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Author: Subject: pro choice

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  posted on 6/12/2006 at 01:04 PM
better...but not catchy enough... what about...

"It's not my business"

I mean... I suffered from testicular tortion when I was young... the upshot of that is that they basically had to give me a vasectomy at age 10... so... I won't even be connected to a decision like this...

 

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  posted on 6/12/2006 at 06:00 PM
The thought of the man's part in the whole abortion decision has always made me think a little. I mean, a woman can choose whether or not she wishes to become a mother even after pregnancy occurs, but once the woman is pregnant, the man really has no true say. What if the man doesn't want to be a father, but the woman wants to keep the baby? It hardly seems fair.

A woman's right to choose? What about the men? Yes, it's my body, but pregnancy only lasts nine months. It's being a parent that is truly life-changing, and I don't think it's right that a woman can avoid it if she wants when a man can't.

 

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  posted on 7/12/2006 at 08:18 AM
If a woman doesn't want to be a mother, she can give the kid up for adoption or have an abortion.

If a man doesn't want to be a father, he's the scum ofthe earth and you take him to court so he pays child support...

The best solution isto simply not have sex, but appearantly people are too stupid to understand that the act of putting the penis into a vagina and shaking was designed to make babies.

 

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  posted on 7/12/2006 at 11:06 AM
Not entirely... we are one of 3 species on the planet (I say species, but dolphins are a family of animals... but I think they all look alike... blue and swimmy) that has sex for recreation... if it was JUST for us to procreate... it wouldn't be such an exquisite thing... unfortunately... stupid people cannot read the side effects on the label

 

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  posted on 8/12/2006 at 11:22 AM
I think that the pleasure is a side effect. Being creatures that have the ability to reason and that are not entirely driven by instinct, we need that extra incentive.

If it didn't feel good, and it made little creatures that threw up and crapped all the time, we'd never do it, and we'd become extinct.

 

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  posted on 9/12/2006 at 09:14 AM
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I mean, a woman can choose whether or not she wishes to become a mother even after pregnancy occurs, but once the woman is pregnant, the man really has no true say.


I agree with that for that most part Schiz, but I have seen a few cases where the woman has been bullied into maintaining the pregnancy, and then keeping the child that she never wanted, all because her SO wants it. I know it's a complete exception and rare, but I'm seeing it happen right now at work. A 16 year old is pregnant by her 21 year old boyfriend, and even though she doesn't want to be a mom, both the boyfriend and her mother are wanting that baby. And all her little friends think it's soooo cute. My heart breaks a little when I see her.

 

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  posted on 9/12/2006 at 10:05 AM
well, first, she's not an adult and still answers to her parents. If she wants the abortion so badly, she should go tocourt and free herself from her parents, the aclu would probably be all over that one.

Second, her 21 year old boyfriend should nolonger be in the equation, as her parents should have shot him long ago...

 

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  posted on 9/12/2006 at 04:23 PM
That is a sad situation. But what bothers me is the fact that her parents are pressuring her to keep the child. Because they have a legal right to choose, and they are using that right selfishly.

However, if you took the parents out of the equation, and she were just giving in because her boyfriend wants the child - well, that is her choice, too. Her choice to give in to someone else's wishes. Yes, sad. Yes, something that none of us think is right. But it is still her choice, whether we like it or not.

But, if the tables were turned - the father would have no choice. Of course, I also think the choice should have been made before unprotected sex was indulged in, but still, at the very least, women should be very thankful that they DO have, well, extended choice, and be sensitive to the plight of the man who is at the mercy of their choice.

I speak from experience - you know... I once found myself with an unplanned pregnancy, the blame for it lay squarely on both our shoulders - her father really didn't want a child by me at the time - I chose to keep it - but I honored his feelings and did not force him into a fathership role - and in the end he stepped up to the plate and worked hard to be the best father he knew how.

I guess I don't just believe in a woman's right to choose - I believe in everyone's right to choose. Even if it's a choice I don't think is right.

Of course, that also means I get to choose how I respond to other people's choices, too...

 

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  posted on 10/12/2006 at 05:51 PM
Choice is a difficult thing. We can all choose to do things that are insanely self destructive or inherently important to who we are as people. Choice in and of itself should not be judged. The problem lies in the judgment for those choices we make and how we deal with them. The entire pro-life movement is essentially based on making everyone feel guilty for wanting to have a choice one way or another. Which is the most wrong, but I suspect if they weren't out there making us feel guilty for choosing someone else would be.

I agree with Schiz though, everyone should be able to choose and ready to live with the consequences of those decisions, good or bad.

 

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  posted on 14/12/2006 at 12:24 PM
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Of course, I also think the choice should have been made before unprotected sex was indulged in, .


Sometimes even the most protected sex can result in pregnancy. It's not always unprotected sex that produces unwanted pregnancies.

What about girls who are rape victims whose family makes them keep the baby because it is part of their belief structure to not have abortions?

 

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  posted on 14/12/2006 at 04:17 PM
Rhiannon is what we call a god child

Kester... my bestfriend growing up... had a vasectomy... and... she was on bc... and they used condoms... protected sex still makes babies...

not all women know taht certain medicines can weaken bc either... and it is not passed on by the medicl community... sooo

 

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  posted on 14/12/2006 at 05:00 PM
As for children conceived under rape if the girl wants to end the pregnancy that I think it is insanely cruel and self centered of the family to force the child. I can't think of anything more wrong than forcing that really. I was reading one of my favorite writers, Dan Savage and I'll quote him. This is in regards to Mary Cheny's pregnancy but I think it is more then appropriate here.

"But Mary Cheney's uterus belongs to Mary Cheney, Janice, and she can do whatever the fuck she likes with it. She can have babies with it or keep her car keys in it or fill it up with potting soil and plant tulips in it. It's her fucking uterus, Janice, not yours. And if you keep inserting yourself into it people are gonna think you're a dyke too, or Heather Poe is going to show up on your doorstep and beat the holy living hell out of you." http://citypages.com/databank/27/1358/article14969.asp Dan Savage

Essentially, it's ours to do with as we will and other people should stay out of it unless invited.

 

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  posted on 14/12/2006 at 07:41 PM
I agree with you all, about all the ways unplanned pregnancies can occur besides basic irresponsibility. I was, however, responding to Merry Widow's post, and the example she cited... which is, of course, statutory rape, but still, if teenagers want to have sex, they need to take precautions just like anybody else...

There are as many ways to start a pregnancy as there are pregnancies - still, I say, an ounce of prevention is often worth a pound of fetal tissue...

 

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  posted on 14/12/2006 at 08:06 PM
In Merry Widow's example, that is the worst kind of selfishness. She should not be forced to be an incubator for her mother or her boyfriends conciet. It is not about her. She and her desires are less important then those of two intensely selfish people that would force her to give up her life so they can feel all good about themselves through the eyes of a child. It's insanely selfish and in no way cute.

At the same time I stand by a previous statement I made. I used this when I was working with teenagers in the states because I was not allowed to talk to them directly about sex, however being that at the time I was closer to their age then many of the adults in their lives they always wanted to talk to me about sex. As I've said "if your not ready to go into a public drugstore in the middle of the day and by condoms your not ready." This was surprisingly effective advice for teenagers because it is simply so practical and easy way to measure the real desire to commit sexual acts.

I'm all about prevention. Condoms, jellies, birth control, anal sex, and masturbation have always been favorites of mine for preventing unwanted children, and even while their are extreme cases like a god child, they do not happen so often that I would tell be to give up on it. And further, while there is always prevention, it comes back to the inherent truth that if it is just not preventable then we should have the right to end it and let that be our decision as well.

 

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  posted on 15/12/2006 at 02:49 AM
exactly, Dom...
 

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  posted on 18/1/2007 at 06:28 PM
I always like how pro-life means pro-take-your-life-if-you-work-in-a-womens-clinic-oh-sorry-you-dont-actuall y-do-abortions-here? and pro-kill-criminals-screw-due-process-the-dude-is-clearly-guilty-look-at-his -do-rag! I'm personally anti-abortion but pro-choice, do what you want but don't expect me to help with that unless it's seriously a life/death emergency.

 

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  posted on 18/1/2007 at 10:30 PM
That's pretty much my line... abortion in general terms is a pretty repulsive concept to me... there is no doubt in my mind about my personal stance... but... I also have no doubt at all in my mind that it is none of my goddamned business what someone else wants to do or thinks of it... and it is also not my place to judge whether someone is a "good" person or not based on how they stand on this particular issue... just means we view things differently, which is OK by me...

 

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