That's just plain disrespect. I mean, they were just under quarantine.
Nobody said that these chickens -couldn't- be soup. Just that they had to
wait a while to ensure that they were disease free. But nooo... Mr.
Money-pincher couldn't wait that long, so he had the chickens killed in the
cheapest manner possible...
Old McDonald ought to have his balls cut off.
Oh wait... what balls?
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posted on 14/4/2003 at 07:38 PM
The spread of disease is a huge issue that people should take seriously
when involving livestock. However, I do not think that this method of
vaporizing the poultry was such a good idea. It could cause a giant
infectious pink chicken cloud of death, which would defeat the purpose of
euthanasia in the first place. However, if I had to kill 30,000 chickens in
a short amount of time, I’d make a smoothie too. How else do you kill
30,000 chickens fast yet humanely anyway? Really- I want some input, cause
I have no idea.
OH my fucking god that made me sick. Fucking disgusting, cruel, assholes.
My fucking god.....
TO put it plainly as possible, after the farmers had no further use for a
living sentient being, as they'd stripped from them all they possibly
could, and could get no more, a wood chipper, A FUCKING WOODCHIPPER, is
seen as a viable fucking way to dispose OF A FUCKING LIFE?! I'D POSITIVELY
FUCKING LOVE TO HOLD THEM BY THEIR FUCKING OVERALLS OVER THE MOUTH OF A
GODDAMNED WOODCHIPPER AND GET THEIR FUCKING REACTION AS TO HOW GODDAMNED
HUMANE THAT WOULD BE TO DROP THEIR ASS IN IT.
Makes me fucking SICK.
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KatB
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 01:49 AM
I agree completely, that is totally unethical, immoral and disgusting. I
am positive there are other ways to effectively get the job done, without
being downright barbaric.
I just remembered a pun made by a local comedian, in a comment to the US
troops strapping live chicken to their tanks to detect gas (I have no clue
if this is actually the truth). He called it the world's largest Happy
Meal... Fried Chicken with a REALLY big toy... Can't help it, but I think
that was terribly funny.
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Rogue
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 06:18 AM
"Why did the chicken cross the road?" "To rain down on the other side!"
But seriously, I would like to hear an emotionless and rational answer to
Sticupus' question from earlier. I was morbidly amused by the article and
sent it to Meranda, but my amusement was mostly focussed on the fact that
this was an act sanctioned by the US government.
They had animals which were under quarantine and could not be made into
food, were useless for what they were intended to do, and they had no
facilities on site to destroy that many chickens since they were an egg
factory and not a slaughterhouse.
Factory chickens are not living a life of ease and luxury, so keeping them
alive was not doing any good anyway, plus they were believed to be
contaminated. Contaminated animals like this must be destroyed to prevent
the disease from spreading. Although I admit that the methods used here
had a certain "America's Funniest Home Videos *vs* Faces of Death XXV" feel
to them, there is a question that must be answered rationally before any
undergarments become twisted.
What else could they have done at that point? Thirty thousand possibly
diseased chickens, no mass killing facilities, USDA endorsement of the
method.
Besides, if you've seen wood chippers in action you know that it was a
quick death and thus somewhat humane although messy.
My question is, what do you do with the mess since it is nasty and diseased
(if one chicken had the disease, the entire mess does even if all the other
chickens were fine) and now rapidly decaying because it is in California?
I usually put stuff that comes out of a wood chipper on my bushes, but I
somehow doubt that there is a market for poultry mulch. I hope that we all
learned something from the BSE scare in Britain and that they were not
planning to feed this white-meat smoothie to the next batch of chickens.
In short, people who are offended by this action please answer:
* What is the correct thing to do with thirty thousand diseased chickens
that cannot be moved from a place that has no killing facilities?
* What, in theory, were they planning to do with the mulch?
* What do you do with a drunken sailor, early in the morning?
Xaoswolf
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 07:28 AM
Damnit, don't they know that you feed Iraqi dissadents through
woodchippers.
Chickens go in the blender.
Was going to make a chicken crossing the road joke, but Rogue beat me to
it, damnit.
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 07:54 AM
Heh heh heh...man, I haven't had the laughs this bad since 'nam.
Honestly though, they really could have at least tried to be creative...
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ComteStGermain
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 08:06 AM
Perhaps they were Scroedinger's chickens, and someone opened the box to
observe their quantum state. I find it interesting to note, Sticupus, that
in the shoutbox you had said that there were more important things to
discuss than feather margaritas, and yet here we are. Draw your own
conclusions about the morbid fascination that people display, such as the
example given by Rogue in his recent article. People are disgusted, they
insist, but cannot avert their gaze.
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 09:21 AM
After reading this past issue of the magazine Adbusters I found a
interesting letter sent in (As most articles in adbusters are people
writting in..) and it discussed such events..Aparently its not just the
wood chipper..
"your article "the Age of Chicken" was insightful. -but let me fill you in
on what goes on before the chickens are shipped. I work in an Onterio
chicken Hatchery owned by maple lodge. Whne you work with eggs, some are
bound to break. Picture an egg falling to the floor and cracking open in a
big bloody mess, and seeing a wet not fully formed chick squirm in the air.
It stops moving quickly enough, thankfully, before you have to pick up the
mess and toss it in the egg bucket. Unhatched eggs, eggshell and dead or
bad chicks get dumped into a pipe which shoots them down to the small three
bladed "chop box". The pipeline them vacumes everything into a large
storage tank. Unlocking and opening the storage room's door means instant
gagging...unless you get used to the smell of shredded life. Sometimes we
have surplus chicks, and apparently Canandian laws prevent us from giving
them away, so down the grinder they go.
Somedays i feel utterly horrible, my conscience reeling. Other days i am
com pleatly desensitized and joke with fellow workers. Sometimes, apon
shipment, i'll find a lone chick. Should i starve or freeze to death, or
put it out of its misery? The answer is easy, but too bad it has to be done
with my bare hands. How long can i hold out?"
-MIKKO T. ERKKILA
I read this magazine because i think its rather informative due to the fact
that real people write in about things they witness.
Im totally against the chicken producing industry and seeing articles such
as these, only furthers my sadness for these animals.
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Ironboots
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 03:18 PM
Man... I am either going vegetarian or raising livestock myself...
A LIFE IS NOT A COMMODITY!
Anyway, as to Rogue's Questions:
"* What is the correct thing to do with thirty thousand diseased chickens
that cannot be moved from a place that has no killing facilities? "
I say that they should be quarantined separately, or at least in batches.
Go through each batch, and if they pass quarantine (are proven to be not
diseased), send them on through the dirty system to become someone's
dinner. At least their lives will have been for something. Not wasted just
because nobody could take the time for their sake.
"* What, in theory, were they planning to do with the mulch? "
Create the world's biggest inedible fajita.
* What do you do with a drunken sailor, early in the morning?"
*shrugs* Give him a beer to stave off the hangover and send him to work?
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 03:25 PM
No, no, no. You have it all wrong. You throw him in bed with the captains
daughter.
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dead-cell
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 03:53 PM
Even if all 30,000 chickens were infected they could have been put to
better use. Like feeding the local zoo. I doubt that a lion or baboon would
have caught exotic newcastle disease. Heck, hyenas eat bloted disease
riddeled carcasses for breafest.
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Sticupus
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 04:14 PM
Rogue - I'm not sure what they could have done in this situation. I mean
it's all just bad at every angle. I think this scenario deserves a word I
only take out on special occasions; Cluster fuck.
ComteStGermain- The Notes Box is a very general place of conversation. In
my opinion, it wasn't appropriate to leave there. It's for saying hi and
such or whatever. A forum is a place where one can focus on a topic, it's
not a general talking area (with extremely limited talking space I might
add). Thus I moved it in here so that we may further discuss it, and get to
some good points about the issue. Also, then I don't have to get all
worried that people will focus on a big chicken smoothie and not all of the
craziness in the world that needs everyone's full attention -cause' it
effects us all.
As for the morbid fascination, don't pride yourself, you do it too. At
least I involuntarily puke when I smell dead things. Oh and the article
wasn't about that anyway.
Interesting VampCourt thank you.
dead-cell- you can't feed them to the local zoo, that spreads disease- so
when the litter girl gets her hand licked by the chicken mulch eating llama
her hand doesn't turn black and fall off.
Xaoswolf- The Iraqis went into the plastic shredder, so the chickens can
still go in the wood chipper, and you can keep the chum separated for your
usage and liking.
And I wonder how fast does it take a chicken to die in a wood chipper? The
little bits might live on longer than the initial "BBBBPPPPPPFFFFT!"
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VampCourt
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 04:49 PM
about as fast as it would a human.
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 04:56 PM
No, he actually has a point about the little bits. Here in Ohio, there was
a man who tried to behead a chicken for his dinner. He left the headless
chicken in a bucket in the basement for his wife to pluck and cook while he
was at work. Much to her surprise, when she went to get the chicken and
pluck it, it was strutting about the basement, as happy as you please
WITHOUT A HEAD!!! True story. They kept that chicken alive for about a
year before it died from a feeding accident...
And RC, I would reply to your very very very valid questions, but I either
cannot or will not (haven't figured out which yet) separate my emotions
from an issue such as this, because well, the animal products industry in
general disgusts me. My answer to such a question as "what do you do with
them" would be the highly unlikely scenario of "don't put them in that
situation to begin with"...not a situation where they would get sick, as
everything, no matter the precautions, gets sick once in a while, but
rather not put then in a position of being born for slaughter, no matter
the method.
And if woodchippers are considered humane (ie: quick), then what are we
wasting our tax dollars on electricity and sodium penthanol when we could
just feed americas most wanted into a chipper for about a buck fifty worth
of deisle fuel? Oh wait..I forgot..they're just animals...the chickens I
mean.
Idiot rednecks or not folks, this is just a chip off the iceburg of the
factory farm life, and just ONE of the things that happen there. The
reason that anyone made a big enough stink to write a news article about it
is because SOMEBODY saw what nobody wants to believe, which is that this
kind of crap happens every day. Whether it's making the worlds largest
inedible chicken fahita, or making half dead cows play "king of the hill"
with a bulldozer.
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KatB
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 05:27 PM
Up here an ostrich (?) farmer got a pretty heavy sentence for his original
way of slaughtering his livestock.
It turned out the birds' brains were to small to be much effected by the
regular slaughtering gun or what he tried at first, so he got his gardening
scissors and cut their heads of with them. In a way I suppose even that is
less distressing than using a woodchipper, not that that would have been a
good idea with ostriches though. After reading that article I had this
really strange vision for quite some time about the bouquet of long
ostrich-necks neatly put on a vase on their dinner table. Gawd I'm
rambeling, sorry.
About the chickens - I dunno, maybe gas & burn. I have absolutely no
knowledge of poultry farming, sorry, although my granddad used to have
chicken. And sure, they DO run around for a while after loosing their
heads, the little weirdoes.
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Meranda_Jade
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 06:57 PM
gas and burn is what I thought was the most reasonable... and far, far less
messy...
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posted on 15/4/2003 at 08:11 PM
The farmgirls have spoken LOL
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