Anya
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/3/2004 at 07:43 PM |
I almost would want to put regulations on divorce. It's not the fact that
I want people's rights to be taken away or anything, but it's out of
control when people get married, get divorced, get married, get divorced,
etc. It'll get people to think deeply about who they're going to marry
and/or try to at least work things out before turning to divorce. That's
my opinion though. People can still get divorced, just need to work in
there somehow something that'll make marriage more valuable and/or
thought-out. Sorry, I just have to shake my head when people like J. Lo
gets married more than she changes her underwear. Then again, maybe that's
her right and Karma is biting her by giving her a bad reputation...I don't
know. Just food for thought.
I do personally think that marriage should be a sanctified thing. It
should be something special, something more than a bunch of legal documents
and a certificate. I'm probably sounding Republican or something but I
just do not like how the deed is taken granted often...could be part of my
spiritual side, too. If churches do not want to marry people that they
find disgusting, that's their right. Courts should be able to accept
anyone for they're an entity separate from church. Even though I have not
gotten married or anything, I do feel it is a special thing.
Okay, forgive my ranting...back to the subject...
Bush's stunt isn't really on my good side, for lack of better words.
However, at the same time, I do not feel like I should worry...unless it's
approved by the Supreme Court already, that bill is going to have to go
through them. Even though our Supreme Court is extremely conservative, I
think that even they will have something to say. It's a Constitutional
issue over anything. Besides, anyone, whether homophobic or not, would
find it stupid to see "Amendment 29 - NO GAY MARRIAGES (right Amendment
No.? I'm not finished with government classes yet)" on the
Constitution...even many of those Bible thumpers.
If I am wrong, though, please give me 40 years - I'll run for President!
PS: Bush just lost one of his most devoted groups - the Log Cabin
Republicans. http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/index.html
[Edited on 3/10/2004 by Anya]
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Anya
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/3/2004 at 07:53 PM |
http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/news_022504
No worries...there's hope......I think.
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Zero
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posted on 9/3/2004 at 08:43 PM |
Wow....I always thought that Republicans were the scourge of the
earth....guess I'm wrong.....So are Democrats hippies or is that just not
true too??? *confused look* 
I agree...marriage should be more sacred and should definatly not be
taken lightly. It would be nice if their was a way to make it harder to get
married for every couple and harder to get divorces for every couple. Maybe
something that requires couples counceling.....i mean if 2 people think
they're ready for marriage maybe we should make'em work for it first....OK
maybe that's a little extreme....but you get what I'm trying to say...
BY the way the whole J. Ho....I mean J. LO....thing pisses me off. ____________________
"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak." ~
The Sandman, Dream Country
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/3/2004 at 09:00 PM |
See, I think anyone who wants to get married should be able to, and if
they're stupid about it, don't take it seriously, or are too selfish to
work in a "give AND take" situation, then they get what they deserve in a
divorce. I don't care HOW many times they marry and divorce, because it
doesn't affect me, it's their OWN problem.
Now make people take classes to BREED...that's a whole nother issue
entirely.
The freedom to love and have that love and commitment legally recognised
with all the benefits and rights that come along with it (health care,
housing, taxes) is THE most basic right, in my opinion, right up there with
free speech and freedom of/from religion. In a selfish way, legalizing or
constitutionally banning same sex marriage DOES affect me as a person,
because when they put a line in the sand and invite everyone but certain
people over to THEIR side, they're setting a precedent that you're free
ONLY if you meet certain qualifications set by THEIR own personal standards
and belief systems. So, let's take the ever popular idea that bush
reinvented, of the "trickle down effect". The descrimination and
"standards" could be further restricted. Perhaps they don't like the way I
look, or the things I have to say, or the amount of money I make. They
draw a new line, and even if I make it on their side of the line, what's to
stop them from narrowing the field a little further?
Denial of the rights of one group of people will only lead to the denial of
another group of people, as everyone knows in order for a society to
"function" there has to be an inferior or a villain. The next inferior, or
abomination, or villain could be YOU, or ME. It's always easiest to turn
the other cheeck when you aren't immediately directly affected, but by
allowing it to happen, eventually the sights of "right" will be more and
more narrow until eventually "it" becomes YOU. ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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Anya
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/3/2004 at 09:11 PM |
Fundamentally, Republicans are closer to Libertarians than anything.
Libertarians, in fact, are Republicans to the extreme. Both are big on
laissez faire and want as limited government as possible. However, the
difference lies in the Republicans wanting emphasis on moral values, family
values, personal responsibility, etc. It would seem good at first, eh? So
in a way Republicans have a little bit more order than
Libertarians...unfortunately, that order is taken over by mostly theocratic
bastards, as you probably are referring to as the "scums."
When you think about it, Republicans would normally be for the homosexual
unions. After all, family values are an important foundation of the GOP,
no? As I said, there's quite a few theocratic bastards that're letting
their dogma get in the way of what the party should mean.
On the negative end, strong Republicans are very Darwinian - hence you will
see many of them in favor of business men. They work for a more
Captialistic system (come to think of it, Libertarians to the extremes
would too since they want as little government control on EVERYTHING). I'm
mostly Capitalist, but I do think that a little order is a necessary evil.
We should have some taxes so that we can afford government programs, but I
do not put as much emphasis on them as liberals do. It's all a matter of
position and opinion though. 
I didn't realize how close the two [Republicans and Libertarians] were
until I did some research after taking a political quiz, where I received a
high score on both Republican and Libertarian. A lot of self-proclaimed
Libertarians I knew were a bit more "left-handed" than me is why I never
noticed how close the two parties were.
Heh, I normally tell my English teacher from time to time, "I'm a
conservative Republican, not a conservative Christian." He'll get into
political debates in Socratic seminars sometimes and I'll advocate for the
more Republican side, just for the sake of debate. All things in
consideration, every party has their gives and takes. For instant, I do
not agree with all Republicans, nor do I disagree with all Democrats. In
all honesty, I do not see many people being one extreme or another, though
the extremists are the most heard voices out there.
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Anya
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/3/2004 at 09:22 PM |
As far as the divorce thing goes, I just think it's messed when people take
marriage for granted like that, but I suppose it is their problem.
Besides, the reality is not the fact that the two were not getting along,
but the fact that no one is going to get along ALL the time. People are
going to have rough edges with others. It's human. I mean if the husband
is extremely abusive, wont change after being offered (or given) help, etc,
then that's different. Just if people expect their spouse to get along
with them all the time, then they're going to be finding their selves going
through A LOT of marriages. Sometimes it bugs me, but I guess I'll let
them screw up (or benefit)...
I agree bettie. It isn't the line that is drawn at the time, it's the
lines that will follow after the drawn one...if that makes any sense. The
Brave New World is an example of this happening...it's a world that would
happen if we went to one extreme on the Socialist scale...to make all
things fair, Capitalism to a SEVERE extreme would leave no middle-class, a
lot of poor people popping babies (often enough from the lack of education
or birth control), crime rates going high due to desperate people, no form
of law enforcement or order, etc...it would be a true dog-eat-dog world.
Not 100% on topic, but it's how our rights and restrictions work.
Hopefully I'm making sense.
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gothicmorman
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posted on 10/3/2004 at 01:52 AM |
personally, and i know many of you have not agreed about this one, i can
see the side of the christian, if they dont want gay marrige then so be it,
i think they should be allowed to make their own rules like that, for
themselves. religion and state although should remain separate, i think
that by law there is really nothing wrong with gay people being married as
marrige was (are forementioned a while ago) created for the benefits by the
goverment and marrige was also created as a vow by religion. so these two
marriges are like two different issues and should be kept separate. gays
may be married by law but not in a church if the church does not so desire.
im not sure about canada (which is sad because i live here) but in the usa
part of the constitution is that religion and state remain separate because
the early settlers learned from what they saw back in europe. just my
opinion but there kind of is no right or wrong side to this issue... just
an opinion...
the ruthless
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MystryssRavynDarque
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 648 Registered: 24/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/3/2004 at 07:48 AM |
*Screams until I break down and cry* Damn people trying to take away
other's happiness. The world makes me sad sometimes. Can't they see that
two people of the same sex can love eachother just as much as a
heterosexual couple? GOD DAMN THE PUSHER! (or God damn that bible pushin'
man as in another version of the song)    ____________________
"People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell
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Anonymous
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posted on 10/3/2004 at 08:26 AM |
im will mono on the marriage thing. make it go away and make people set up
thier own contracts with each other. make health care charge per person and
not per marriage. make lovers have to testify against each other. make
people think it thru and have living wills, trusts, and medical release
forms. make all children "belong" to financially to thier genetic donners.
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IamSquid
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 658 Registered: 27/5/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/3/2004 at 10:58 AM |
| Yesterday, the state of Minnesota voted on weather or not to ammend the
state constitution to define marriage as between a man a woman. Fuck, man!
What kind of ASSHOLES go around telling people who they cna and can't
marry? For fuck's sake, this is supposed to be America, now we can't even
HIDE the fact that this place is a crooked fucking plutocracy! Who the
fuck even CARES? It's none of MY buissness who YOO marry, why the fuck
should YOO care who I marry? Oi... ____________________
i wanted to die, and then it progressed into wanting everyone else to
die so i could watch, and then me die.
-ickgirl
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/3/2004 at 02:49 PM |
EXACTLY, squid. My point is if someone doesn't agree with same sex
marriage, then they don't HAVE to marry someone of the same sex. You can
think its wrong, you can say it's wrong, but you can't let YOUR OPINIONS
effect or sublimate someone else's RIGHT. People thought the same thing
about slavery and women's rights, this is just the new battle ground.
Know how to end the descrimination between same sex/opposite sex marriage?
Flat tax, socialised healthcare, and either disolve the insitution of
marriage or open the gats for EVERYONE, polyamourous, same sex, opposite
sex, between CONSENTING ADULTS. ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/3/2004 at 03:09 PM |
| but the average fundy does not see it that way... if it is immoral, it is
wrong... and they think that anyhting that is not their way is immoral and
therefor cannot be allowed to proceed. OK.. so... that means that anything
that is fun, enjoyable or downright real is unacceptible and should be
wrong aswell as illegal... BUT cannibalism (this is my body) and vampirism
(this is my blood) are perfectly ok INSIDE THE CHURch walls... ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/3/2004 at 04:57 PM |
| word. freak-asses, the whole lot. I say to hell with 'em. Buncha snot
nosed stuck up wrinkly asses that can't leave anyone alone. Beh. ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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Anya
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 12/3/2004 at 04:06 PM |
I might just reconsider those passports that callei posted about not so
long ago...Switzerland is Capitalist, maybe I should go over there when the
US becomes cruddy. Plus, pot is legalized there without a problem so they
seem to have it settled there.
[Edited on 3/12/2004 by Anya]
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Anya
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 12/3/2004 at 10:48 PM |
On top of that, I heard that their culture is actually a lot nicer to women
than most modern-day ones. I'm actually a bit sick of hearing guys that I
know try to give me kissy looks, honk, and/or whistle. Sounds prude, but I
do feel that is a bit disrespectful. Then again, I guess they at least
speak their mind other than be extremely shy...not to sound like a snob or
anything, it just bugs me when they do it like that. (I don't wear any
skimpy clothes or anything either.) Of course, it could be said for half
of the European cultures - the comment about being more polite to the
women, that is.
*sighs* Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens...the ice isn't
shattered yet on my part...
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 12/3/2004 at 11:07 PM |
| well... I have to say... it is ALREADY CRUDDY ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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callei
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 759 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/3/2004 at 02:07 PM |
| you got to admit it has been fun watching gay marriage break out all over
the country the last 2 weeks. civil disobience from inside the power
structure is always the turning point. ____________________
Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
away.
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/3/2004 at 03:02 PM |
| yesh... thegovernator pretty much threatened san fran ____________________
The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 14/3/2004 at 10:22 AM |
I actually watched an interview with the governator the other night and
they threw gay marriage at him, and asked what his opinion was, and he had
the SLICKEST answer I've heard come from a politician in YEARS "My opinion
is irrelevant on the issue, it means nothing because I'm outside the
situation, I'm a representative of the people, and my job is to carry out
their will. My personal feelings on the matter aren't important."
He also said that technically YES they ARE breaking the law (which IS true,
even if it's unfair), but that when and if it is legalised they will be
legally recognised.
I think it's GREAT that they are breaking the law (and in a peaceful if
willfully obvious way), especially when GOVERNMENT officials are doing it,
because as callei said, when civil disobedience occurs WITHIN the system,
it sets things REALLY in motion.
Tho it's true that slavery was abolished by lincoln after the war mainly to
bankrupt the defeated south, all it took was ONE WOMAN breaking the law by
sitting in the front of a bus and refusing to move and a small group of men
and women sitting at the forbidden counter of a diner, to drive the point
home that an injustice to one is an injustice to all, and that a grevious,
unfair and absurd law would no longer be recognised.
I brought up gay marriage to my mom (because I know it bothers her, and I
love her anyway, but someone's got to make her squirm occasionally, and our
family's second-in-command trouble causer lives in california now), and
said that it was a small group of people screaming louder than everyone
else, making themselves appear the majority, as they hold the most power
(ie: money) and usually get what they want because of it. She then said
that if it wasn't for a small group of people screaming loudly then blacks
wouldn't have any rights today. Well, it was a small group of people
screaming loudly that DENIED them rights in the first place, and it took a
LARGE group screaming loudly to gain what they deserve as humans and
citizens of a "free country".
It's the same situation here.
If it comes to a vote of the people who, for the most part, have no right
saying ANYTHING about it, then you've got MINE.
And rest assured if I ever go into professional politics, I'll be the great
defender. But don't hold your breath, I'm naturally high strung and
politics will probably work me into an early death by self inflicted
aneurism.
____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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Anya
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/3/2004 at 05:59 PM |
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/18/county.gays.ap/index
.html
*vommit*
Whatever the fuck has happened to the prinicple: laissez faire?
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