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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/7/2004 at 02:59 AM |
The problem with a video sequence - or anything of that nature - is, how
are these people 10,000 years in the future going to view or listen to it?
If you have a DVD, you need a DVD player. Even if intelligence exceeds
ours in 10,000 years, that would just mean that DVD players will be so
obsolete that they won't even have been heard of. And how are you going to
preserve a DVD player for 10,000 years? Same with CD's or anything else
like that. ____________________ "You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism" |
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/7/2004 at 05:52 AM |
the solid state nature of the dvd playe is actually safe... BUT the dvd is
not... optical mediums break dwon at a relatively alarming rate...
Problem with pictures is this... everyone will interpret a picture with
their own life experienceces... making understanding difficult...
communication works due to the non-subjective nature of the basic words... ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist |
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Squire-of-Gothos
Fanatic Posts: 206 Registered: 1/1/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/7/2004 at 06:45 PM |
No offense alugarde, but the spirals ARE EVERYWHERE. The trees you saw; the
pattern that their branches grow in is dictated by chaos theory, the
spiral. The patterns of bark growth; spirals. It's imbedded in their DNA.
Our DNA is a spiral, and imbedded in it's code, is a chaos pattern that
allows our blood vessels to spread, our bones to grow, and our brains to
form. Do you think DNA contains enough data to dictate the placement of
each individual cell? Not a chance, but with chaos, it can organize,
multiply, and interact. A more complete understanding of the universal
properties of Chaos theory would probably make it a lot clearer why I
personally think it happens to be a symbol that NEEDS to be spread. It is
the most basic, and complex, concept on this earth, or this universe. Check
it out.
As for tree's in specific, they could easily be gone. One must assume that
there's a good chance that our species isn't around in this theoretical
future because of disaster, environmental or otherwise. Trees are pretty
sensitive creatures. It wouldn't take much to clear them form the face of
the earth. That's why it's just not viable to use things we take as
concrete and talk about them. I would give the words, in various langauges,
for Sun, and moon, and perhaps of this planet, simple math, a simple
depiction of man and woman, and a chaos spiral. Simple, quaint, obvious,
and pretty useful. ____________________ “The only thing that can alter the good writer is death.”
“You know that if I were reincarnated, I’d want to come back a buzzard.
Nothing hates him. He is never bothered or in danger, and he can eat
anything.”
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feralucce
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 1810 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 21/7/2004 at 08:07 PM |
Squire: no... elipses are everywhere...the trees grow in elispses, the
planets move in elipses, and the planets them are oblate sphereoids (3-d
elipses)... spirals rarely occure in nature... chaos theory has ntohign to
do with the spiral... a spiral is a nonrepeating, terminal shape...
fractals are micro as they are macro... infintiely repeating... DNA is a
Helix, doubled - the helix when viewd frrom "above" is a circle... no point
closer to the center point... a spiral is a curve on a plane that winds
around a fixed center point at a continuously increasing or decreasing
distance from the point
also... I believe you are confusing fractals with chaos theory...
[Edited on 7/22/2004 by feralucce] ____________________ The earth turns on a tilted axis - just doing the best it can.
Hohenheim of Light~Full Metal Alchemist |
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Alugarde
Member Posts: 185 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 22/7/2004 at 03:32 PM |
I'm sensing that I misunderstood exactly what this message is supposed to
contain. We want them to understand us, right? And by extension we want
them to understand how we lived, right? What if 10,000 years from now these
creatures that look nothing like humans living in a tree-less world open up
our message, see a picture of a man and a woman, and think, among other
things, "How did these creatures live? What sort of feeding habbits did
they have? Hmmm...what's that thing in the ground behind that one...what
are those big red balls growing on that thing in the ground behind
him...maybe they ate those..."
I realize that's stretching things a bit, but I stretched to make a point.
I guess I'm just misunderstanding what kind of questions our descendants
will have. If I found a 10,000 year old message, I wouldn't want it to
containt "1 + 1 = 2". I can go to any kindergarden and find that out. I'm
not interested in 10,000 year old technology because chances are it's
either obsolete or it's something we already know. I'm interested in the
10,000 year old way of life. That means I have to know something
about what the world was like 10,000 years ago to understand what life was
like 10,000 years ago. If trees don't exist in 10,000 years, it might be
good to let our descendants know that they did exist, so that they can
better understand us and our way of life. ____________________ l33t is the bastard cousin of contractions. |
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