Psychopixi
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posted on 28/4/2003 at 11:45 AM |
| And of course original sin, which all future Christians have to atone for. ____________________
Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life.
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Tvileren
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posted on 28/4/2003 at 01:14 PM |
| But how can you have free will if you only know of good? Confused here,
can it really be a free will if they only knew of good and not evil? ____________________
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dead-cell
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posted on 28/4/2003 at 04:04 PM |
Ok I believe thier is a version of the bible out their that says "And God
came upon a planet of dust and bones" Whos bones? This panthoen of Gods
are they playing a game; some kind of SimCity only more advanced. For what
purpose? To see if good or evil would preveil? Or is this entertainment on
a grande scale? And if God made everything in seven days, dose that mean it
actually took him 7000 years? Was it not Ceaser who figured out 7 days go
into a week, about 4 weeks to a month, 12 months go into a year; all based
on his observations of the lunar cycle?
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co-worker: "Your gay!?"
myself: "Didn't you see my rainbow pin?"
co-worker: "I just thought you liked skettles."
-(yes, it actually happened to me)
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Xaoswolf
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posted on 28/4/2003 at 05:09 PM |
It wasn't that man only knew good, it was that he didn't know the
differance between good and evil.
Up until he ate the fruit, he was truely innocent. He simply lived. ____________________
Sometimes I dream about dinosaurs shopping for cargo shorts at the Gap.
Does that make me a bad person?
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Starlight
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posted on 29/4/2003 at 01:01 AM |
| Okay...so now I suggest we all just get nekked and eat apples. ____________________
"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
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Anya
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posted on 15/5/2003 at 09:33 PM |
I cannot totally define my spiritual path - I been called from just a
spritual person to an eclectic Christian (having my beliefs but adopting
many more). I'm not 100% with the dogma, though; I have an attraction for
women and have no problem with it. Also unlike what some of these Bible
thumpers will shove down your throat, I think that God is more of a within
thing than a without; spirituality is a personal thing and no one should
really be scorned upon for having a different dharma *path/way/etc*...this
goes for Christians on both sides, as well.
For those who say that not being a Christian means you're a
devil-worshipper, I respectfully disagree with that. It's debatable, but
for one, what is my place to judge? And two, Christians are just as prone
to the lower soul as a non-believer. Hell, take a look at history, check
out the damn religious zealots that caused atrocity.
I have nothing against you and even if I was more of a "goody-two" than I
am now, I still wont hold it against you. Like Merry Widow said, there's
some quotes that should be taken into consideration...a lot of these quotes
the "Holier Than Thou" people do not even follow themself.
I'd like to say that I have my opinions, but that goes for many people.
Nowdays, you actually can get three different answers from the same
denomination - amazing how liberal we are from the older ways, eh? 
There's a saying in the Wicca rede that I always liked...it goes somewhere
on the lines of:
"An ye' harm none, do what ye' will."
That's going to be my basic attitude on this.
...Okay, enough of my rambling. Heh. Don't worry though Psyche - I been
getting crucified myself for my independence. You're reading the post of
someone who loosely reads in the New Age/Occult section. This post is a
bit late, but I thought I'd finally post my input on it. ____________________
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Abbadon
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posted on 16/5/2003 at 10:19 AM |
| They who have ears, let them hear. ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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guttersnipe
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posted on 16/5/2003 at 07:51 PM |
As a true martyr that has experienced 12 years of all girls' catholic
school, I think I'm in my place when I say that Christianity is bullshit.
Being forced by franciscan nuns to study CERTAIN bible quotes (the ones
that dont contradict themselves) redundantly has shown me that this is the
most ludicrous thing created by man. Passage after passage after passage,
the only "light" that I saw was that the Bible is truly an over-worshipped
oxymoron.
I wont get far into it, but let's use an example. The people that told the
certain people that scorned you about sex had to be preists, right?
Logically thinking, it's impossible to assume that those certain preists
(males) had completely avoided masturbation, pre-marital sex, and so on
before they were ordained. IMPOSSIBLE. Think of one guy over the age of 35
(i belive the youngest to become a deacon is around that age) that hasnt
had sex EVER. If you know one, he is a liar. Lying is also a sin.
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Dolorosa
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 856 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 17/5/2003 at 04:26 PM |
Wait...don't Martyr's have to be...you know, like Dead or something?
The Bible is a holy book, just like all the other holy books out
there...it's neat, and theres some wisdom in there...but like all things,
it's truths lay in the eye of beholder I suppose...
Wisdom of any type can sound foolish. And fools can rarely tell the
difference.
I'm not a bible man myself, but I respect the book all around...like I do
all the others...
And c'mon, doesn't it feel just cool as hell to rattle off some creepy
Bible verse at an opportune moment? Heh, I get a hell of a kick out of
it...Quoting scriptures and then following up with a bit of Sun Tzu before
kicking someones ass is fucking fun as hell. ____________________
In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King
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Psychopixi
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posted on 18/5/2003 at 01:12 AM |
The Bible I can respect, because even though I'm not Christian I think
anyone can see that it has some good ideas in it. I won't respect the
people who read it unless they give me reason to though. Everyone here,
irrespective of faith, has my respect because they've proven themselves to
be decent individuals. The people who just use the Bible to suit their own
ends, or those who blindly accept everything it says, however, need a kick
up the arse.
I tend to quote weird people, rather than weird Bible verses, but I'm sure
that it could be alot of fun. ____________________
Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life.
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Abbadon
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posted on 18/5/2003 at 04:39 AM |
| Hell is the possibility of sanity. ____________________
Light is changing to shadow, and casting a shroud over all we have known.
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Schizo
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posted on 18/5/2003 at 08:14 AM |
Well, Guttersnipe, hate to disagree with you, but some people do manage to
make it quite a few years without sex. My brother, for example. Turns 29
this month, and never even kissed anyone. And he's definitely not a liar.
It takes a lot of brainwashing, but it's possible. It also takes a very
stubborn, pig-headed personality, which is one of my family's most
prominent traits.
But I will admit, such people are few and far between. It's no coincidence
that so many preists get caught in sexual scandals. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Merry_Widow
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posted on 18/5/2003 at 10:34 AM |
Guttersnipe, I am willing to say that your experience with the Catholic
religion has been less than a good time, but to then go on and say that the
religion as a whole is bullshit... not cool. That would be like me
condemning the entire idea of worshipping the Mother just because I had
some idiot attack me for not knowing about the Coven of Diana that was
apparently active near my home. Bits and pieces don't show the
whole...they show bits and pieces of the whole. Sure there are nasty
Christians. I've filed harrament complaints against them. But where ever
faith and beliefs are involved, there is going to be ugliness. Just let it
go, and move on.
And yes, to be a martyr, you have to be dead. ____________________
Okay, dazzle me.
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AloneSoul
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posted on 18/5/2003 at 01:53 PM |
I personally am not to big a fan on following a certain religious sect or
orthodoxy blindly. The more people they have, the more control and power
falls into their hands. The people to them ARE nothing but sheep, a herd
which must obey each command...uphold every moral belief the church has...
It’s sickening to see so many groups condemn others for have “dissenting”
ideals or condemn those who are willing to think beyond the lines of that
certain orthodoxy’s morals/boundaries.
Like I said many times before; religion should enhance your life, not
control it.
I believe there is a god and Christ’s existence is a possibility. I don’t
follow the bible or the teachings of Christianity.
It is said that before his supposed crucifixion, Christ wrote a scripture
stating that your body is it’s own church and you do not need to flock into
a wooden sanction for Heavenly salvation. The church considers that
document heresy. Interesting to me it is. ____________________
 but at least you know, just how much pain there is in living
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Dolorosa
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posted on 18/5/2003 at 11:26 PM |
No one believes in blindly following anything...but that doesn't stop them
from doing it.
Their reasons may be strange, or SEEM non-existant...but they are there,
even if the person in case isn't fully aware of them.
Saying that you don't like people who follow a faith blindly is kind of a
fubar in and of itself. You could say that no-one follows anything blindly,
they just follow it with different eyes.
Or you could alternately say, that Can any claim to see where others do
not?
Little zen koan crapuloids right there for ya'
In any case, what a topic!
You will not find virtue in a religion. You will find virtue in a person.
And the virtuous person can sometimes find strength in religion...and ALL
people find strength in faith...no matter it's nature. ____________________
In the valley of the Goats, the Goat Fucker is King
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Xaoswolf
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posted on 19/5/2003 at 08:18 AM |
| Hey now Dolo, I'm all for a good old fashioned blind following. Especially
because I think that's the only way I'm ever going to gain power. I'll
need my blind folowing to back me up as I take over, no sane person will
help, and I can't afford mercanaries yet. ____________________
Sometimes I dream about dinosaurs shopping for cargo shorts at the Gap.
Does that make me a bad person?
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Psychopixi
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posted on 19/5/2003 at 09:56 AM |
"You could say that no-one follows anything blindly, they just follow it
with different eyes."
Yep. Closed eyes.
I know a lot of people that honestly don't think anything about their
religion than what they've been told to think. They haven't questioned one
single thing, and when I say following blindly -THAT- is what I mean. ____________________
Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life.
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Anya
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posted on 19/5/2003 at 03:29 PM |
It's debatable - the blind thing, that is. Think of it as gluttony...too
much indulgence can leave a blind spot, but faith isn't totally a bad
thing...just not something to depend on. While it can help you survive in
the sense of being willing to move on and well...survive, it can leave you
huddling in the desert, not moving and praying and hoping <enter deity
of your choice here> will save you. And as AloneSoul said, I think
faiths and religions should be something to enhance your dharma, not
dominate your life. Or better yet, not taken to the extreme that you get
caught in a web of mere dreams (you gotta work for your dreams) that you
think that certain deity will make appear *just* before you.
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AloneSoul
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posted on 19/5/2003 at 10:45 PM |
Everyone has a obsession, you gotta admit that. For some, it’s religion.
Some people do follow certain sects with blind devotion... Sometimes I
wonder, is there a difference between faith and “blind” faith?
Going back to a previous discussion on this thread, being forced to go to
CCD for four years every freak’in Sunday morning didn’t really help to
enhance my faith. CCD made me question it more than anything else. Heh, my
brother hated it; if there was a way to be booted from CCD, he found it. ____________________
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bettie_x
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posted on 21/5/2003 at 12:27 AM |
| The only way I'd ever follow something blindly is if it involved a baseball
bat and the promise of a big pinjata full of cigarettes. ____________________
Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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