and that's it. There have been many other wonderfully talented people who committed slow suicide in less obvious ways.

So, I don't mind that they play it up in the news and on the radio. It brings back some really good memories for me, and some really bad ones. Take what you will from it, and if you don't like it then crack your jokes and change the channel. I would still rather listen to any of the songs from Nevermind than 99% of the crap that they play on the radio today anyway.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2004 at 08:32 PM
and i thought i was the only one

 

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  posted on 7/4/2004 at 12:23 AM
For what it's worth, at the time he died, I do remember actually mourning his death to a degree. He made an impact on music, he's still talked about and his music is still played, this is the proof of that impact. I guess it's a while back now, and I just add him to the list of people in music who passed on already. I'm not really sure why the radio stations are going on so much about it all, but I guess they just do that sort of thing for ratings. Besides, Ms. Courtney keeps herself all over the news, so I guess that's why it's still right there in people's minds about Kurt Cobain's suicide.

 

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  posted on 7/4/2004 at 12:29 AM
My take on the whole argument on the suicide or murder question is that it was most likely a suicide. I wouldn't be surprised though, if Courtney Love was right there urging him on to do it. That wouldn't make it murder, but it would make her a really sick person.

 

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  posted on 7/4/2004 at 08:53 AM
It isn't really a matter of judgment on my part, I just do not appreciate what the person doesn't consider when it's done. Then again maybe I need to lighten up, but I am sure that people can relate to my position on the suicide.
 

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  posted on 7/4/2004 at 09:52 AM
no... it does not make their music mean any less... but no offense, the music did not mean much to begin with,,, their not even caling the style grunge any more... most stations are calling it punk... makes you wonder doesn't it?

 

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  posted on 7/4/2004 at 10:12 AM
feral: i had heard that it was the radio stations and mostly press that began calling it grunge in the first place. i don't even think that the musicians that were getting called "grunge rockers" liked the category anyway. also grunge doesn't just have Nirvana to blame for it's being.....their was Pearl Jam, the Pumpkins, and more. people tend to forget that it just wasn't Nirvana that started the whole so called "grunge movement".

btw, of course his music "meant much", otherwise (some) musicians wouldn't be trying to emulate him now.

what gets me is that ten years after his death he can still get the cover of just about any rock magazine.....lol



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  posted on 8/4/2004 at 01:39 PM
Perl Jam and smashing were Rock before grrunge came into being... nirvana had a uunique sound untill they were copied by a dozen other bands... and the fact of the matter is the unique sound was cobbled from several different styles... guitars slightly out of tune - funk, WAY too much over drive and distortion on the stop boxes - metal, odd musical arrangements - punk, and the one thing that set the aside was the unintelligble lyrics... Now ... no offense to anyone.,.. but they were not punk... the radio stations around here are calling them punk and metal... they were a sound all their own which pretty much died with cobain... sooo... my point is... like the tit... leave it be...

Now on the flip sided, there is a lot of evidence pointing to possible homicide... but there was just as much for suicide... and frankly the guy who found him called the radio stations BEFORE the police... so you do the math...

Like oj, MJ, JJ and britney... I have heard enough of this topic to last 10 lifetimes...

 

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  posted on 8/4/2004 at 02:57 PM
Wait...since when is Kurt Cobain dead?

 

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