feralucce
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posted on 1/8/2004 at 11:17 AM |
court...
what was offensive was the implications that someone is a rapist or a
fucking abuser because someone finds a woman empowered, able to wield a
weapon and doing so an attractive site... yeah, I KNOW you can go outside
and meet people who are much more offensive... but that is not the issue
Though I feel it necessary to point out, that you jumped on him first... he
is allowed to respond...
the fuckwad was not offensive... it was childish... so was the *smirk*... I
thought were mostly adults here... but hey... what do I know?
Oh, and what point were you trying to make? (goes reading the thread, but
can't find the point)
[Edited on 8/1/2004 by feralucce] ____________________
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VampCourt
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posted on 1/8/2004 at 09:10 PM |
-sigh-
WELL, if we really do want to keep beating the damn dead horse.. let me
explain...
Your quote :
it is a well documented fact that there is a corralation between violencec
and arrousal
MY quote:
Only amoungst rapist and little boys who like to play games and would
rather see a woman vulnerable and powerless.. a gun you can kill someone
and go to jail.. however i would much rather see a woman with the power
that is her mind. THAT to me is sexy. Not some killing machine(AS IN A
GUN). The image of a gun in the hands of a women/men isnt sexy, its a image
of fear.. to me anyhow..
Do you not see what im talking about? Im voicing my opinion about said
subject. I dont find automatic weapon in a fucking girls hand SEXY. i find
it frightening. I say The only people that find that sexual are rapists
because I have read alot of psychological studies on people who have a
rapist profile and more times than not, some individuals Find arousal
through violence. You think im wrong? Well fine. you think that way.. im
only stating what i have read and feel is right. We are all diffrent, have
diffrent views on things.. and thats the way it goes...
And Im Being childish in calling someone a fuckwad? Excuse me? He who
generously dishes out the word FUCKO on these forums? huh. interesting. I
wasnt aware, ONE person could sling insults on this website.
whatever. Nice try. I think its perfectly VALID for me to defend myself
and i think its perfectly valid for me to voice my opinions on things here
on this website. Wether or not i sound childish.You certainly do it quite a
bit as does everyone else.
I hope i have cleared things up for you. Im not out to start a big old
internet fight like some people live for.. im just telling it like i feel.
im a abrasive person i'll admit.. but im really harmless. Anyhow, This
topic is dead.
Peace
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feralucce
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posted on 1/8/2004 at 10:02 PM |
IT WAS NOT THE FUCKWAD COMMENT THAT I FOUND OFFENSIVE...
it was the fact that he made a statement, you respond... he responds, you
jump him...
I step in because frrankly, him being a newbie, the community on the whole
would have torn his throat out...
THought I might try being nicer once...
Now... kender has discussed in a logical manner with citations, and evolved
the conversation, attempted to move it along... you point about rapists
acting out through violencee is valid, but not in this conversation.... as
we are talking about a woman with a weapon... plain and simple... The fact
of the matter is that you pretty much stated that those of us that agreed
with him were fucking abusers... "Only amoungst rapist and little boys who
like to play games and would rather see a woman vulnerable and
powerless"...
Sooo... a) we find the woman with a weapon attractive, and b) only rapists
and little boys (yadda yadd) find women with weapons powerless... can you
see how that leads to c) since we feel a, we must be b?
NOW... cite me... please do... BANE dtarted the conversation WITH the
insults...did not seem able to keep citations right, outright denied his
own words, and insulted me again and again... only when he had devolved to
the point of just hurling petty insults did I mention fucko... but you are
right, I should have maintained my dignity and called him a rapist
instead...
[Edited on 8/2/2004 by feralucce] ____________________
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 02:47 AM |
Is it OK if I step in and try to sort things out?
Feral (and a couple others) mentioned how they find a woman with a gun
sexy. To them, it symbolizes power and confidence, mingled with a little
danger (oooh, the adrenaline rush). However, Court does not agree. She
has a very strong view, strong to the point that it becomes almost
personal, that a gun in the hand of a woman symbolizes fear, vulnerability,
and powerlessness.
Perhaps this would not have become so nasty if A) Court had not made that
universal statement about rapists and little boys, and B) Kender had not
made that rather cutting jab about comprehension skills. Perhaps this
discussion would not have degenerated to a bar-room brawl if Court had
allowed that someone might see something in that image that she did not
(although she did add the "to me", it did not ring as loudly as the
original statement) , and Kender had been more understanding of the fact
that even the best of us misinterpret a post now and then, and a gentle
explanation is more effective than a resounding insult. Insults are meant
to drive people away, or at least piss them off. Explanations draw people
in, and create harmony, unless the other person is truly a shmengy idiot.
That is why it is best to make explanation first, and THEN throw an insult
if necessary.
Of course Feral is going to object to being labelled as a rapist or at
least a small child. And of course Court is going to object to being
jumped all over for a simple misunderstanding. I understand why Court
wants out of this bickering, because it IS kind of ridiculous, but I also
understand that Feral has a genuine issue with that statement. It hurt
him, and I think he wants Court to admit that his enjoyment of the image of
the gun-toting woman does not necessarily meant that he is immature, or
that he wants to abuse and take advantage of women.
As for the whole rape = violence issue, I think I see your problem there.
Court thinks Feral is playing down the violence of rape. Feral, however,
is pointing out that the violence in rape is the tool, not the goal of the
rapist. The average rapist wants power, and uses violence to acheive it.
If he were after violence alone, a simple knifing or killing would suffice,
in most cases.
Violence does raise adrenaline, which of course boosts the libido. This is
a well-documented fact. The adrenaline raised by violence, however, can
also be driven by fear. The difference between the violence Feral
describes and the violence Court describes is that Feral's violence is a
deliberate interaction between two consenting people who respect each
other's boundaries, and are using violence and/or images of violence to
enhance their libido's. Court is picturing one-sided violence where one
person (generally male) is using violence to over-power another person
(generally female), and the second person is using violence to stave off
the first person.
Also, Feral sees that a person with a weapon, who knows how to use the
weapon, and has the strength to use it if necessary, is a sexy person. NOT
the housewife backed into a corner, with her husband's pistol held in a
shaky grip, pointed at the rapist who is threatening her, but the calm,
cool, collected markswoman, to whom the power of the gun is just an
extension of the power she possesses in her mind.
Perhaps Court's objection to Feral's libido-enhancing violence is that she
feels it is making light of rape and other violence towards women.
However, as we all know, Feral has the greatest respect of women, and
certainly not make light of such a horrible thing.
Court's point of view is valid, and powerful. If guns and violence awaken
these images in her mind, and turn her off, she has the right to feel that
way. But Feral has his point, also. Both views can exist side-by-side.
Uncontrolled violence IS scary, and controlled violence IS sexy.
It is a pity that Court's strong and emotionally-tied feelings caused her
to misunderstand Feral's post. It is a pity that Kender lacked the
diplomacy to refrain from adding fuel to the fire, instead of pointing out
the misunderstanding in a respectful way. It is a pity that what could
have been an enlightening discussion on violence and guns, and its effect
on the libido, as contrasted to the violence of rape, decayed to a volley
of name-calling.
Perhaps if Feral and Kender can admit that Court had a right to be hurt by
Kender's overly-harsh correction (especially in the face of an
emotionally-charged topic), and Court can admit Feral's pain caused by her
comment likening him to a rapist or little boy, then this can return to a
worthwhile discussion, or at least be dropped. We are not enemies, and I
do not think that any harm was meant on either side. We DO have strong
opinions and hot tempers on BOTH sides. We also have intelligence and
sensitivity. Can we sort through the defensiveness and resolve this?
Please?
[Edited on 8/2/2004 by Schizo] ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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feralucce
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 07:48 AM |
Schizo: as always... you have the ability to find what is going on and
distil it...
I agree with 98% of what you said... and the other 2% I make concessions
to...
court: i do feel your point was more than valid... but I also felt that it
had no place in this discussion since we weren't discussion domestic
violence, nor abuse to either gender being sexy... BUT I am sorry for
coming down like I did in my essentially socially retarded way, and not
explaining myself in a clear and understandable way...
Kender: Schizo is right... evidently I missed that comment entirely, for
which I am guilty... but dude, that wasn't cool...
[Edited on 8/2/2004 by feralucce] ____________________
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VampCourt
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 08:26 AM |
Schizo:That was Marvelouse. I wish i had the abilitys to write out a grand
explanation like that, because you made it more clear for me than *i* did.
i think thats really my problem.. I dont have good skills to put out what
im trying tro put out. i get frusterated and just fling what comes to my
mind first. But thankyou for sorting that out because i was getting really
tired of having to keep going with this thread. 
Feral: As i was reading through schizos post i saw that perhaps you felt
that i was saying to you that i thought you were a rapist or a child for
thinking a gun in the hand of a woman is sexy. I was not tryimg to say YOU
were a rapist. I really was saying YOU as in Anyone. does that makes sense?
And yes you are right, it did not have a place in this discussion,
however, some mentioned the girl holding a automatic weapon, and i retorted
that i dont find that to be sexy nore arousing. that i found it scary.
Any-yow, Im not mad or full of hatred twards you Nore kender, i'll admit at
first i was a fucking stick of dynamite reading to explode because its been
a really hectic emotional week for me.. and it just clicked in my head, and
i turned into a ultra mega bitch. Or, you can just call me the typical
virgo.. -laugh-
I would also like to add, that im looking at this in a realistic point of
view.. Movies and video games and anime are one thing. thats all fantasy.
a made up perfect world where people can walk around with guns and look
cool and confident and sexy. What im talking about is reality.. if i saw a
girl that was considered to be attracrive, walking around in public with a
automatic weapon, fully loaded, i would be intimidated and scared as i hate
guns. They honestly bother me.
[Edited on 8/2/2004 by VampCourt] ____________________
"Thou shalt not be afraid of the dark, nor of graveyards nor ghosts nor
the
devil, for thou art scarey and mean." -The Goth commandments
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 09:03 AM |
| Court: and as I said, schiz made it clear to me as well... I saw your
point... and it did seem as an attack... adn that was what I was upset
about... hugs ____________________
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bettie_x
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 10:15 AM |
aw *sniff* this is so cute.
....and I'm still fucking addicted to cigarettes.... ____________________
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MystryssRavynDarque
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 10:21 AM |
| I tested out your theory on smoking nasty cigarettes Bettie. Cloves are
really nasty if you light them and then have to put them out and save them
for later. Their flavor gets all yucky. I did that yesterday and I didn't
want to smoke anymore after that one...I could smoke a good one today
though hehe. ____________________
"People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell
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VampCourt
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 10:37 AM |
ha yeah its all poetic and shit .iknow why the caged virgo bitches, by
Court Bitchy Mcbitch bitch.... But all sillyness aside.. im glad its
all clear
I cant stop smoking cloves yet. those fuckers make me do it i swear. and
whats really bad, as of late ive been chain smoking. luckily im not smokin
blacks. those things make me ill. just a *tad* bit to rich for me..And MRD
you are correct on that.. once they have been burned, they have a really
stale flavor when you light em up again.
WHY DO I SMOKE THEM?? lskjdljkashfjkldhfjkls
[Edited on 8/2/2004 by VampCourt] ____________________
"Thou shalt not be afraid of the dark, nor of graveyards nor ghosts nor
the
devil, for thou art scarey and mean." -The Goth commandments
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feralucce
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 11:33 AM |
Court: no... take the first puff, and blow instead of inhale... the
staleness goes away
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VampCourt
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 12:53 PM |
| the staleness stays in your mouth.. ____________________
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feralucce
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 01:30 PM |
| what i meant... is as you RE-LIGHT the clove, blow out, not in... the stale
smoke goes out and not in... it works for me.... ____________________
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Schizo
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posted on 2/8/2004 at 01:31 PM |
*snnff snnff* aww, I feel so warm and fuzzy inside now, I can hardly stand
it!
...and I'm blushing horribly - thanx for the praise! I had a crappy day
today, and I needed it!
I think it comes from always being a watcher on the sidelines. You learn
to pay attention to what others are doing and saying. And eventually you
start to see the patterns to human interaction. My overly-analytical
personality helps, too. Of course, all this side-line watching doesn't
leave me very equipped to actually gain any social experience of my own.
I've had to work on that. But it's nice to know that never being able to
fit in has done me some good in the end.
And I just couldn't stand to see two people I like fighting. Especially
when you weren't really mad at each other, but rather with what you THOUGHT
the other was trying to communicate. That, and I'm a nosy interfering
do-gooder!
I'd like to get into professional counseling, but I don't have the time or
energy for college right now. Maybe later, when the kindergoth is older. ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest
of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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pale-face
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posted on 24/9/2004 at 02:56 PM |
| i thought it was funny to look at the beginning of this forum and see
prices back down at 6.50 and people complaining. smokes are $8 a pack
where i'm living. there’s like 2 people who buy them and every one else
bums one from them. oh the irony. ____________________
fucking classy.
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MystryssRavynDarque
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posted on 24/9/2004 at 07:10 PM |
| I'll have to test out your idea for myself Feral. Perhaps I can save
myself a few that way. I threw out almost a whole one last night because
of it. The only problem is storing the already lit one. It can totally
stink up your box and make the rest taste bad if you put it back in. Any
ideas? ____________________
"People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is
the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell
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feralucce
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posted on 25/9/2004 at 02:23 AM |
i just smoke the whole thing...LOL
the whole thing that really bugs me is the fact that they don't tax the
fuck out of other forms fo tobacco... like hte cigars they smoke... or
chaw... JUST cigarrets... ____________________
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MystryssRavynDarque
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posted on 25/9/2004 at 12:06 PM |
| Chaw? Meaning chewing tobacco or "dip" as they called it where I was in
Florida? Sometimes I heard it reffered to as "chewin' tobaccy"... how
southern. Alot of people also reffer to the brand they chew. The nastiest
thing about that is the spit cups the chewers carry with them. Little cups
with paper towels folded in them to absorb the spit. When I was a little
girl I almost drank the spit from my brother's spit cup. Ewwww ____________________
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W0rmW00d
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posted on 22/1/2005 at 12:38 AM |
Here we go, a glaring gap in my smoking knowledge, usually impeccable, and
also an horrific breach of the Goth Commandments:
Smoking cloves? Can you buy them in packs or do you just grind up the
little guys I use for cooking, roll them in papers and spark up? Or is
'smoking cloves' a euphamism for some deeper, darker smokable that either I
am unaware of or just haven't heard called that? (Im guessing the second,
in case anyone cares).
I have never seen anyone smoking cloves, nor seen them in shops, nor smoked
them myself (unfortunately...usually if it combusts to release mind
altering substances I've smoked it). All info would be appreciated and put
to good use. ____________________
Eritis sicut Deus scientes bonum et malum.
And the third angel sounded, and a troll army did descend upon the world.
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Starlight
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posted on 22/1/2005 at 01:19 AM |
Wormwood: Here's you a link to get you happily on your way to smoking
cloves
http://www.heavenlysmoke.com/html/clove_cigarettes.html
If I smoked, I would smoke cloves. I have at times become obsessed with the
idea of smoking just so that I could smoke them, as I love how they smell.
However, for various reasons, I've decided that since I can resist the urge
to do so and it keeps me in better health not to get started with smoking
them, then I just won't smoke. It does actually pain me not to smoke them.
Also, if you live anywhere near a smoke shop or cigar store, then you have
easy access to a supply of clove brands for sale. You will want to ask for
kretek cigarettes or for a specific brand as the clerk may not recognize
you simply asking for clove cigarettes. However, if you familiarize
yourself with the brands, then you can shop around at your leisure.
Please accessorize your clove cigarette smoking with a beautiful silver
asktray inlaid with black onyx and/or little silver skulls for decoration
(or something similarly lovely), and an antique cigarette holder (also, in
black with silver if possible). I sound almost like clove cigarettes should
be worshipped with your mouth rather than smoked. Oh well, I am being
serious with my comments. ____________________
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