MystryssRavynDarque
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 648 Registered: 24/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 6/6/2003 at 10:24 AM |
http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/action/display/wacmoreinfo
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http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/action/display/wacmoreinfo
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http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/action/display/wacmoreinfo
.asp?item=1598
Can you believe this shit?! We need to help out! We are the richest
nation in the world and we are doing nothing!
Last year a woman was stoned to death in another country for having a child
out of wedlock.
Can we find it within ourselves to at least send out a letter to the
leaders of these countries? Take action with me! ____________________ "People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
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Merry_Widow
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posted on 6/6/2003 at 10:37 AM |
Well...see, here is the problem. It never has been, nor will it ever be,
America's job to police the world. Inevitably, when it is tried, it ends
badly. Many times, people don't want America butting in, no matter how
well meant or how good the intentions are. And when I do think about aid
that we have tried to give, that people here at home raise stinks
about...well...let's just say the whole episode with Golden Rice really
didn't sit well wih me.
I do agree that stuff like this around the world sucks. What sucks mre is
the resistance that is encountered when people try to do something about
it. Just look at what the peace corps has to do in Nepal. ____________________ Okay, dazzle me. |
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Dense
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posted on 6/6/2003 at 11:02 AM |
Funny brits use to do things parallel to this. |
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 6/6/2003 at 11:06 AM |
Well said. I hear so often the cry from peoples to 'leave us alone'. Okay,
we will. More alone than you've ever felt. I don't want it to be that
way, and I hate the fact that it goes on, but a lot of those "human rights"
violations are their religious law. We might not agree with it, we might
not like it, but this narion of "free speech/religion/whatever" has no
right to hypocritically tell them no. Should they be able to petition for
political assylum? of course. If they ask us for help should we? of
course! but as MW pointed out, look how poorly our "help" has been
recieved in the past, and look how deep we've been in it with a lot of
other angry countries (that hate us anyway) when we even get involved with
peace resolutions during civil wars, warring political/ethnic factions, and
ethnic cleansing maniacs.
We may be the richest nation in the world, and we could pour our finances
into keeping people from blowing each other up, keeping them fed, keeping
them happy, and they'll still resent us, and bite the hand that feeds them.
Moneycan't buy you love or happiness.
Or peace for that matter. ____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. |
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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 6/6/2003 at 11:53 AM |
Idealism and a desire to help are admirable traits.
Realism however, is much more pragmatic and mandatory if you ever want to
actually change anything.
Don't get me wrong...I'm a fringe group weirdo...But if your going to
change something, don't charge in with an army...it never works the way you
want it too.
It sounds cruel and harsh, but let people solve their problems...leave
them be. Protect you and yours...and if heroism calls clarion to you...then
do your Heroism in your place, your home.
Thats the way change starts.
____________________ In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King |
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Starlight
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 618 Registered: 27/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 6/6/2003 at 09:04 PM |
When I was growing up, I remember my Dad saying "Charity begins at home."
He left me to interpret this in my own way. I always thought it was stating
that we have to cure our own problems in our own house before we go out and
try to encourage others to change their way of doing things. I have also
always thought of this in a wider scope that if we are to want other
countries to change their way of doing things in the way of human rights,
then we first have to fix the problems we have here in our own country. Of
course if we actually wait for every single problem to be solved before we
go out and try to solve others problems, then we'd probably never leave
home or have international trade. So, at this point I've come to look at it
as a way of changing things in your own way of doing things, and if someone
else sees what you do or asks how you think and they want to try that way
themselves, then good. As cruel as it may sound, it's entirely possible
that if a nation self-destructs, then it might very well be that they've
reached the level at which that nation is to become extinct. ____________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
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Remy
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posted on 9/6/2003 at 02:11 PM |
You have to consider that some of the countries that ignore human rights
belong to the most important trading partners of the western world... and
no matter how strong a government protests against the practices of - for
example - China, all these things are forgotten at the moment of the next
diplomatic visit.
Sometimes I wonder if we even have the right to enforce our views on human
rights the way we do... it sounds harsh, but nobody can really know if the
rights we believe in are correct or right. ____________________ "A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything and the value of
nothing." - Oscar Wilde |
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Abbadon
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posted on 10/6/2003 at 05:44 AM |
Hatred narrows the mind. ____________________ Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known. |
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Anya
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posted on 10/6/2003 at 09:20 AM |
True that.
Again, I'm personally the type who admires the Dalai Lama.
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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/6/2003 at 11:39 AM |
I dig that guy big time. There's just something about little super
peacefull bald old men in robes chillin all day that makes me all squishy
inside.
I saw something crazy involving monks a while ago. I was looking at cars,
and I saw this troop of monks in orange robes and sandals walking around
with a salesman pricing SUV's. Wierder things have happened, I guess ;P ____________________ Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. |
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Anya
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 10/6/2003 at 06:42 PM |
He, more or less, gave me hope that I can find a peace within myself and
perhaps a peace without. Speaking of that, I have an article I need to
finish that was inspired by him. Consider me silly if you want, but he's
like...one of my heroes, hehe. I really need to watch the movie on him
though. |
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