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Author: Subject: Cthulhu Lives!

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  posted on 9/9/2002 at 12:58 PM
I´ve seen the site before, Dead-Cell. This is simply supplementary material to Crowley´s 777 so anyone familiar with the GD (or AA, I suppose) systems can create rituals, symbols, etc. based on Lovecraftian dieties. For example, an Invocation to Mercury would become an invocation to Nyarlathotep. Charging a Talisman with Capricorn might require an IRP of Shubniggurath. The GD is intentionally very generic so that users can personalize as far as their creativity desires.

The dieties themselves ARE the creations of Lovecraft but not exactly unreal as the Cthulhu Mythos have taken on their own egregore.

As for the Necronomicon, I stated in other posts that I cannot find a history of the book that PREDATES Lovecraft. Hence my reluctant disbelief in the it. But that is not to say that there aren´t HUNDREDS of Grimoires of sinister reputation out there.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2002 at 01:11 PM
So, in conclusion, Cthulhu and worshipping him is just as possible as with God or Allah or whatever...

 

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  posted on 9/9/2002 at 01:28 PM
Well said, my little pink pervert. I´d even say as valid as worshiping X. I know far more crazy Xians than crazy Cthulhuites (that´s a word, right?) Of course I don´t know anyone who´s ever killed a litter of kittens in the name of X (not personally anyway).

I am mistaken. I assumed the link was to a page in which someone took the Lovecraftian dieties and appliedthem to 777. The link was actually to a HTML version of the Simon Necronomicon (which is quite obviously a product of the 20th Century).

I am searching for the correct link.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2002 at 01:42 PM
Well, of course you are free to worship cthulhu all you want. Just like I can worship ducks, people hiding behind comets, or even Xenu. However the validity of your choice in the religion comes into question, why are you worshiping this, what started this.
It has come into fashion to be wiccan, pagan, or whatever you want to call it. And because of this, there are more and more people doing it simply for shock value, or to be cool. Most people out there who "worship" the cthulhu mythos are simply going through the motions, they don´t actually believe in anything, but they went right out and bought a cthulhu fish for their car.
Others are simply following people that they think are cool, they have no clue what it is that they want, nor how to get it. They just want to be around people and try to belong. Problem with people like that, is that they are the first ones to drink the magic cool aid, if you know what I mean.
As it stands, if you base your religion what a Sci-Fi writer says, you have probably got some problems to work out.
And before anybody says I´m being harsh on wiccans or what not, I´m not, I simply really dislike people that go around saying how religous they are, trying to convert people, or belittling other religions, when all they are doing is playing a game with theirs, and when they tire of it, they´ll go out and buy a new book, and profess their undying loyalty to Allah, Satan, Jesus, or Zeus for a month or two, before changing again.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2002 at 01:51 PM
I wholeheartedly agree. The kind of people that are actually going out and performing rituals based on what some cynical old fart wrote 80 years ago tend to be prone to confabulation and delusion.

Gotta ask, why do think Crowley was Lovecraft´s inspiration? Lovecraft´s work bare little relation to Thelema as far as I can see.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2002 at 02:15 PM
It was just a couple of things I read. I will admit, I haven´t read much crowely, so I couldn´t tell you what all of his beliefs were or draw exact paralells, but, I believe he took the base story from crowley, then changed all the names, twisted it around and made it into horror. I´m could very well be wrong.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2002 at 02:23 PM
The main thing they have in common would be the "unmentionable horror" of Mr. C´s fiction - "Moonchild" is really not well written...
(Explanation: I seem to remember that "unmentionable horror" pops up quite a lot in Lovecraft´s writings.)

 

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  posted on 9/9/2002 at 05:24 PM
It´s funny that ina society with absence of the sacred we have people splitting off to turn everyday things or fictional characters into objects of worship. People who restore classic carsx, Elvis impersonators, people who play Magic:The Gathering or Pokemon, almost anything becomes sacred in the hands of the truly devoted.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2002 at 07:46 PM
or the hands of the truly obsessed.
I´ve met as many crazies with classic cars as I have met crazy roleplayers.
It´s truly frightening when you combine the two.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2002 at 08:33 PM
Make a saving throw vs. oil change!

 

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  posted on 10/9/2002 at 06:13 AM
Ack shit, rolled a 2
I´ve been lubed... :eek:

 

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  posted on 10/9/2002 at 10:07 AM
Hmmm... so theorticaly speaking we could start a "Church Of Cthulhu" (if it already dosn´t exist...), like the one they had in "Shadow Over Innsmouth". Ceremonys by the sea, invoking under the moonlight, knee deep in salty water, those sort of things...
Just for the laughs, I´d like to see how many people would be actually intersted in joining. :razz:

 

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  posted on 10/9/2002 at 01:35 PM
You´d be surprised...and not a little horrified.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2002 at 02:22 PM
Actually, Bunny, there is the EOD (Esoteric ORder of Dagon) out of somewhere in New England (unfortunatly Arkham and Innsomouth are fictional, but I believe it´s somewhere in Rhode Island).

The closest parallel I see to Crowley is the 10th Aethyr (from "The Vison and the Voice" aka Liber 418) in which an evocation of the devil Choronzon is performed. Because Choronzon is entirely abstract, evocation into physical semblance was simply not possible so Crowley sat within the triangle and INVOKED Choronzon (something no one in their right mind would do but then, that´s Crowley for yoo). Donald Michael Kraig suggests that Crowley never completely banished Choronzon (something I have never read or heard of anywhere else) which is given as the reason for Crowley´s sinister reputation (as afterwards many of the people closest to him met tragedy).

Interestingly enough the name Choronzon seems to be an Enochian name (originally "Coronzon," altered by Crowley for the purpose of numerology) which appears breifly in "A True and Faithful Relation of what Passed for Many Yeears Between Doctor John Dee and some Spirits." Here is the connection to Dee just as the Necronomicon was supposed to have belonged. (here´s an interesting article discussing Coronzon/Choronzon and other Enochiana http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/gnosis/dee.html and anyone interested in the Enochian system feel free to contact mee at any time)

I reccomend reading the 10th Aethyr (even if just for shits and giggles) yoo can probably find it on equinox.com and look for either "Liber 418" or "The Vision and the Voice" and go to the 10th Aethyr.

 

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die so i could watch, and then me die.








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  posted on 10/9/2002 at 03:32 PM
Anyone here play the Cthulhu roleplaying game? If so, I would highly recommend "The Complete Masks of Nyarlathotep", "The Orient Express" and "Beyond the Mountains of Madness". These campaigns are very well written and contain alot of usefull background material for the story. When I played through them, we use about one year on each, having sessions once a week.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2002 at 04:27 PM
Cthulhu-- the only roleplaying game where players run in horror whenever the GM tells them there´s a magic object they got from the monster.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2002 at 05:05 PM
Correction, the only game where when anything happens, the players run in terror...

 

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  posted on 11/9/2002 at 02:04 AM
"We came. We observed. We ran."
From the diary of a _former_ Cthulhu investigator.

 

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  posted on 9/10/2002 at 01:55 PM
http://www.choppingblock.org/d/20021009.html

The Call of the Cthulhu???

 

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  posted on 9/10/2002 at 11:21 PM
Interesting the timing of the resurfacing of this forum.

Before I get started:
DevilBunny: The Temple of Cthulhu I visisted performed the rituals called the "Baptism by Ink," the "Laying-on of Tenticles," and the "Speaking in Beaks."
Anyone who's Interested: I was in Madison when I started this thread, one day on the UofW campus a Xian evangelist was on some kind of tyraid while a guy in back of him was holding up a sign with a pic of Cthulhu on it (the evangelist never realized it either).

Okay well, a chain of synchronicity has made mee realize I can make some money and it would be really good exercisize to create a Lovecraft Tarot deck (I'm in the right cities to get something like that published). I recently found out there is already a Lovecraft Tarot but fortunatly it sucks. Thus I have recently gotten involved with the Mythos.

It's pretty intensive study for what it is. I've been reading a ton of Lovecraft; spending HOURS on the internet researching interpritations, analysis, and little-known facts about Lovecraft (for example reading letters he wrote discussing the dieties); working-out the Gematria and other "mysteries" of the characters and dieties, plotting out Tarot correspondences (this is going to be tricky to pull-off) and rough sketches of what the cards will look like, and doing dream work (yoo know that's how it usually begins in Lovecraft's stories).

Well the point is, I am very eager to speak with ANYONE who has read Lovecraft and wishes to discuss it as it's own mythology or in the context of the Western esoteric mysteries (for example comparing it to Crowley). So if yoo have anything to say, I will listen.

 
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