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Author: Subject: War, 9/11 and the FBI.

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  posted on 7/10/2002 at 02:42 PM
Doesn´t politics always set a nasty prescedent? If the US does go to war, I really feel it will be the end for our country the way we KNOW it. The people will be seriously unhappy, and perhaps some of the blows land over here. In times of crisis they can declare martial law and the gov can order the military and police to take over completely and our rights as we know them will be *poof* gone. For an "unspecified length of time", which by the time it´s "over" the people will never be the same, and the government will no longer have their support and backing and most importantly their TRUST. An angry nation who´s been stripped of their ways of life can accomplish a lot.
Perhaps anarchy is a solution...not the way that most the kids today think of it..you know, lord of the flies and all that shit. But the people will take charge of their lives, and the government will be forced to answer. It would be a rocky length of years, but no social change is ever smooth. Perhaps there is no answer, because with the "me" generation taking it´s foothold in society in a few years, nobody will ever be happy if it´s not all about them. I can see it already.

ANd I know you weren´t aiming at me specifically, I was simply reiterating a few points by myself and others that nobody seemed to want to see.

Is it possible to uh..cheaply ..MAKE an island? With a plastic bubble over the top? Okay, scratch that.
My dad buys and sells heavy machinery and can get deals with people on concrete and stuff....I"m sure a bunker would be cheaper.
I actually read something once in a home magazine...this couple bought out this HUGE and totally abandoned underground military facility that used to store nuclear warheads in the 50´s. It´s 100% radiation proof, blast proof, and in times of crisis can be self sustaining ie: refiltered air, water, it´s own complex septic system, and plenty of food storage units. It was on unused government land. They bought it for something ridiculous like 50 or 100 thousand dollars (well below the price of any home in the state I live in)....they took out a larger loan and poured some more bucks into it to make it look and feel "homey" on the inside, and the old nuclear warhead bay the guy uses as a workshop for his ultralight business.
Talk about luck!
*searching for gov facilities for sale in the want ads*

 

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  posted on 7/10/2002 at 03:18 PM
Martial Law is the absolute last resort. That is taking powers away from the President. Think about, have these hard core generals and what not running things, and having jar headed Marines with loaded M-16s running around our back yard. That is not what this country needs, and plus, it wouldnt happen everywhere, there is not enough military to do that. Martial Law is something that no leader of this country wants, it creates panic and scare, it makes the situation at hand even worse. It brings the war home, and that is what we are fighting against right now.

And thanks Boot, i couldnt think of anything eles. hee hee

 

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  posted on 7/10/2002 at 06:08 PM
Morte is absolutely correct... formal declaration of martial law would be impossible to maintain as well as giving the people a tangible enemy. They learned this lesson at Kent State. After FEMA (Thanks again, Ron), we don´t need formal martial law to keep people in line anyway. The system is in place to give the executive branch all the power it wants without firing a shot at anybody.

Bettie is also right... an angry nation stripped of its way of life would be a problem for das überclass. But there ARE ways of enslaving a people without stirring everyone up (Think of the frog in the pot of water... raise the temperature one degree every few hours and you can boil the frog without having him hop out of the pot). Let´s look at what we have. Politicians have not had our trust for a long time now. Whenever elections roll around, they know how to push all the right buttons to give us the tiny glimmer of hope that is enough to get us to cast a vote for them, and then we slide back into our broken and apathetic habits. They have us believing that there are only two political parties and that it is outside of our power to effect real and substantive change. They know exactly how we work and play us like cheap fiddles all the time. Part of the game is NOT hiding what they are doing (all you have to do is throw the label "conspiracy theory" on something and you can plaster it on the front page. People will believe in a professional wrestler but not a conspiracy "nut"). Declaring formal martial law is imprudent and wouldn´t get them what they wanted anyway. Why jam a hook down the fish´s throat when you can convince the fish that he wants to put it there himself?

 

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  posted on 7/10/2002 at 11:12 PM
I realise that, but it´s not impossible if the shit hit the fan. Like I said, blame dean koontz for filling my head with paranoia...but just because you´re paranoid....you know the rest.
As for the frog pot...they´re raising the temperature every four years. We´ll all be frog soup in a matter of decades. The dinner party will be hosted in my bunker. Invite only!
ps- I take bribes.

 

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  posted on 8/10/2002 at 01:52 PM
Wouldn´t it be nice for one of us to masquerade as a certain party, play their game, and get elected. Then -poof- you declare yourself an independent and unfurl your own agenda...

And could you drag the brown-noses in your party with you to your banner?
:roll:

I´m not sure if it´d be -that- hard to cover the nation with military. If there was a draft, no problem. But of course, if these people were drafted and not hardened soldiers, they´d most likely be sympathetic to the people they´re supposed to be ordering around and it would fail anyway.

*unrolls a clean $1 bill for Bettie´s party* I hope the bouncer is a pushover...

 

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  posted on 9/10/2002 at 05:29 PM
The road to power would corrupt you so thoroughly you would forget you ever were an independent, Ironboots. No one gets throught he political meat grinder without realizing that they are just human, and a quiet .22 in the back of the neck one lone sunday night is your fate for fucking with the triumvirates. Forget the Templar; fear the Doctors.

 

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  posted on 9/10/2002 at 05:57 PM
Comedian is right on the money here... damn it. The fact is, that while the system is inherently corrupt, and the people playing the game are inherently corrupt, there is absolutely NO CHANCE that an honest person can compete well enough to become elected. In order to become an elected official, you have to sling mud, stab backs, accept pay-offs and have no compunction about trashing your opponent. People always ask why we have no honest politicians... there is your answer. They are "dealt with" by people who don't play fairly. I have said this before... career politicians are by their very nature evil. If they were not, they would not be successful enough to make it where anyone could see them. They might begin with the best of intentions, but if they do not play the game as the majority do, they will be eliminated by one method or another.

I think the same way about rich people in general. One does not become rich by working hard and saving their money. One becomes rich by inheritance or exploitation. Either way, they do not merit their "worth". A rich politician is, by definition, an evil bastard who should be eradicated for the good of humanity. But hey, those are just my feelings. I am

that endless reservoir of optimism,

~Monolycus.

 

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  posted on 9/10/2002 at 07:54 PM
Is there really a political out there who hasn’t
A) Made their campaign blaming entertainment for “corrupting the impressionable minds of our ‘innocent’ youth.”
B) Had some sort of sexual scandal?
C) Had some sort of extortion scandal?
D) Lied repeatedly to the public, raised taxes, drove around without a licence using government vehicles and or did some other crime?
E) Acted like any other Joe Average would and lied about it, claiming they are a beacon of perfection for all others to follow?
F) Done something not mentioned here that would be thought as "wrong?"
G) Done all of the above and or more?

Politics is riddled with corruption and people are buying it with picket signs supporting their avatar of choice. It’s sad to see people letting the TV control their thoughts. *sighs*

Avarice is the root of all evil.

[Edited on 10/10/2002 by AloneSoul]

 

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