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Author: Subject: Goths and Drugs

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 04:54 PM
I said the idea amused me. this does give the impression that it is not serious. i would have thought that that was clear.
as an open community you make it unclear when and where certain modes of expression are appropriate and you make it very hard for people to fit in. I held my hands up and said i was wrong to express myself in such a combatative way in certain cases. i also apologised for a couple of my replies to you because, as i said at the time, my tone was not clear due to the limitations of typed conversation.
i will again apologise, though i suspect this will make no difference.
i dont think that the drugs were key. an idiot is still an idiot when on drugs, often more so, but being on drugs does not make a great mind not great, as in the case of the artists i mentioned.
nihilism is a facet of the romantic movement, in the way that you described. there are often nihilistic tendencies in romantic writing, especially when you come to the romantic movement in music, cf berlioz as a fantastic example, and damn good listening. yes some of their tenets are mutually exclusive, but they overlap too.
the gothic movement was an evolution and extension of the romantic period of expression.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 05:29 PM
abbadon: one does not need to state an argument when the definitions are mutually exclusive

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 05:32 PM
Worm: Christianity is not a flaw. While you may get "points" from some people, you will not get points from everyone. As far as I can tell, Shmeng is not made up of assembly-line humanoids who all think the same way; we come from different backgrounds and showcase a variety of beliefs. Regarding variety, this site is a microcosm for the world you interact with every day, so I know you're used to variety. Christianity itself implies variety, as it embodies many different beliefs within itself. You (and by “you” I mean both Abaddon and W0rmw00d) bashed Feral for “hatred for a life unlike one’s own,” yet you disregard those whose creeds differ from yours.

You say horror is an integral part of Gothicism. Elaborate. How is it integral, in what sense? Fascination with? Participation in? The study of?

About "conventional wisdom": I don't believe there's any such thing as conventional wisdom. Wisdom is never conventional. You say conventional wisdom is "what the majority hold to be true." I would call this "common belief." Wisdom is much more than accumulated knowledge. Anyone can accumulate knowledge; wise people process it.

And don’t let Squid hear you say that Oscar Wilde was challenging.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 06:20 PM
I did not say it was a flaw, i said that i was not a christian. i was not claiming points for myself, i was giving them for a correct summation of me from something i had written.
I didnt think that i had 'bashed' feralucce. i responded to the points brought up, as in a debate.
I have not disregarded any statement. i have sought to explain why i disagree if i do and clarify if i feel the point i made was misunderstood or unclear.
i said that the exploration of horror on the psyche was what i was referring to, this was in my followup post.
coventional wisdom vs. common beleifs... this is really just semantics. now that i have explained what i meant by it the actual words i used can be tossed by the wayside.

I'm not sure that i can stand by and see a person not appreciate Oscar Wilde. If I could be confident of discussion rather than argument I would try and persuade.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 06:48 PM
you know... I am prejudiced... agains stupid people... it has nothign to do with you personal philosophy... but those that are nothing more than screaming monkeys are treated as such... I abhor those taht are dumb enough to be part of the status quoe... and I revel in it... I choose intolerance in this issue... and frankly... you two fit neatly into the status quoe of stupid mother fuckers taht I encounter in every day life... believe what you want, but it is not your fucking religious or philosophical beliefs taht put me off... it is your complete inability to hold a rational and well thought out conversation...

second part of the law of Feral... I don't come here to make you like me so your dislike for my intolerance is of no consequence to me... I hate humanity for it's brainless pursuit of self fulfillment... I am not liked, nor do I care to be... so... unless you like listening to your keyboard and your voicebox rattle(which I believe you do) keep your opinions of me to yourself... as I don't pay enough attention to your posts any more to even catch what you had said*snicker*

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 07:00 PM
Aww, no opinions of you? Even if my level of respect for you is analogous to the respect I would have for a large hungry alligator with a taste for human flesh?

[Edited on 8/8/2004 by Andree]

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 07:07 PM
what parts of what i say are irrational?
and when have i expressed an opinion of you?

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 07:55 PM
'least the gator has survival instincts...

wood... feeling guilty... there was no name attached

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 09:49 PM
Haha, should my compliments be less cryptic?

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 10:10 PM
andree: who were you adressing?

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 10:35 PM
Feral: I was trying to compliment you. Would YOU mess with a maneating beast? *lol* Sorry if it didn't come off like that.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2004 at 11:10 PM
Andree: I took it that way... *grins* thought I made that much clear*winks*though... I am higher on the food chain... just got some FRESH (same day kill) gator for my grill

 

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  posted on 8/8/2004 at 02:53 AM
Feral and Andree: I find your little metaphoric messages with hidden meaning very funny and clever.

(Did you spot the hidden message in there? What I actually meant was: Grow some balls and say what you're going to say to peoples faces instead of trying to be cloever and just turning out childish.)

 

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  posted on 8/8/2004 at 07:07 AM
feralucce
am i misunderstanding, or do you think that i have anonymously insulted you and been irrational? please, show me this anonymous post that I have made.
you see, i actually have no problem with you. i simply do not care that you see me disagreeing with you as an attack, and my friend attacking as synonymous with me attacking.
though you do not care, before i became indifferent, i actually liked you as one of the few people that seemed willing to be nice and point out what i was oing wrong as a poster on this site.

 

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  posted on 8/8/2004 at 09:50 AM
WormWood: DID I MENTION YOUR NAME IN MY POST? NO... I have no problems telling people what I think... chill..

 

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  posted on 8/8/2004 at 11:13 AM
abbadon: so... now you ar egoing to dictate how andree and I interact with each other? how magnanimous of you... piss off

 

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  posted on 8/8/2004 at 12:43 PM
Besides, the insult was lost on me. I'm a girl. I don't want to grow balls. Ever.

 

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  posted on 8/8/2004 at 02:15 PM
I shall preach as I wish. It is my profession.

 

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  posted on 8/8/2004 at 03:13 PM
apologies feralucce, that should have been adressed to andree. i got a bit mixed up over who had posted what.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2004 at 12:11 PM
I think drugs are bad, period. People+drugs=nothing good. I don't care what label your fall under, what you wear, what you listen to, I don't care.... there is no reason to use drugs unless it is prescribed by your doctor. I can tolerate cigarettes slightly more than pot. My boyfriend is trying to stop smoking (cigs), and I smoke occasionally, but I"m not addicted. Drinking is another issue. I don't mind a drink now and then, but getting to the point of drowning in your own vomit is just pathetic. What is the point of being that drunk? Again, my boyfriend and I have drinks sometimes, but nothing like that. Some people just need to learn to cope.
 
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