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  posted on 27/8/2002 at 10:23 PM
Hey guys.

I´m very worried. I got back from the vet today with all three ratties in tact (thank goodness), but two of the three are gravely ill.
Nico has a horrible skin condition. I had already ruled out parasites because she´s got dark fur and I could not see any, and the mother rat had no skin symptoms. She´s always had itchy skin, and I´ve done a number of things such as change the type of shavings I use for bedding, adding MORE fresh food to their diet, and making sure their cage is always clean and cool and that they have fresh water. It´s never been this bad. I cleaned out their cage last week and she was positively COVERED in scabs and sores...soo miserable my poor baby! I immediately called a vet and made the soonest possible appointment, which was four days later (today, tuesday).
My other little girl, lucy....*sigh* she had just recovered from pnemonia...she had a long recovery, it was really bad. I thought she was finally better, she was not goobery and dying and sneezing, got her appetite back and all that.
BOTH of them don´t really like to come out to play, so I pet them and play with them inside their large cage when we´re up at the same time.
They usually hide a lot, as rats do, so I don´t see them all the time, sometimes they ONLY come out to eat and such.
I also noticed when I was cleaning out the cage and they were out in the light, that lucy was SKINNY. VERY skinny. Dangerously skinny. I called the vet AGAIN and had her put on my appointment for today, hoping against all that they would both make it for the four days I had to wait.
The odd thing about this is that the mother rat is not sick, her skin is fine, she´s fat and happy and sociable, as usual. I took her to be looked at as well in case she had symptoms I couldn´t see..but the vet said she´s fine. I also took her so she could see a comparison, that she´s healthy and happy, that I"m not some horrid animal neglector or abuser or totally incompetent.
Soooo my appointment was today...and I really thought that I would only come home with nico and poppy...I thought for sure lucy would have to be put down and I cried practically through the whole visit which made me feel like an idiot, but the vet understood and was a really really nice and compassionate lady.
LUCKILY she has some hope, but what the vet told me wasn´t very encouraging. She was really worried about lucy and the fact that the weight loss came right after a bad round of pnemonia.
Little did I know, that pnemonia can wreak havoc on other organs if it´s severe enough, especially the kidneys. The vet figures that the infection went to her kidneys and stayed there...and that is what is wrong with her. Her kidneys are trashed and failing. I was given antibiotics for both, and nico was given a cortizone shot for her skin.
The only thing I can do for my poor little lucy is give her the antibiotics and a low protein diet, as proteins are hard on her kidneys and could spell out her end for her, causing them to ultimately fail.
Nico´s condition could be a food allergy or an allergy to the bedding she´s in, tho it´s aspen, and has no oils or scents...I´m going to buy that ink free paper pulp...as neutral as possible from now on.
Plus I have to change their diet, as nico´s allergy could be to food, and lucy has to have as low a protein diet as possible..which is where I´m having a problem. I can give them fresh fruit and veggies, but they NEED grains...I know I have to cut out corn, as it is HIGH in complex proteins. Also most nuts...no more peanuts or pistachios or sunflower seeds for a while...they love those
I know I can give them rice, THE most hypoallergenic food stuff out there, and I am probably going to go find some bags of dehydrated veggies and make my own rat food mix for them in addition to the fresh food they already get.
Does anyone know of anything that would be really good for them and lucy´s kidneys? I´m pretty well grounded on what they can and can´t have now, but anything would be of help.
Lucy´s life depends on it.
I´m very very very worried about her...she doesn´t look good, and tho she´s at the moment climbing the sides of the cage and being active (the first time in a week), she´s still not grooming herself and is deathly thin.
My worst fear is that they´ve both been born with an autoimmune deficiency...which could be why they get sick so often, and nico´s and lucy´s skin is so cruddy while poppy´s is fine. Why they both got pnemonia so bad, while poppy recovered within a couple days. If they have severely poor immune systems, their days are numbered
I´m willing to do anything I can to keep them healthy, but it´s a rather dire thought.
Let me know if you have any input, and thanks in advance...

bettie with the poor sick ratties
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  posted on 28/8/2002 at 05:45 AM
Bettie~

I am so sorry to hear about your ratties! I also raised and loved rats. It has been a few years; it broke my heart when Angus and Scota passed away... I couldn´t bring myself to replace them. I am sorry that your wee friends are having such terrible problems. Unfortunately, I can not offer you any advice that your veterinarian didn´t. I will light a candle for your rats (and for you) and keep you in my thoughts. I am,

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  posted on 28/8/2002 at 09:10 AM
hi bettie

i´m in a bit of a hurry, but wanted to respond. the one with the scabby skin (nico?), does he(she?) seem fine otherwise? is he losing his fur? see, i had a guinea pig who lost most of his fur, he looked TERRIBLE and he was scabby, and they could not find any parasites. So, I took him to a few different vets, and one said that there is a very teeny parasite that can´t be seen under the microscope in the vet office, but that it was her gut instinct that he had that parasite (she raised lots of small animals and had seen the symptoms before).

she gave him a series of shots over about a month (one a week i think). she said it was something that was generally used in larger farm type animals or something (sorry, i´m going from memory, this was a few years back).

you may want to talk to your vet about this possibility, if the things dont start improving.

also, i think the vet can give something like benydryl to stop itchyness.

is your vet a small animal specialist?

i have to run, i´ll pop back in later tonight after i´ve given some thought to the other problems

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  posted on 28/8/2002 at 11:38 AM
I never really raised rats so this is area which I don´t know much about.
Take them to a vet, if they do have a illness, the vet will catch it. The vet caught my dog´s lime disease just in time to treat it.
Best of luck to you.

 

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  posted on 28/8/2002 at 12:20 PM
OOh.. It´s so terrible when pets get sick!
Have you looked online for information? That´s what I usually do. A couple of things I´ve found online is that the paper bedding is best for rats. All of the other woods can irritate their respiritory system, and the oils are none too good for them either. ANother thing.. have you ever fed them those pre-made rat food blocks? They really should have some of those everyday. As terrible as it is.. rats have been used in lab experiments for a long time.. so scientists know exactly what they should eat, and it´s in the blocks. But make sure they are rat specific blocks. I´ve had my ratties for two years and haven´t had any problems with the bedding or the food blocks. Like someone else said.. make sure your vet knows his stuff on small animals. Some cat-and-dog vets will see small animals, but don´t always know what´s best for them. This comes from a person who has had many many little ones in the last 10 years. SOme normal vets see rodents as disposable and don´t really take their time treating them like they should.
Good luck with the ratties Bettie. I hope they get better!

 

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  posted on 28/8/2002 at 12:40 PM
ok i´m back

i was thinking, also, the one(s) with the itchy scabby skin - if it´s not parasites (which it could be the undetectable kind i mentioned before), there is also the possibility of a weird fungal infection or something. i know how frustrating it is when a pet is sick and no one knows exactly what it is.

regarding the kidney failure sad! make sure lots of FRESH water, and maybe hand feed that one, so you know she´s eating. did the vet say what form of protein you CAN feed her? she will need some i imagine, since rats are naturally omnivores. also, kidney failure means an animal needs foods low in salt. Carrots, celery and spinach have fairly high salt content for vegetables. maybe you could give them puffed wheat or something? or puffed rice?


 

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  posted on 28/8/2002 at 06:19 PM
Man you guys are great.
THe vet did a skin scrape and found NOTHING.
THey are being given a pill form antibiotic that is a sort of all encompasing antibody and parasite killer/antifungal of some sort. They won´t take it through water anymore, so I´m gonna have to mash it in bananna...they love bananna.

Ick: Nico (girl) is FAT...not obese, but a healthily plump animal...fur loss is around the scabs, and the vetrinarian said the fur loss and the sores were self trauma from itching. Her nails were trimmed and she was given a cortizone shot to ease the discomfort until the antibiotics and parasite medication could take effect.
As for lucy, she´s been very active lately which is encouraging, but she´s also letting me handle her more than normal, wants to be on me which is RARE that she wants to come out, which worries me.

I had to wait so long because the vet I saw specialized in rats and small animals, and she seemed to have a lot of experience with them and their various illnesses...and the fact that she was worried and very very perplexed is rather frightening. She simply told me that if it IS kidney failure there is little I can do but feed her LOW protein (she has to have some, but to avoid the high contents of complex proteins such as in nuts and corn) and hope the antibiotics kill the remaining infection and her kidney restart on their own.
I´m going to look online tonight and see what I can find, and I"m going to ask a friend of mine that works in a small animal specialty clinic what she thinks and what would be good to feed them.
I´ve removed their old food, and they get a dish of brown rice, and I toss lettuce, banannas, and whatever choppings are leftover from dinner.
I didn´t think about the salt bit....
I´m going to go do some more research guys...you´ve all been very helpful, and I´ve got every finger and every toe crossed that she´ll pull through, and that it´s just a lot of old garbage coming up on them all at once, that is curable, than having been born with immune system deficiencies.
If anyone thinks of anything else, please put something, even if it´s redundant or think it´s silly.
I know nico and lucy will appreciate it as much as I will.

 

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  posted on 28/8/2002 at 09:50 PM
You might want to watch giving them lettuce. There´s almost no vitamin content in it.. it´s mostly water. Too much can give them the runs. Look up a website called "Just the rats ma´am" It´s one we found a while back.. it seemed to have some good information.

 

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  posted on 29/8/2002 at 08:42 AM
once my rat´s skin turned green... i mean like BRIGHT green. turned out the bedding i was using had some kind of dye in it. never bought that bedding again. Lol.
Then for about a year he had tumors.. but they went away on their own. Go figure.
GAWD i miss that little fella...

Hope your little ones get better :cry:

 

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  posted on 29/8/2002 at 11:19 AM
I think they actually are...nico´s skin is slowly getting better...or at least it is not getting worse, and the open sores have scabbed over. I think the cortizone made her a LOT more comfortable.
Lucy is getting more active and it´s VERY hard to give them their medicine, tho frusterating it I"m seeing it as a sign of hope.
I was quite suprised that the vet called me today! Bright and early just to see "how our girls" are doing. I´ve never had a vet call me back.
She said that it was indeed a good sign that they were so squirmy and active, especially lucy.
I do´nt give them much lettuce, but they like it so it´s like a fat free treat, and with lucy´s kindeys the high water content is good for her kidneys in case she´s not drinking as much as she should be..but it´s still sparingly given. They are diggin the brown rice, but still get their usual grain mix minus the corn (yes, I take the time to pick it out )
You guys have been great, and very informative and I really think my girls are going to be okay, but I don´t wanna get my hopes up.
It´ll make it that much harder if I´m wrong.
But as for now I"m hopeful, and it looks as if it´s going to turn out in their favor

 

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  posted on 29/8/2002 at 11:48 AM
Right.. as I was writing my post about the lettuce earlier.. I was thinking it might be good for her little kidneys. I´m glad they are feeling better. My rats (Tsukiomi and Musashi) send your rats good wishes!

 

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  posted on 29/8/2002 at 11:28 PM
Aw, ratty love to sick ratties.
They squeak their thanks...
Gotta go wrangle them for their medicine
*ugh*
If it weren´t such a pain in the ass, I´d be happy they´re such a struggle.
As horrible as it sounds, they´re easier to medicate when they´re sicker ;P
But like I said, I´ll take what I can get.
THe last time lucy was sick, she was getting better but I didn´t know it until she bit the fuck out of my finger (BAD...I mean REALLY bad, like blood everywhere and shit, scared the fuck out of me) and after I calmed down I thought "now THERE´S the lucy I know...she must be feeling better".
Damned if you do, damned if you don´t ;P

 

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  posted on 30/8/2002 at 03:48 PM
Aww, I hope your ratties get better quickly. I´ve never owned rats, when it comes to small animals I don´t do so well. My friend owns a rat called Tilly and she´s the sweetest thing ever! Really clever as well. Best of luck to Nico and Lucy!

 

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  posted on 30/8/2002 at 04:01 PM
Thanks man. I´ve always done best with small animals, but I´m generally good with animals in general. I"ve NEVER had problems with rats before, the two I had before my girls both died happy and fat of plain boring old age. Both I could tell were dying that night, and I sat up with them bawling like a moron so they wouldn´t go alone.
I´m such a sissy
The one thing I just can´t keep alive are fish.
Even plain old non fancy goldfish. I´ve NEVER had fish that lasted long, which sucks ´cause I loooove fishies too.
Rats are more personable tho....and it took me A HALF AN OUR to get them to take some of their meds. The vet told me to make more of it than they need because then even if they don´t take it all, they´ll still be getting enough.
*sigh*
I just hope they´re getting better. Nico´s skin is VERY much healed, just waiting for the last of the scabs to go away and her fur to start growing back!
Nico looks better, and is more active every day, but I´m still a little worried. She may be putting on weight, but not as quick as I´d like her to ;P

 

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  posted on 31/8/2002 at 10:48 PM
Whoo hoo! Yay for some ratty recovery!

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 10:16 PM
Lucy died two hours ago.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 11:34 PM
*hugs bettie* :cry:

 

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  posted on 2/9/2002 at 01:23 AM
Sorry for your loss. Alltough I don´t know you, and certainly not your pets, you´ve painted us a vivid picture of them. I hope she didn´t have too bad a time at the end.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2002 at 06:28 AM
*hugs* I´m so sorry bettie...

 

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I am so sorry, Bettie. *hug* :-(

 

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