Meranda_Jade
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posted on 8/4/2008 at 10:01 PM |
I was having a discussion tonight and this subject came up, no pun
intended.
The comment was made that if someone orgasms, they must have enjoyed it,
therefore it isn't rape.
My response was, "What if you are made to "enjoy" it against your will?"
Answer... "Not possible."
I disagree. I'm certain that there are situations in which an orgasm can be
forced, even if someone is against the events and actions leading up to
said orgasm. In such a situation, it would indeed be rape, and would likely
have damaging consequences. I am not talking about having regrets after the
fact... I am talking about forced orgasm under duress and amidst
protestations. I was wondering what other people thought of this.
Discuss. ____________________
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Monolycus
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posted on 9/4/2008 at 10:23 AM |
The observation that if an orgasm occurs, the orgasmer must have enjoyed it
is patently false. I wasn't there when the comment was made, but I suspect
it was made facetiously.
Orgasms can be induced electrically or by other means in the same way that
a sneeze can be induced. It can have absolutely nothing to do with the
enjoyment of the recipient and can even be performed upon an unconscious
recipient. Orgasms are simply a biological function.
The question of whether or not rape is still rape if the recipient enjoys
it seems to me a little off-the-mark as well and is begging for a clear
legal and ethical definition. Rape lay entirely with the intent of the
rapist, not the rapee. The disposition of the victim is not what
constitutes the crime in a legal sense; the intent of the perpetrator in
violating their victim is. Rape, as I understand it, is generally a
question of power and control over another; sex is secondary. If the
victim enjoys it sexually and the perpetrator enjoys violent violation, it
would still seem to be a case of rape (see, for example, the legal
definition of statutory rape). If someone kicks another person in anger,
but the person receiving the kick incidently enjoys it, an assault (albeit
a weird one) has still taken place.
The question of the act "likely having damaging consequences" is a third
issue altogether and my only response to it at this time would be STFU and
GBTW. ____________________
"I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
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dead-cell
Fanatic  Posts: 344 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/4/2008 at 06:18 PM |
| Once again I'm going agree with Mono. Orgasming durring rape is simply a
result of biological mechanisms being stimulated. I would equate it to
blushing; you may not want to blush but you're going to anyways. ____________________
co-worker: "Your gay!?"
myself: "Didn't you see my rainbow pin?"
co-worker: "I just thought you liked skettles."
-(yes, it actually happened to me)
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Pandora
Coward   Posts: 4 Registered: 13/4/2008 Status: Offline
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posted on 13/4/2008 at 12:31 PM |
This may come across as terrible and offensive, but since rape is an act of
coersion and not primarily a sex act, might it be said that it is
impossible to be raped if you decide not to be? What if you decide to
really get into it and enjoy it, just to screw with the rapist's
intentions? Granted, most people are probably not strong enough
emotionally to do this, and of course this does not excuse the rapist,
since his intentions were still to force sex against your will. This
probably wouldn't work as well with the date rape type, since they're just
looking for sex at any cost, rather than the domination angle. But I could
imagine it would be entirely possible that doing that to your stereotypical
back-alley thug might actually freak the guy out and he might decide you
were more mental than he was and take off and find someone more fragile and
fun to break. Of course, he might decide to off you for your pains, but he
could do that anyway. I would think this would be the sort of thing you
would have to pull quickly and decisively, say, as soon as you are grabbed
and the situation becomes obvious - the more the rapist has invested in the
situation the more dangerous it would become and the less likely the tactic
is to work. Beyond that, it's a basic principle of, if you can't control
what life is throwing at you, you may as well get something out of it, and
hopefully not an STD.
Of course, for 99.9% of women, this wouldn't be an option. I don't even
know if I could do it - all theory. But the concept applies in other
situations, so I think it could possibly in this one.
I'm fairly sure I've just opened myself up for a good solid flame here, but
what the hell.
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daria_4
Member   Posts: 96 Registered: 29/7/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/4/2008 at 06:42 PM |
| I don't remember where I heard it, but there was at least one woman who did
that to an attacker, Pandora. I'll see if I can find the story, but I make
no promises. It was a long while ago that I heard/read about it. ____________________
"I've told you before, I don't comprehend religion, although
conviction is a concept I'm beginning to get. In any case, a person
with a real religious conviction is, I propose, a religious convict,
and deserves locking up."
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Domkitten
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posted on 17/4/2008 at 05:52 PM |
Rape is in many ways how you process the series of events. If it not
something you wanted or something you agreed to it could be processed as
rape. Orgasm is irrelevant, as Mono so eloquently put it, the physical act
can be forced just like any other physical act. It would be like sayings
its not rape if she gets wet, or you can't rape a man. All stupidly untrue.
____________________
It's like kegel exercises for your throat.~Monolycus
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Starlight
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 618 Registered: 27/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 27/4/2008 at 09:48 PM |
| As I recall it being explained in biology class or a porn manual...hard to
be sure which...becoming wet and orgasming developed as a protective
mechanism of the body. Something to the effect of that cavemen weren't
necessarily concerned with satisfying a woman so much as spreading their
seed. ____________________
"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before." ~Mae West
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MystryssRavynDarque
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 648 Registered: 24/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 12/5/2008 at 12:35 PM |
| It is still rape even if the victim enjoys it. That's really simple to me. ____________________
"People always say what we are looking for is a meaning for life…I don't
think that's what we're looking for. I think what we're looking for is the
experience of being alive." -Joseph Campbell
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dead-cell
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posted on 14/5/2008 at 11:11 PM |
| OK, it seems there is a common consensus that rape is rape. So, not to
hijack the thread, but what do you consider is worse: murder, rape, rape
then murder, or muder then rape? ____________________
co-worker: "Your gay!?"
myself: "Didn't you see my rainbow pin?"
co-worker: "I just thought you liked skettles."
-(yes, it actually happened to me)
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Meranda_Jade
Fanatic Posts: 511 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 15/5/2008 at 06:35 AM |
Yes, I agree, the original point has been made. As far as considering what
is worse out of several horrible scenerios, they are all a violation.
I think personally, if things were happening to me, the things *I* would
consider worst would be in this order:
Rape can be lived with and gotten over eventually. You still have your life
ahead of you.
Murder, well if it's quick and painless, at least it's all over and nothng
to worry about afterward.
Murder then rape, well I don't care one way or the other what some sick
bastard does with my remains. I'm not there to see it, after all.
Rape then murder is just adding insult to injury.
As far as society is conderned, I think they would arrange it a bit
differently. I think sex with a corpse would be at the top of their "bad
things" list... it's a defilement. And again, with the rape thing, it's
also a defilement. There are people who would much rather be dead than
defiled. I think they would see murder after a rape as sort of a blessing.
dead-cell, you have a knack for taking an uncomfortable subject and making
it downright disgusting. Thanks a lot.
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dead-cell
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posted on 15/5/2008 at 05:49 PM |
You still love me, right?
quote:
As far as society is
conderned, I think they would arrange it a bit differently. I think sex
with a corpse would be at the top of their "bad things" list... it's a
defilement. And again, with the rape thing, it's also a defilement. There
are people who would much rather be dead than defiled. I think they would
see murder after a rape as sort of a blessing.
You would think so, but no.
http://www.kutv.com/content/news/watercooler/story.aspx?conte
nt_id=671bafdf-6701-4cfe-bd40-93eabe59e03c
"The other three teens are charged with abuse of a corpse -- a misdemeanor.
Each of the boys reportedly gave written and verbal confessions, in which
they claimed to have dug up the boy's body during a two-day period."
[Edited on 5/16/2008 by dead-cell] ____________________
co-worker: "Your gay!?"
myself: "Didn't you see my rainbow pin?"
co-worker: "I just thought you liked skettles."
-(yes, it actually happened to me)
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Meranda_Jade
Fanatic Posts: 511 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 15/5/2008 at 11:37 PM |
quote:
You still love me,
right?
Of course. Nobody else gives me Japanese rope bondage porn.
You would think so, but no.
http://www.kutv.com/content/news/watercooler/story.aspx?conte
nt_id=671bafdf-6701-4cfe-bd40-93eabe59e03c
"The other three teens are charged with abuse of a corpse -- a misdemeanor.
Each of the boys reportedly gave written and verbal confessions, in which
they claimed to have dug up the boy's body during a two-day period."
Ah, but they didn't actually fuck it, did they? They abused it... they
didn't rape it. Which would be even more objectionable to society,
considering that it would also be necrophiliac pedophilia. Besides, it was
a long-dead corpse that nobody really cared about. Now, if they'd dug up
JonBenet Ramsey's body and skullfucked it... I think they would have gotten
more than a misdeneanor charge. Honestly... aren't kids kept busy enough
these days to keep them from doing stupid shit like this?
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SahibOfTheOrient
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posted on 25/7/2008 at 10:44 AM |
When I was younger, I was raped.
I didn't have an orgasm. ____________________
Into dark I fall,
Into light I crawl,
With your soul juice on my face,
Her blood taste like paste...
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dead-cell
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posted on 12/12/2008 at 04:11 AM |
So here is a new and Awkward 'Is it rape?' hypothetical:
Say person A and person B have sex every Tuesday 9pm sharp. This has been
going on for years. Then one day person A slips into a coma somehow. Person
B still has needs and still loves person A very much. Should person B
attempt intercorse on a Tuesday night with person A would it be rape? ____________________
co-worker: "Your gay!?"
myself: "Didn't you see my rainbow pin?"
co-worker: "I just thought you liked skettles."
-(yes, it actually happened to me)
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Monolycus
Fanatic Posts: 580 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 12/12/2008 at 10:05 PM |
quote:
So here is a new and
Awkward 'Is it rape?' hypothetical:
Say person A and person B have sex every Tuesday 9pm sharp. This has been
going on for years. Then one day person A slips into a coma somehow. Person
B still has needs and still loves person A very much. Should person B
attempt intercorse on a Tuesday night with person A would it be rape?
Only if the orderly on duty walks in during the act. ____________________
"I believe that woman is planning to shoot me again."
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