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Author: Subject: A Gothic history lesson.

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 12:16 AM
Since many Shmeng members are still in highschool (ha ha) and the iron bars of those prisons are slowly opening up again to welcome back your warm bodies, I’ve decided to share with you all interesting text document I found in my computer one day. I don’t know how it got there but it’s there.
Enjoy.


- Other gothic information.

*Author Unknown*
The Goths (200 to 714)

The Goths were a Germanic tribe on the Danube River frontier known to the Romans from the first century AD. Pressured and then displaced when the Huns moved west out of Central Asia, the Goths moved west into Europe and over the Danube River to escape the oncoming hordes. After taking part in the fall of Rome, they vied with other barbarians for the leavings of the Western Roman Empire during the Early Middle Ages.

The Goths originated on the island of Gotland in the Baltic, to the best of our knowledge, and split into two groups as they migrated south across Central Europe. The Visigoths, or West Goths, settled in modern Romania during the second century. The Ostrogoths, or East Goths, settled farther to the east on the northwest coast of the Black Sea. In 376 AD the Visigoths were driven from modern Romania by the Huns and moved south across the Danube. Their strength was estimated at 60,000 men, women, and children. They defeated a Roman army from Constantinople, settled briefly south of the Danube, and then pushed into Italy. In 409 they sacked Rome under their king Alaric and then moved north into Gaul. The Romans gave them southwestern Gaul. From there they eventually extended their rule into all of modern Spain and Portugal.

The Ostrogoths broke away from Hunnish rule and followed their cousins into Italy late in the fifth century. They were encouraged to invade by the Eastern emperor, who wanted deposed the barbarian then ruling as viceroy. Under Theodric, king of modern Switzerland and the Balkans already, the Goths entered Italy in 488, completing its conquest in 493.

Theodric´s kingdom did not last long following his death in 526. Using a struggle for succession as an excuse, the Byzantines sent an army to Italy in 536 led by their great general Belisarius. The Byzantines hoped to regain Italy and restore the old Roman Empire in the West. The war dragged on, devastating the countryside in conjunction with plague and famine. In 552 the Ostrogoths were finally defeated in Italy. They ceased to exist as a separate group by the late sixth century when northern Italy was invaded by a new group of barbarians called the Lombards.

The Visigoth kingdom lasted somewhat longer. In the late fifth century Clovis of the Franks pushed the Visigoths out of France and over the Pyrenees Mountains. Following the death of Clovis his kingdom fragmented and the Visigoths were temporarily left alone. In 711 a new threat appeared from the south. Islamic armies crossed over from North Africa and destroyed the last Gothic kingdom in four years.

The Goths are remembered for being the first to sack Rome and thereby beginning the final collapse of the ancient world order in Europe. Their admiration for Rome and attempts to preserve it, however, allowed much of the Roman culture to survive. For example, the modern languages of Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, and Romania are derived from Latin influenced by later settlers. They are not variations of German, as was the case in England.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 12:24 AM
I´d like to see one of the modern day romantic fops that goes by "goth" try to topple rome...that´d be a kick in the pants for sure *snicker*
I say that if we ever go to war again, we send all the rave goths...they can blind and disorient the enemy with strobes, glow sticks, and flinging glitter with pounding, deafening EBM and Dance Industrial to totally confound them, send half into seizures, the other few into a drug dazed bliss, and then the rivet heads can come in and finnish up any dirty work that may remain.
Then the gutter punks can just squat their country until they get sick of the puke puddles and broken bottles, and promise to behave themselves just to make them go away.
Then the hippie tree huggin goths can go in and clean up the mess.

Ah, the power of kettlecorn on a late sleepless night...

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 12:27 AM
hehe, a global gothic domination.

*i could go for some Everclear*

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 01:03 AM
Oh! Don’t forget to send all the poser goths on the front lines.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 03:11 AM
It makes you wonder what a bunch of people moping around wearing black has to do with a bunch of Germans with beards who toppled the Roman empire doesn´t it?!

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 07:55 AM
http://www.shmeng.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file =article&sid=302

besides a few histoic inaccuracies (the first northern heresy, three tribes that originated as far north as scandinavian germany, and who paid aleric and his people to sack rome and why they did it to name a few) i can agree.

And for the record, there are lots of place names around the world that include the word "goth".

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 12:40 PM
Again I just found this on my computer.
Interesting, none the less.

I personally would like to know more about the tribes themselves. During the times of the Roman Empire, Germanic tribes were a very big thorn in their ass....
Man, where´s Monolycus when you need some enlightenment?

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 06:38 PM
C, I still love that "history" bit you did and how it ties in to the "mopeys" bit. It just sort of ties things into a nice little black bow.
Posers or not, send in the goddamned mallrats first to take the heavy casualties.
Friggin mallrats. *Snarl*
I think it just may work. Hell help you should I ever rule. Bwahahahha.
You could always go with plan A. Plan B is send the intellectual goths over to talk them to death, and Plan C is send the morose goth kids over to whine them right into mass suicide.
I´m too fucking smart for retail, I think sometimes..
Or to homicidal...go fig.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 07:17 PM
AloneSoul: That text file was from Age of Empires II. They have a little medieval encyclopedia built in, and that is one of the source files for it. Probably (if your computer is second-hand) the previous guy didn´t erase everything completely.

Bettie X : Yes, you may hate mallrats. But they´re your job security. If they were smart enough to find stuff on their own, they wouldn´t need you.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2002 at 12:36 AM
Bettie, you’re my war consul from now on.
If global domination was achieved, what would be the name of this new place?
Hmmmm....

See, you send in the morose kids to infiltrate the “norms” society. Slowly, their worlds begin to crumble, mass suicide follows and then we attack. Now, how will we get them to fight? The mall rats will be given a gift certificate to Hot Topic if they survive the front lines, the posers follow. Ravers will blind the enemy with their free glow sticks/pants and so they should be among the front. Then, the punky goths follow to wreck havoc, each given a six pack of Bud Ice and a bottle of vodka.

God, I really have TOO much time with insomnia.

Ironboots, my older brother used to play Age of Empires II religiously till he left for college. That explains it...and it´s easy to make fun of mall rats. My sister was one, my brother and I had a field day with insults for her.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2002 at 10:03 AM
Of course he would play it religiously. Its a good game. *Unleashes a Teutonic rush against the British Castle* BWAHAHAHA!!!!
*chanting* England sucks rocks!

(No offense to any English people here, I merely mean the in-game England)

But about your world domination plans, who would decide who is a poser? That all goes back to the what-is-goth discussion/argument/catfight. Your war council would be crippled because they would not be able to resolve the issue!

To catch a mallrat, you do not put cheese in the mousetrap. You must use a pair of GAP jeans as bait. For mallrats are fickle about their cheese. But GAP jeans are always good to them.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2002 at 11:01 AM
Oi! Gimme a bottle of vodka and a six pack and I can take over the world for you. :evil:

 

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  posted on 2/9/2002 at 12:26 PM
hehe, don’t take so many things too personally Devilbunny, only jesting!

I could never get into AOEII, it didn’t run that good on my computer. Total Annihilation on the other hand...

 

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  posted on 2/9/2002 at 03:29 PM
Ill choose who the poseurs are. Im good at being a bitch, right?
More that 5 things for hot topic (unless you, a close friend or a parent works there) gets you to the top of the cannon fodder list.
the jury is out the the black lipstick during the day tho...

 

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  posted on 2/9/2002 at 05:05 PM
The counsel has spoken.
*survivor music plays*

(And you aren’t a bitch, heh, don´t think that.)

 

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  posted on 3/9/2002 at 11:18 AM
I´m thinking we should throw Alonesoul out there just for mentioning Survivor...

 

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  posted on 3/9/2002 at 11:36 AM
I think the fashion wing of the Goth High Council are relaxing a bit about spikes and black lipstick before Labor Day, Callei. Frankly, I wouldn´t mind seeing a return to dress robes, but I think the days of young, angry Teutons shining up their best cuirass before sacking a city on a lazy Sunday afternoon with a few hundred of their friends are a thing of the past. *sigh* Almost makes you want to go and join the Suevi.

~Monolycus.

 

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  posted on 3/9/2002 at 11:50 AM
*laughs* Oh come on, don´t tell me you never once watched that awful show or any “reality tv” out of curiosity!

 

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  posted on 3/9/2002 at 02:23 PM
I am an archetypal nerd... I have not, to date, watched a "reality tv" show (who came up with that oxymoron to describe game shows anyway?) When I saw that you had written "Survivor", it took me awhile to figure out that you weren´t talking about a crappy band from the 1980´s. :-P I am,

the perennially out-of-touch,

~Monolycus.

 

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  posted on 3/9/2002 at 04:55 PM
One of my greatest flaws is my burning curiosity.

Survivor, a “reality” based tv show where people have to run threw flaming hoops and perform other stupid stunts. It had my attention for three minutes. I thought they were REALLY going to drop people off into a island and let them fend for themselves hence the term “survivor.” But hunting and establishing a competent society in a deserted island is too boring and harsh for tv.

Ack, you ever have one of those days where you want to throw your remote in your tv? Heh, when I watch my daily dose of DBZ and Simpsons, I get that urge by just seeing those god awful commercials for...well, everything.

Hm, ranting again.

 

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