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Passenger
Occasional Poster Posts: 20 Registered: 2/2/2008 Status: Offline
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posted on 2/2/2008 at 07:04 PM |
Hi, I am a new.
Here is my Dilemma.
every generation has their groups, whatever they want to call it is ok with
me, It's when other groups look down on other groups that upset me, but
what can I do about that?
I also have an internal conflict of being goth.
I adore goth and I want to dress the part but I am aware of the
consequences. People are judgemental at least I think they are judgemental
or whatever.
I haven't found anyone on the same level as me yet. It's ok for people to
be on a different level than me, I understand that, It's just kind of the
price I pay for being different or an individual. The price is pain and
loneliness, My brother says everything happens for a reason. I hope the
reason is a good one. I need a reason to keep believing that the price I
pay is worth it. I think goth is worth it. But I don't know. |
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Passenger
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posted on 2/2/2008 at 07:27 PM |
maybe I should started on a lighter note, like tell you I like My little
ponies and Rainbow Brite.
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Monolycus
Fanatic Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 3/2/2008 at 12:06 AM |
Howdy, Passenger.
To address your first point about groups looking down on others; what makes
you think "goths" don't do that as well? What makes you think we don't do
that here? We do that all the time. It has to do, I think, with an
internal need for security.
There are only two ways that a person can promote themselves: They can say
that they are good because they embody this or that desirable quality,
however this rarely happens. Far more often, they go the second route.
That is, they are good because they are not members of another, less
desirable group.
You say this upsets you and ask what you can do about it. The answer is:
very little. You can try to coerce people into behaving themselves, but
this usually only causes them to sublimate their bad behaviour into
different areas. The most effective thing you can do is to lead by
example. That road is a long and frustrating one, but the payoff is
better.
As for your second question: is it worth it? I have no idea what you are
talking about. Like many people on this site, I neither know nor care what
goth culture is. We don't choose our natures; we only choose the cosmetic
accroutrements that other people see. You're not going to "decide" to be
this or that type of person, but you can pretentiously adopt a style that
will, at the end of the day, be divisive and cause people to make your life
more difficult.
It's fun to play dress up, but if they took you away and shaved your head
and put you in prison rags, does it change who you are? Not a bit. It
only changes what you are. The question of what you are is
entirely unimportant compared to the question of who you are. Figure out
the "who" and the "what" will take care of itself since the "what" is
largely foisted upon us by others, anyway.
Welcome aboard, Passenger. Incidentally, I'm more of a Holly
Hobbie/Smurfs/Strawberry Shortcake sort than Rainbow Brite and My Little
Pony... but it's all good. ____________________ "I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again." |
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Passenger
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posted on 3/2/2008 at 12:17 PM |
To address your first point about groups looking down on others; what
makes you think "goths" don't do that as well?
What makes you think we don't do that here? We do that all the time. It
has to do, I think, with an internal need for security.
I am aware that goths look down on some people, Perhaps you people have
look down on others, but personally I don't approve of looking down on
others and I am very insecure. I think it has do with values, but I could
be wrong, My parents taught me that everyone is beautiful in their own way,
and that some people don't know how to act the right way or there is no
right way to act, it's a matter of persepective. I have high standards and
it disturbs me that I have to think of less of someone. I try to be
Tolerant.of course I am human and have limited knowledge, and sometimes I
misjudge the situation, and say things I don't mean when I am upset. um
maybe I could inspire people to not look down on others, who knows.
There are only two ways that a person can promote themselves: They can
say that they are good because they embody this or that desirable quality,
however this rarely happens. Far more often, they go the second route. That
is, they are good because they are not members of another, less desirable
group.
that is true to my knowledge, but what's the point of being promoted? What
do they win?
You say this upsets you and ask what you can do about it. The answer
is: very little. You can try to coerce people into behaving themselves, but
this usually only causes them to sublimate their bad behaviour into
different areas. The most effective thing you can do is to lead by example.
That road is a long and frustrating one, but the payoff is better.
I think alot of people don't help others because it is frustrating.
I don't know, I don't really want to change people unless they want to
change.
but I don't think I am the best example.
As for your second question: is it worth it? I have no idea what you
are talking about. Like many people on this site, I neither know nor care
what goth culture is. We don't choose our natures; we only choose the
cosmetic accroutrements that other people see. You're not going to "decide"
to be this or that type of person, but you can pretentiously adopt a style
that will, at the end of the day, be divisive and cause people to make your
life more difficult.
yeah, that is interesting, I think I need to think about this some more,
It's fun to play dress up, but if they took you away and shaved your
head and put you in prison rags, does it change who you are? Not a bit. It
only changes what you are. The question of what you are is entirely
unimportant compared to the question of who you are. Figure out the "who"
and the "what" will take care of itself since the "what" is largely foisted
upon us by others, anyway.
It depends
on how you view Who you are? I always thought who I am is always changing
in and out of states of mind, well other people think there is a certain
part of who you are doesn't change.
thanks for helping me out
Aren't smurfs mostly a male society?
[Edited on 3/2/2008 by Passenger] |
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Monolycus
Fanatic Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 3/2/2008 at 04:31 PM |
quote: I am aware that goths
look down on some people, Perhaps you people have look down on others, but
personally I don't approve of looking down on others and I am very
insecure. I think it has do with values, but I could be wrong, My parents
taught me that everyone is beautiful in their own way, and that some people
don't know how to act the right way or there is no right way to act, it's a
matter of persepective. I have high standards and it disturbs me that I
have to think of less of someone. I try to be Tolerant.of course I am human
and have limited knowledge, and sometimes I misjudge the situation, and say
things I don't mean when I am upset. um maybe I could inspire people to not
look down on others, who knows.
Your approval of it doesn't enter into it. It happens. Inspiring people
is all that you can do. Accept your limitations.
quote: that is true to my
knowledge, but what's the point of being promoted? What do they
win?
This isn't a zero-sum arrangement. What they "win" is the feeling of
security and belonging that inspired them to join whatever group they
joined in the first place. It reinforces their perception of identity.
quote: I think alot of people
don't help others because it is frustrating.
I don't know, I don't really want to change people unless they want to
change.
but I don't think I am the best example.
There are a lot of reasons people don't help others. It's frustrating,
it's inconvenient, and many people are truly and genuinely awful people.
As for changing people, you can't and you shouldn't. All you can do is
inspire, per above.
quote: It depends on how
you view Who you are? I always thought who I am is always changing in and
out of states of mind, well other people think there is a certain part of
who you are doesn't change.
Who you are depends upon whom you ask. The Monolycus that exists and
actually does things is not even close to the Monolycus that exists
entirely in the heads of anyone else. You can and will be forced into
fulfilling roles thrust upon you externally to a degree, but even more so
if you don't have a solid sense of self. Since "self" is an illusion of
cognition (I change a few chemicals or the physical structure of your brain
slightly and your "self" will also change), then the only way of guarding
against becoming what others demand is to have a very clear idea of what it
is that you believe. It's all you can do.
quote: Aren't smurfs mostly a
male society?
Is that a problem? ____________________ "I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again." |
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Passenger
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posted on 3/2/2008 at 05:33 PM |
Your approval of it doesn't enter into it. It happens. Inspiring
people is all that you can do. Accept your limitations.
I am aware of that my approval doesn't matter to others, I am much too hard
on myself, I think I should be better, not superior, just better than I was
yesterday. I know I affect others or is it effect. maybe I am just messed
up .
This isn't a zero-sum arrangement. What they "win" is the feeling of
security and belonging that inspired them to join whatever group they
joined in the first place. It reinforces their perception of
identity.
Security and belonging are important I guess, I never had that. I believe
you are smart, at this point I am open to information, I have no
perceptions of Identity.except that I am a collection of
experiences,dreams, preferences, prejudices, ect...
There are a lot of reasons people don't help others. It's
frustrating, it's inconvenient, and many people are truly and genuinely
awful people. As for changing people, you can't and you shouldn't. All
you can do is inspire, per above.
True
Who you are depends upon whom you ask. The Monolycus that exists and
actually does things is not even close to the Monolycus that exists
entirely in the heads of anyone else.
that's true.
You can and will be forced into fulfilling roles thrust upon you
externally to a degree, but even more so if you don't have a solid sense of
self.
Perhaps, I don't know if that ever happen to me, Telling me how roles are
thrust upon people? My goal is to understand people if that is possible.
What are exactly these roles?
like are roles How you act toward people or is it what relationship you are
to people? If it is you can either accept those roles or reject
them...right?
Since "self" is an illusion of cognition (I change a few chemicals
or the physical structure of your brain slightly and your "self" will also
change), then the only way of guarding against becoming what others demand
is to have a very clear idea of what it is that you believe. It's all you
can do.
True, but to know my beliefs, this is difficult, They change with every new
piece of Information, I will sit there and go back and forth, well this
side has a good point but so does the other side. I really don't like being
in the middle but I don't want a pick side either. Oy vai.
quote: Aren't smurfs mostly a
male society?
Is that a problem?
nope, not at all, but squrriels with mohawks make me giggle |
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Monolycus
Fanatic Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 3/2/2008 at 08:04 PM |
quote: I am aware of that my
approval doesn't matter to others, I am much too hard on myself, I think I
should be better, not superior, just better than I was yesterday. I know I
affect others or is it effect. maybe I am just messed up
.
"Affect" is the verb. If worrying about improving yourself is "messed up",
there's a lot more messd up you can be. Sounds to me like you're just
consolidating the data.
quote: Security and belonging
are important I guess, I never had that.
Neither has anyone else. Security is an even bigger illusion than identity
is. Life is a process of making your place and finding your peace. I'm
sorry to ruin the ending for you by letting you know that the big epiphany
is that everyone else is as screwed up as you are and security and
belonging are what you make of 'em.
quote: I believe you are smart,
at this point I am open to information, I have no perceptions of
Identity.except that I am a collection of experiences,dreams, preferences,
prejudices, ect...
I'm no smarter than anybody else unless the ability to eventually learn
from the repetition of the same mistakes makes a person smart. In that
case, I probably have some experience on you, but that comes to everyone in
time whether they're looking for it or not.
quote: Perhaps, I don't know if
that ever happen to me, Telling me how roles are thrust upon people? My
goal is to understand people if that is possible. What are exactly these
roles? like are roles How you act toward people or is it what relationship
you are to people? If it is you can either accept those roles or reject
them...right?
If it's not something you've noticed by now, you probably won't notice it.
It's an insidious process and it's only really remarkable when you get
thrust into the role of the "bad guy". When you're forced to be the "good
guy" (for example, when you called me "smart" above), you embrace the
process and tend to forget that you had very little to do with it.
But it happens every day. Many people cast me into the role of the
asshole, and that is exactly what they find. A good part of it is
projection on their part, however a good part of it is self-fulfillment.
When you approach someone, you automatically narrow their options for
responding to it, usually painting them into a corner that satisfies your
ideas of who they are and how they should be. We do not have the
ability to simply accept or reject these roles in most cases. I could go
on and on about this, but, as I said, it's an extremely murky and insidious
process.
Let's just use a quick example because it demonstrates in a very accessible
way what I am discussing, however. What is a "criminal"? Someone who
commits crimes? No. A "criminal" is someone convicted through a judicial
process. It is an entirely political term. A convict who is actually
innocent of whatever crime they are accused of is every bit a "criminal".
Conversely, there are many,many people who break laws and are never caught.
They are not "criminals". As soon as this label is applied to someone,
innocent or guilty of anything, that person's behaviour changes. They
will fulfill the role that has been thrust upon them no matter who
they were initially. They become what they are expected to become. This
is not a voluntary transformation and they do not have the option to reject
it.
In the end, circumstance dictates who we are more profoundly than
aptitude.
quote: True, but to know my
beliefs, this is difficult, They change with every new piece of
Information, I will sit there and go back and forth, well this side has a
good point but so does the other side. I really don't like being in the
middle but I don't want a pick side either. Oy vai.
Of course we are always in transition. Muhammed Ali said that "The man who
views the world when he is fifty the same way he did when he was twenty has
wasted thirty years of his life." Your conclusions should be
flexible enough to change when the data changes. This doesn't mean,
however, that you should put all of your conclusions on hold. I've never
seen the object that does not eventually return to the ground when you
throw it into the air, but I do not conclude that this object might exist
since I haven't yet seen all objects thrown into the air. My belief is
that mass responds to gravity and I will change that conclusion when and if
I see evidence to the contrary.
quote: nope, not at all, but
squrriels with mohawks make me giggle
The family of Scuiridae in general makes me giggle, regardless of their
hairstyle. ____________________ "I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again." |
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littlegothgirlthatcould
Member Posts: 100 Registered: 13/2/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 4/2/2008 at 11:42 AM |
hmm. Again, this type of article, makes me wonder Passenger, How old are
you?
If you don't mind me asking.
And Hi to you, welcome to Shmeng.
Word of advice, don't be like I was when i first got here and go around
spouting off about things that you don't know, and youll get by fairly
well.
Plus, since Feral isnt here to tear your conversation apart, your probably
safe
My name is Liz.
Nice To meet you. ____________________ [[Ive learned too many things to let life pass me by now. Ive grown up and
learned my lessons, this is the beginning of the future]] |
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Psychopixi
Fanatic Posts: 376 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 6/2/2008 at 02:25 PM |
quote: As soon as [a] label is
applied to someone, innocent or guilty of anything, that person's behaviour
changes. They will fulfill the role that has been thrust upon them no
matter who they were initially. They become what they are expected to
become. This is not a voluntary transformation and they do not have the
option to reject it.
I'm not sure they'd have no way of rejecting the label, and I doubt
you could accurately say their behaviour would change 'as soon as' the
label was applied.
The being labeled and changing to fit the label, is a self-fulfilling
prophecy, isn't it? I know there's plenty of studies (see links for two
examples) showing how much of an effect it can have, but I think that the
more a person 'knows themselves', the easier it is for them to reject the
label. EG: Wrongly convicted men who maintain their innocence until it is
proven and they're released from prison. Or a person with high self esteem
who can ignore petty insults.
I don't think being labeled guarantees that a person's behaviour
changes to fit the expectations, although I think it would be much more
likely when you're considering how individuals interact with one another
rather than a generic label; 'criminal', 'goth', 'idiot'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat ____________________ Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life. |
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Monolycus
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posted on 6/2/2008 at 09:34 PM |
quote: I'm not sure they'd have
no way of rejecting the label, and I doubt you could accurately say
their behaviour would change 'as soon as' the label was applied.
The being labeled and changing to fit the label, is a self-fulfilling
prophecy, isn't it? I know there's plenty of studies (see links for two
examples) showing how much of an effect it can have, but I think that the
more a person 'knows themselves', the easier it is for them to reject the
label. EG: Wrongly convicted men who maintain their innocence until it is
proven and they're released from prison. Or a person with high self esteem
who can ignore petty insults.
I don't think being labeled guarantees that a person's behaviour
changes to fit the expectations, although I think it would be much more
likely when you're considering how individuals interact with one another
rather than a generic label; 'criminal', 'goth', 'idiot'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat
Heya, Pix! Glad to see you're still with us!
I agree with much of what you wrote... and I tried to say as much myself.
It's not a single phenomenon we're talking about here (your two links
provide two very different examples), so the amount of control that a
person has to "accept" or "reject" these labels varies depending upon the
specifics.
I think, though, you're quick to dismiss "self-fulfilling prophecy" as
being negligible. To me, "self-fulfilling prohecy" is one of the more
powerful forces we deal with in this universe (taking a close second to
compound interest).
I did try to indicate that there were two things an individual could do to
mitigate this effect. The first was "knowing themselves" (I said "knowing
what they believe", but it amounts to the same thing). The second would be
the extent to which they understand the process and realise that it is
going on. Because it is truly insidious in some of its manifestations, this
is not always easy.
This will mitigate the degree to which we are malleable to the
impositions of others, but I believe it is unwarranted and arrogant to
think that we can ever become entirely free of these kinds of influences.
Further, it is probably asocial to do so. The individual who is least
affected by the interactions they have with others might be psychotic or
simply be an inveterate, obstinate ass who has arrested their own
development because of their childish unwillingness to adapt themselves to
changing circumstances (another way to say it would be that there are some
people who can not or will not relinquish their own sense of primacy in
every and all situations. These people do maintain a definite continuity in
their persons but end up leading fairly worthless lives, capable of only a
pretense of intimacy).
Mitigation would seem to be the ideal, I think. Awareness will lessen our
vulnerability to it, and knowing ourselves might even help us to direct the
process to the extent that we are able. I think that's a desirable level
of autonomy for us, and striving to achieve something beyond that removes
from us our ability to relate to others. ____________________ "I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again." |
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Psychopixi
Fanatic Posts: 376 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/2/2008 at 01:36 AM |
quote: Heya, Pix! Glad to see
you're still with us!
*smiles* Yeah, I stop by occasionally and check the newest threads. This
time I actually thought of something to say in reply!
quote: I think, though, you're
quick to dismiss "self-fulfilling prophecy" as being negligible. To me,
"self-fulfilling prophecy" is one of the more powerful forces we deal with
in this universe (taking a close second to compound
interest).
I didn't mean to come across as forcefully as that! ) I do believe
that a self-fulfilling prophecy can have a powerful effect. My sole
knowledge of the matter is drawn from A-level psychology (four years ago!)
where we studied the devastating effect it can have on a child if their
teachers label them as 'stupid'.
It was just the small bit I quoted that I disagreed with, partly because of
how inescapable you made the process sound, and partly because of the
example you gave right before it. I suggest it might be easier (although
not easy) to reject a label given to you by society because of the
two things you've mentioned - knowing what you believe, and understanding
the process is happening. I think people are more aware of general labels
applied to them than they are of personal lables, and so in a small way
have more chance to recognise what is going on, and I think it might be
easier for them to 'stay true to themselves', as fluffy-bunny as that
sounds, because not every interaction they have will reinforce the label.
What do you think? I'm afraid I've got to get ready for uni now, otherwise
I'd try and explain what I mean a bit better! ____________________ Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life. |
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Monolycus
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posted on 7/2/2008 at 03:04 AM |
quote: I didn't mean to come
across as forcefully as that! ) I do believe
that a self-fulfilling prophecy can have a powerful effect. My sole
knowledge of the matter is drawn from A-level psychology (four years ago!)
where we studied the devastating effect it can have on a child if their
teachers label them as 'stupid'.
It was just the small bit I quoted that I disagreed with, partly because of
how inescapable you made the process sound, and partly because of the
example you gave right before it. I suggest it might be easier (although
not easy) to reject a label given to you by society because of the
two things you've mentioned - knowing what you believe, and understanding
the process is happening. I think people are more aware of general labels
applied to them than they are of personal lables, and so in a small way
have more chance to recognise what is going on, and I think it might be
easier for them to 'stay true to themselves', as fluffy-bunny as that
sounds, because not every interaction they have will reinforce the label.
What do you think? I'm afraid I've got to get ready for uni now, otherwise
I'd try and explain what I mean a bit better!
It sounds as if our only disagreement is a question of degree. I don't
think that you can opt out of the process entirely and remain a social
animal (although "topping from the bottom" has been known to occur. I am
forced into the role of "monster teacher" sometimes by some of my students
whether I want to be that guy or not). Also, my example of the inveterate,
obstinate asshole isn't someone who has entirely opted out, either. That
guy has just picked the role that others are going to reinforce. No, I'm
still convinced that you'd have to be truly asocial and profoundly
psychotic in order to remain unaffected entirely.
Still, I'm interested in some more detail about why you believe the effect
can be negated in some instances. (By the way, thanks for correcting that
typo of mine in that quote. ) ____________________ "I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again." |
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Psychopixi
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posted on 7/2/2008 at 10:38 AM |
quote: It sounds as if our only
disagreement is a question of degree.
*nods*
quote: Still, I'm interested in
some more detail about why you believe the effect can be negated in some
instances.
I think that in some situations a label that might be applied to a person
might be so far off their own view of themselves that they can disregard
it. That would be the 'knowing themselves' part. For example, imagine a
student who is quite intelligent, yet does not apply themselves in class.
They may be labeled as 'stupid' by teachers, but if they have confidence in
their own abilities, and do apply themselves in learning the
material for their exams, then they could still do well.
Alternatively, if a person realises (and there's the catch) that someone
has labeled them, then they can decide if they want to be thought of in
that way, and take action accordingly. That would be the 'knowing the
process is happening' part. Example; If two people meet for the first time,
and one forms a negative opinion of the other (maybe they were having a bad
day...) then the next time they meet, person A will act towards the other
based on their initial impression (bitch / jerk etc...). If person B
realises that A's actions towards them are because of a label that was
applied to them on their first meeting, then they can act differently
towards A to engineer a label they approve of.
I think that general labels would be easier to disregard, because they are
less likely to meet with a person's view of themselves, but personal labels
would be easier to change, once you realise they exist, because you can
change your behaviour to affect how other people perceive you. ____________________ Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life. |
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Monolycus
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posted on 9/2/2008 at 12:43 AM |
@Pix
I don't have anything to add to or remark upon your latest post. I think
what I'd like to see are more clinical studies done in this direction,
since a lot of our observations here are so speculative. Unfortunately, I
can't imagine at the moment how to set up a controlled experiment to test
any of this in a really meaningful way. I'll think about it.
I did want you to know that I read your latest post and am still mulling a
lot of over. ____________________ "I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again." |
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Passenger
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posted on 9/2/2008 at 05:01 PM |
hmm. Again, this type of article, makes me wonder Passenger,
No need for concern
How old are you?
physically,young mentally, Alert, metaphorically? I feel like a thousand
years old sometimes
If you don't mind me asking.
I don't mind you asking, I just don't know why it is important.
And Hi to you, too
Word of advice, don't be like I was when i first got here and go
around spouting off about things that you don't know, and youll get by
fairly well.
ok, but it was just me and my opinion .take it or leave it.if I am wrong,
correct me, or something. Isn't a forum to express information and
opinions?
Plus, since Feral isnt here to tear your conversation apart, your
probably safe
safe For now anyway.
Cat |
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littlegothgirlthatcould
Member Posts: 100 Registered: 13/2/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 11/2/2008 at 10:27 AM |
Oh no, don't get me wrong, I definitly respect your opinion, it was just
... warning. I do that now and then because I unfortuatly was a "noisy
idiot" and ended up with a bad start, lucky me now ive grown up.. .and been
more accepted... I think.
I don't know
they like me anyway. ____________________ [[Ive learned too many things to let life pass me by now. Ive grown up
and
learned my lessons, this is the beginning of the future]] |
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Passenger
Occasional Poster Posts: 20 Registered: 2/2/2008 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/2/2008 at 06:59 PM |
Oh no, don't get me wrong, I definitly respect your
opinion,Strange, very strange, most the time I am not allowed to have
an opinion, so I 'm glad to meet someone who will listen to me,
do that now and then because I unfortuatly was a "noisy idiot" and
ended up with a bad start, lucky me now ive grown up.. .and been more
accepted... I think.
may I ask how do you become a noisy idiot, and how do you get a good start
with this group.? I think acceptance takes time, until I become familiar
with this place, I am afraid I'll be making alot of mistakes
I don't know they like me anyway
I don't know, you seem likeable to me, maybe because I am a nice person and
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littlegothgirlthatcould
Member Posts: 100 Registered: 13/2/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/2/2008 at 10:40 AM |
most the time I am not allowed to have an opinion, so I 'm glad to meet
someone who will listen to me,
I lived in a home, where I was not allowed to have an opinion and got
punched for sharing my thoughts. So i respect everyones opinion
may I ask how do you become a noisy idiot
You actually just are. There is no, becoming. I think the
definition for noisy idiot is on here somewhere. You, learn to grow out of
it, by showing your intelligence and letting your true brilliance show
through.
As an amazing person once told me, "I want to be impressed." Me, Myself, I
am looking for someone close to my own age, that I can talk to, and show
people that even though we are young, we are brilliant in our own way.
until I become familiar with this place, I am afraid I'll be making
alot of mistakes
Theres nothing wrong with making mistakes, everyone is human.
I don't know, you seem likeable to me,
Thank you very much,
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Passenger
Occasional Poster Posts: 20 Registered: 2/2/2008 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/2/2008 at 07:46 PM |
I lived in a home, where I was not allowed to have an opinion and got
punched for sharing my thoughts. So i respect everyones opinion
oh, I'd hope nobody ever punches you again, it should be against the
law.
it's good to respect people's opinions,it seems opinions have lost their
value due to something.
may I ask how do you become a noisy idiot[
/b]You actually just are.
I am,? thanks for informing me
There is no, becoming.
I disagree, I think you can become whatever you want, including an
noisy idiot, all you have to do is make up your mind and persist.
I think the definition for noisy idiot is on here somewhere. You,
learn to grow out of it, by showing your intelligence and letting your true
brilliance show through.
Intelligence , what kind? There is more than one type i know.
it is just society likes to focus on certain ones. I think all people have
something important to say somwhere deep inside .that is valid, creative
and beautiful.
As an amazing person once told me, "I want to be impressed." Me,
Myself, I am looking for someone close to my own age, that I can talk to,
and show people that even though we are young, we are brilliant in our own
way.
That's great, I have high expectations too, Although most the time
I'll be dispointted, but I seek something greater and perhaps i'll find it
someday. I enjoy watching people succeed.I am a hopeless dreamer ,you'll
know.
Theres nothing wrong with making mistakes, everyone is human.
Actually I question that i am human daily.
I don't know, you seem likeable to me,
Thank you very much,
You're welcome, do you want ketchup with that? hehe
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littlegothgirlthatcould
Member Posts: 100 Registered: 13/2/2007 Status: Offline
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posted on 20/2/2008 at 08:09 AM |
oh, I'd hope nobody ever punches you again,
Yeah, I don't live at home anymore, so I don't think it will happen
I am,? thanks for informing me
I didn't mean you in particular, dear. Just people in particular.
disagree, I think you can become whatever you want,
This is true.
Intelligence , what kind
No preference, just intelligence period, you don't see much of it
anymore.
I am a hopeless dreamer ,you'll know.
Thats okay, me too.
Actually I question that i am human daily.
Thats interesting, it happens.
want ketchup with that
If I get fries too.
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