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| Drama: Punks Take a Stand |
Posted by
ThatOneWastedChick on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:21 PM PST
I’ve noticed something wrong with Shmeng. Something very wrong. Now, I can understand why it’s on here. If I were in the position of the adults on Shmeng I’d probably do it too. What is this horrible wrongness I’ve seen? Kid bashing. Not only does it make me feel bad it’s also hypocritical. I’m sure when the adults were our age they were similar. But the kids aren’t really helping the matter either. However, I think it’s time that one of the punks stands up for all teenage kind. No matter how naive we may be…
Yes, I’ll admit it. Teenagers do whine a lot. Usually about something tiny or something that’s cliché. If I had a dime for every time I heard or read some depressed teen on the net say “You don’t understand me!” I’d have quite a few dimes. But, have you thought about it? It might be true. Or maybe it’s the other way around. Maybe we don’t understand you.
Let’s ponder over this absurd notion for a minute. You grown-ups have lived much longer then we have. It’s true. You’ve been through so much more then we have. You’ve had to pay bills, you’ve had jobs, and some of you even have children of your own! We will someday too. But what have we’ve done at this point in our lives? We’ve had to pay for that tube of lipstick (or have had mommy and daddy buy it for us), we’ve done chores around the house or have worked at Burger King, and we’ve baby-sat or have younger brothers and sisters! We can’t possibly comprehend your world.
That’s why we whine about things that don’t really matter to you. That’s why we freak out over something so small. And that’s why we don’t get you. Also, from our perspective sometimes you freak out over tiny things too. For instance we don’t understand why you get so upset over teenage angst. You complain just like we do. Sure, yours maybe more serious, but it’s still complaining and whining just the same. So isn’t it in a way hypocritical to yell at us and tell us to suck it up when you whine just the same? It's just a natural part of life. Just like you bitching about your job, we bitch about school. Just like you bitch about your boss, we bitch about our teachers or our parents. Even in adulthood some of you still bitch about how your parents don’t understand you! Trust me on this one though, as much as you don’t want to hear us complain, we don’t want to hear you complain either. You think that our problems are unimportant and trivial but it’s really only about your point of view. There’s probably someone in some far away land who’s starving and who’s family was just blown up who thinks your problems are just as trivial as you think ours are. You tell us “Just wait till you have REAL problems.” Have you ever stopped to think that that foreigner is saying that about you? Probably not. You don’t want to think about that anymore then we want to think about having your problems.
Reading over what I have written I have come up with a new thought. Maybe we aren’t so different after all. Maybe if we tried really hard we could understand each other. And maybe I’m just dreaming. Nonetheless, adults shouldn’t be as hard as they are on teenagers, and teenagers shouldn’t yell at the adults about not understanding them. For, most of the adults are far wiser then you and I. So, adults, next time you think about scolding that young kindergothen and telling them they shouldn’t be so shallow put yourself in their shoes for just a moment. Fellow teenagers, before replying back to that adult who has scolded you, try to look at the world from their perspective. Or at least make yourself intelligent sounding in the reply. Or maybe read what they have written and think about the comments they have made. There just might be some good advice in there… somewhere…. Now that that’s said and done let’s all take a moment to reflect on ourselves and try to understand each other to the best of our abilities.
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com)
on Sep 06, 2002 - 04:37 PM
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This supposes that A) teenagers care what others say B) adults care what others say C) both groups care about people in general and D) that either group cares about people in specific.
My biggest gripe about teen angst is it's spelling. (if you want to me understand your "pain", then explain it so that i can understand it).
My second biggest gripe is that, for me as for so many others, it is often based around the teen not thinking for itself, rather being led by its unthinking peers or by marketing companies or dysfunctional family values.
But please dont think that "adults" dont want to to listen to teen angst but will listen to other "adult" angst. that isnt true either. Just like most teens dont actually want to sit there and listen to thier friends claim that they want to commit suicide over some guy or some pants or whatever, most "adults" dont want to listen to "adults" whine about bills, childcare, morgages, or whatever. As someone once said "pain looks great on other people", but once they open thier mouths to whine for 3 hours, well that is just as dull as a teen whining for 3 hours.
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by ThatOneWastedChick on Sep 06, 2002 - 05:05 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http:// | | Callei, this is a very good point, but remember, I never said anyone WANTED to listen to people complain. I am just saying that maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge teenagers because they do. Adults complain, teenagers complain, everyone complains. I just wanted to explain why we do and to say that don't yell at the younger generation just because they complain too, it isn't right. Just because we are younger doesn't mean we don't have an less right to moan and groan about our lives then you do. |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by AloneSoul (AloneSoul@hurting.com) on Sep 06, 2002 - 09:42 PM
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Oh we are the underground Army...
*i love that song*
I have to make this statement.
Adults have experienced the best and worst life has to offer; however, (for a good portion) they did not have to experience the things that youth today must trudge through. Here are some examples:
Increasing terrorism, pedofile priests, school massacres and increasing school violence, increasing gang violence, increased sexual assaults and propaganda (girls especially), increasing home violence, divorced and or divorcing parents, lack of parental influence, a greater peer pressure, mainstream glamor and the rush to fit in (if the individual is weak minded), political slander (constantly complaining and putting us down, blabbering that our entertainment is destroying us {youth} and we cannot handle life etc)...
The reason why youth today complains (and breaks down) so damn much is because we are forced into adult situations much quicker than older people didn’t have to sustain. *note i am talking about modern times* Many of us are able to adjust, resist and push, and there are those who cannot. Those people commit suicide over trivial things such as lost love/conform to the mainstream, political and or religious factions.
Youth today suffers more than you’d expect. Believe me, I know. Anyone here can testify to that. |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com) on Sep 06, 2002 - 10:34 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | | Actually, I believe that AloneSoul does know what he's talking about. Things are worse than they were when I was a kid... I do understand what the teens are going through. I went through hell as a teen, and I remember it clearly. I know that many of these kids have lives as hard as mine used to be. When I was a teen, my worst problems were, "Am I going to be picked on at school today? (usually a resounding YES) and Are my parents going to pick on me when I get home? (Yet another resounding YES) " You have no control over your life until you get to an age where you are responsible for yourself. This is the biggest problem with teens at any time period. The thing is, when you do finally get to that magical age where you are responsible for yourself, you realize just how good you had it when you had a home to come home to where you weren't responsible for every little aspect. You could just go to your room and shut the door and someone else would pay the bills and take care of putting food on the table. (Usually, that is, there was a period of time in my life where I was the breadwinner of the family and had to hand my checks over to my mom, who would promptly buy booze with it. And then she wouldn't share it) Hate to tell you people, but this is really the best time of your life. Hate to tell you that, because when I was a teen, I just wanted to give up and slash my wrists because it was too much damn trouble sometimes to get out of bed and go to school, and then go to work, and then go to bed. I hated it because I knew damn well I was unloved and unwanted except for the minium wage check I could bring home every week. I hated it and hated it, but kept on because there was nothing else I could do. I was too chickenshit to take the easy way out. So I grew up. I had kids of my own. I do the best I possibly can for them, and they STILL HATE ME. The oldest is 8, and she thinks I'm TOO FUCKING HARD ON HER. She has a cake life compared to me, she doesn't have to go to public school, she has a few chores around the house, and she is ANGRY with me much of the time, because I TELL HER WHAT TO DO. If I didn't do that, she would have a much harder time when she gets that magical moment when she's out on her own. I just hope she dosen't have a child of her own by then to take the blissful moments of freedom away from her just as she gets them. You teens scare the hell out of me, because I can see just what my kids are going to be thinking of me in a few years. Just remember: Your parents are doing all they know how to do. My mother was insane, that's why I had the troubles I did. She did the best she could, and she must have done something right, because my sister and I are doing well for ourselves, and are good people. I am not against you teens. I admire a lot of you for being able to deal with the crap you have in your lives. I had an odd situation, and I'm sure many of you do as well. I would like to be able to teach you all that you CAN RISE ABOVE IT. That's my function as an adult on this board. I want so very much to make a difference in someone's life, to tell my stories, and to give all of you the idea that you CAN do what you want in life, that life WILL treat you well. It's up to you. All I, or any other adult here can do is guide you. The steps you take are your own. |
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Been there.
by Monolycus on Sep 06, 2002 - 10:05 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | I'm sorry that I have to disagree with you, Alone. We had every one of those issues in my day as well... and we, too, were told by the media that they were all on the increase then as well. Every generation imagines it has it the worst. So it has been, so will it ever be.
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Re: Been there.
by AloneSoul (AloneSoul@hurting.com) on Sep 06, 2002 - 10:36 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http:// | Monolycus, I understand your point.
Devin, to chop up all the crap I said into a quick sentence, children are pushed into the adult world at a younger and younger age. That’s the point of my little opinionated ramble, maybe it didn’t come out right...my mind is in a few different places at the moment. |
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Re: Been there.
by Devin (devin-at-vibechild-dot-com) on Sep 07, 2002 - 02:44 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://devin.vibechild.com/ | | Maybe at a younger age than my parents, but I think you're thinking of adults as people a little older than the adults on this site. Or maybe the people I was around just got pushed into it younger than the rest of the people my age. Stuff was hyped in the media less then, and most of us don't like to talk about it much now, but it still happened, and we still had to be grownups at about the same age as the kids i'm seeing nowdays. |
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Re: Been there.
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Sep 07, 2002 - 07:16 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | rape is on the decline, school violence is less than it was in the 80's, fewer children are reported as "very abused" now than 15 years ago, and most kids dont have to get a job at 14 any more.
World trade center vs. the iran hostage crisis, the gulf war, Europe being bombed almost weekly, and the begining of "profiling.... hmm what is worse there.
The WTO riot vs watts partII.
The Actual Red Menace pre the tear-down of the berlin wall.
The Cuba missle Crisis
Why do you think that they put metal detectors in your schools? Because we shot each other and the teachers. it took years for the schools to respond to the treat. But there were metal detectors, undercover cops, and random drug testing and locker searches when i was in highschool.
My point being, i guess, get a grip and stop whining. life isnt a cartoon on your 200 cable tv.
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Re: Been there.
by AloneSoul (AloneSoul@hurting.com) on Sep 07, 2002 - 09:35 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http:// | Please note that I am talking about American society but realize that genocide didn't stop in WWII.
Cambodia, by 1979 over a million Cambodians died. Bosnia - Herzegovina, 1992, millions perished under the hands of Serbs. Rwanda, 1994, nearly a million Tutsis died. Men, women, children.
America didn’t feel the sting of WWII until Pearl Harbor. However, we have been feeling the wrath of terrorists for a very long time. We all know the examples but there are many more.
Now, on to my “whining.”
Callie, I speak from experiencing and seeing these things. I lived in a small city and moved to a suburb. Gangs come and go, I’ve seen many sights that I talk about first hand. My friends come to me and ask for help when other “men” do terrible things to them. You may think that I am whining, but maybe you’ll understand when your best friend is drugged and raped by two guys at a party.
You can say that she shouldn’t have been there but then what about her begin mugged and raped again? That was a few weeks before. She walked down a street.
Again I can go with examples. Don’t believe me? That’s ok, I know what I know is the truth and that’s what matters to me.
TV doesn’t control me. It’s entertainment, I see it as that and not something which holds command over me.
Yes, some of these things are on a decline but those types of violent activities are happening to young and younger people...that’s my thought, if it comes of that I’m whining then I’m sorry for annoying you. This is how I feel.
Oh, my school along with many others in NJ didn't and still don't have metal detectors. I don’t know the numbers which do. Also, I don’t have 200 cable channels. Not nearly that. |
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Re: Been there.
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Sep 07, 2002 - 12:53 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | im not saying that people arent still sick fucks, but there were sick fucks before you were born and some of the people you know will grow up to be sick fucks that rape, murder, or bomb day cares.
I was raped. so were many of my friends, both boys and girls. I think i can speak about what i know too. there are better (dont kill as often) "date" rape drugs, yes. but overall fewer people are being raped.
In my age group, if you are female, by the time you were 25 there was only a 10% change that you hadnt been raped or molested or both.(only 1 in 10 of us on average hasnt been raped and/or molested)
In the next younger age group, as a female you have a 25% of not being raped and/or molested by the time you are 25. Those are way better odds.
in the age group older than mine, the rate was closer to 7%, so my age group had it better than those before us as well.
All i am saying is that things have actually been worse than they are now, in some ways. You dont get random drug tests, have a lesser chance of rape, a lower chance of teen pregnancy, a lower chance of AIDS (and better treatments) safer birth control, more access to information, a lower chance of being murdered by a peer, better nutrition(even in school lunch programs), less likley to have to work in middle school, and more legal recourse if things are bad than i did.
But i had it better than my parents did too, and i still bitched about how bad i had it. I guess i just hope some of you will read some "history" and learn to bitch because it sucks now (and maybe work to make it better) and stop thinking that you have it the worst in american history. |
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Re: Been there.
by Devin (devin-at-vibechild-dot-com) on Sep 07, 2002 - 02:21 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://devin.vibechild.com/ | As far as gangs violence goes, apparently some people don't remember the crips and the bloods in their heyday. I lived in LA when it was really going on. I used to wear colors sometimes, but after watching people get shot simply for wearing something with red on it in my neighborhood I figured black was safer. If someone got shot in my neighborhood, we'd all just hide for about 3 days. That's about how long it took for my neighborhood to kill somoene in their neighborhood, and for them to come back shooting at anything that moved in mine. (And they always would).
I don't see how you can say that it's worse now than it was then. You didn't see it then. We've seen it now, and we've seen it then. It baffles me how some people can be so self centered as to think that the world started when they were born. |
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TIRED OF IT.
by Monolycus on Sep 07, 2002 - 01:14 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | "...I know what I know is the truth and that’s what matters to me."
THAT is precisely what is so god damned irritating about trying to have these discussions. If your version of reality is written in stone already, then what the hell are you doing here? If you already have all the answers then you are not here to discuss anything, you are here to sell something. Now...
1. "Kids have to grow up too fast nowadays."
In Shakespeare's day they were married and starting families between the ages of 12 and 14. At the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, 9 and 10 year olds were working 12 hour days in factories. As late as the god damned 1950's in the United States of America, it was not unusual for 14 year olds to quit school to go to work on family owned farms where they would spend the rest of their lives.
Bottom line: This species already has the longest period of maturation and adolescence of any god damned organism on the planet. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? "Childhood" (viz. the period of time in which you get to behave childishly) is already nearly two decades for you. Are you complaining because harsh reality isn't completely abolished for you in that time?
2. "You'll understand when your best friend is drugged and raped..."
How in the hell do you know her best friend wasn't? Further, how do you know that any man or woman here has not gone through any bad experience that you can name? I'm not going to go on about this, but just to let you know, I was sexually abused as a child and raped as an adult... doesn't just happen to women. You are not the only one who has had bad things happen to or near them... stop acting like it. It is NOT endearing.
Bottom line: Get out of your own head for a bit. If you try to trump someone by playing the trauma card, you are going to find out that EVERY PERSON ON THIS PLANET can play that game to one degree or another. And many of them will have bigger cards in their hands.
3. "...violent activities are happening to young and younger people."
First of all, they aren't. Children and the infirm have ALWAYS been the target of choice for criminals and the sociopathic in one way or another... but (pay attention) WHAT DOES IT MATTER HOW OLD A VICTIM IS? Is it all right if violence happens to somebody in their prime? Is it not a crime if men suffer as long as the women and children are safe?
Bottom line: Where does this lifeboat mentality come from? Wrong is wrong. Get over it.
Bottom bottom line: You seem to have bought into the victim mentality hook, line and sinker. I can't stop you from going through life thinking that these are the end times, nobody at any point in history has ever had it so bad as people... scratch that, children do today, and that everybody has it wrong but you. I can only tell you that you will make both yourself and everyone around you a great deal happier if you grabbed a bit more perspective and toned down the self righteousness.
~Monolycus.
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Ok, let's calm down.
by AloneSoul (AloneSoul@hurting.com) on Sep 07, 2002 - 01:48 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http:// | This conversation is pissing off alot of people, I'm done with it and I'll be the first to say that I am sorry for bring this up. I am also sorry for angering the people who are angered.
Ok? Everyone keep cool and calm, this only the internet and a discussion group. |
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Re: Ok, let's calm down.
by Monolycus on Sep 07, 2002 - 04:57 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | That's why they don't let us have newspapers here at the nursing home. It angries up the blood.
~Monolycus. |
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Re: Ok, let's calm down.
by Merry_Widow on Sep 08, 2002 - 01:34 AM
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by Arthegarn on Sep 07, 2002 - 02:53 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | | Mph. I am afraid I would have to be an United States resident to really understand what are you talking about. After all my parents grew up under Franco so I can never say things get harder for youngsters in Spain. 30 years ago I would have been using all my legal knowledge just to keep me out of prision... |
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For ages 3 and up
by Monolycus on Sep 06, 2002 - 08:20 PM
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You've raised some valids, Wasted... and since I seem to be one of the most easily misunderstood of the virtual denizens here, I don't have much to lose by responding to you.
What you are calling for, if I read you correctly, is something that we all hear about but few of us ever actually see in a lifetime. I think the ancients called it "Compassion". Seeing things from anyone else's perspective is not something that comes easily to anyone of any age, gender, nationality, orientation, background, tax bracket or any other modifier you want to slap in this sentence. To begin with, our culture doesn't support the idea. Like the phrase "all men are created equal", compassion is something that looks great on paper, but has absolutely no meaning in our daily lives. Of course we're hypocrites. If we layed out our practices on the table beside what we say we believe, we'd be forced to see that we are all of us a bunch of indefensible monsters that can't genuinely justify the oxygen we've spent the afternoon sucking down. That's just the way the cookie bounces. The biggest hurdles in convincing ourselves that we are not as bad as we really are involve spending our time in a tremendous amount of denial, not closely examining much of anything and being as self absorbed as we can be and still manage to get what we want from others. Naturally, we have no interest in another person's point-of-view because in order to really appreciate where someone else is coming from we have to know where we are coming from ourselves. Come on now, nobody wants that.
So why does that bother you here more than it does somewhere else? Shmeng is all about bleeding off the... well, shmeng. Cartharses don't just happen. You have to bitch. A very wise person told me not so long ago that shmeng was the virtual equivalent of a hissy fit. You just feel better for getting it out of you. Unfortunately, the quality of the rant is necessarily going to differ between people whose lifestyles are as different as "kids" and "grown-ups". Perspectives change as lifestyles do.
Primarily, though, the reason I am not interested in seeing the same tired clichés from teenagers (and preteens nowadays... damned growth hormones in the dairy products!) is because I have been there and explored them all to their logical extent. Everybody who has been a teenager has. If teens do not care about the complaints of the adults, it is because they can't identify. When adults don't want to hear about teen angst, it is because they identify all too well... and gotten sick of it. Maybe part of that comes from the embarrassment of having been there ourselves and realising how petty and meaningless it turned out to be.
At any rate, as long as people bleed off their shmeng here, there will be "whining"... and as long as there are different demographics here there will be people who don't want to hear about it. If you are not too thin-skinned about things, it will work itself out. In the meanwhile, you seem to be a thoughtful person, and thoughtful whining is easier to digest than ignorant agreement... no matter how old you get. I am, I was, I will be
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
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If everyone could write like this, there would be way less kid bashing. Everyone should be very afraid of someone this age who can think this clearly, and pays this much attention, and obviously has no fear.
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Sep 07, 2002 - 06:44 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | I think that the keywords here are "think clearly".
Dont' get me wrong, I've done some hairbrained idiotic shit in my life, but dammit there was a LOT of thought behind each...even if it resulted in the wrong decision...that way when I fucked up and the shit hit the fan I had a REASON..not just a shrug and an " idunno"...which usually kept me out of trouble.
I notice from most kids today they don't even take the time to think about ANYTHING. I had to pry a HOME ADDRESS out of a 16 year old bit by bit...asked him if he'd moved recently, and said no, I"ve lived there all my life. I told him he better not get lost, or he'd never find his fucking way home.
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
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Yeah, if all teenagers, especially the younger ones, could write and/or think in this way, there would be no problems with understanding each other with adults.
You mention bitching about teachers and parents. But in most sitiuations (except those with alcoholic parents and that sort) those people just know what's good for you, they try to show you the right way in life, and make you a more inteligent and smart person in the future. Although for many teens it is hard to see this. And I seriously doubt that parents want bad for their children. They love you, but they just sometimes show it in way that you don't understand.
Teenagers whining about shit... as You are generaly writing about American teens, I won't say anything about that. Nowadays it's hard to destinguish those who have real problems and those who just 'pose'. And most of these problems seem a bit funny to me, that is because when I was younger, I lived Poland, and we experience the fuckin' joys of commusnism. And maybe that showed me real problems, not just whining about the next lost boyfriend or that your dad won't give you more money.
That's my bit...
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by Arthegarn on Sep 07, 2002 - 02:46 AM
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My dear ThatOneWastedChick :
I guess I am one of the "adults" in Shmeng even though I do not practice kid bashing. But rest assured if I did it i would not be hypocritical because when I was your age I was definitely NOT like you. Maybe it was my rising, maybe it was my faith, maybe it was my logic but I never whined saying I wasn't understood. Do you know why? Because I spent too much time trying to understand myself.
Nobody understands the stereotypical teenager because they don't understand themselves either. They are full of contradictions, of opossed wishes and motives, of raging hormones that make them change from joy to sorrow in a matter of seconds. As Jean-Luc Picard said "I barely know who she is and then who she is changes the moment the next man comes into the room"
When I was a teenager I was not sure who I was, but I knew something from the start and that is who I wanted to be. I wanted to be Sir Drymard von Bourn. In the 20th century, of course (Sir Drymard, by the way, was my Paladin character in AD&D. I had that character for twelve years, ever since I was 15, and he reached 12th level XP by XP) Whenever I was in a doubt I wondered how would Sir Drymard act and that I did. Yeah, yeah, go ahead and post something about a super-ego personalization role model and I'll agree, but the fact is that character helped me to see who I wanted to be and so to configure my personality.
When I was a teenager I could not understand most tenagers around me. I understood adults MUCH better. My friends seemed too busy getting drunk or smoking dope or experimenting with sex and romance as to get what I considered a life... They just lived for the moment, for their gross apetites, just like that barbarian king in De Rei Cordis. They were so unstable in their attitudes... Not superficial ones, they all agreed I wasted my time with my books and said I had to "get a life", for instance. I mean they were unstable in who they were, what they wanted, what were they going to do to get it, what they felt... Actually they considered me some sort of a rock in the malestorm and clinged to me when the turmoil of their lives and emotions was too violent for them (I will always think that's one of the reasons I had so many girl friends and so few girlfriends). My closest friends said I was a disguised Vulcan
Being an adult is not about paying bills and having jobs, just as being young is not about going to the High School and having a (comparatively) load of spare time. I know people who are 40 and have children of their own and they never grew up. They never matured. Being an adult is about realization, about realizing who you are, deciding who you want to be and struggling to get to be that person. It's about not being carried by the tides of life in any direction, and that includes stereotypical and unthinked "I-am-against-insert-word-here". It's about NOT being a punk unless you really believe there is no future (and with all due respect if you really believe that you'd better get help before you hurt yourself).
I can't speak for ever adult in Shmeng (sure they will make their voices heard, anyway) but I wouldn't say what you whine about doesn't interest us. Actually if you look around you'll see we whine about almost the same things: too little love, too little sex, too little money. It's all about the WAY the whinning is done. One thing is releasing presure in a brief, one time explosion; or asking for advice, or just sharing your problems when you just can't solve them by yourself (hey, I've done that twice in this site and nobody complained) and another thing is the Deus Ex Machina whinning, the crying in mommy's shoulder attitude, as if complaining was going to solve something (a childish attitude that really works for children). It's the "Hey-look-at-me-I-am-in-such-a-special-situation". OK, what is it you want? An advice to solve your problem? Counseling? Shmeng release? Or just to be
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by Arthegarn on Sep 07, 2002 - 09:05 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | | By the way... when I say "I was definitely NOT like you" I mean that as an impersonal, not specifically you. Translation glitches, sorry. |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by ThatOneWastedChick on Sep 07, 2002 - 06:07 PM
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Okay, I am sorry I wrote this article. It has made a lot of people angry and has caused fighting. I am truly sorry I did that. I just wanted to say that if you want to bitch then dont bash others, even whiny teenagers, when they do. Or if you are going to bash someone think about why they are complaining first. Try to veiw their situation from their shoes. I dunno... maybe I'm asking to much of the world. Nonetheless, sorry for causing such a riot on Shmeng.
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Sep 07, 2002 - 06:58 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Girl you didn't cause a riot, you caused a heated debate...it was a well written article from your point of view, which is why it was published in the first place, not for everyone to take a stab at you. If you look at it from a different perspective you'll maybe see that, that mixed in all the "anger" you saw were things to take into consideration.
Being told that things aren't the worst in history now isn't picking on you, it's opening your eyes a little that maybe it's just not so bad, and WHY teenagers (the typical kind) have such a bad rep...they do it to themselves. It's self inflicted.
Crime hasn't gone up, it's just more easily reported on and sensationalised. Schools aren't more dangerous, they're just so protected now that it gives the ominous impression that danger is at every door.
If you don't wanna be lumped in, then don't participate in idiocy, and people WILL see the difference in you, and NOT equate you with the loathe demon teenager.
Right or wrong, NEVER be regretful of your words or feelings. Tho maybe not 100% accurate in the real world, if they're real enough to you, they're real enough to express. If people were 100% correct and enlightened 100% of the time, we'd all get very bored very fast. Don't take life too seriously...the more you can laugh at yourself, the more enjoyable life becomes.
And honey, if you wanna see a riot, just wait until my annual thanksgiving vegan tirade pops up again*bwahahhahah* nuthin like veggies vs. carnivors to wad panties around the fucking world *insert evil vegan genious cackle of doooooom* |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by AloneSoul (AloneSoul@hurting.com) on Sep 07, 2002 - 09:59 PM
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Or Win.
It'll happen. |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Sep 07, 2002 - 10:11 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | sweetie, you didnt start an arguement. This is the arguement that you were talking about, the one that you said we should all have compassion for each other.
you are seeing the same boring arguement. we are participating in the same arguement: teen whines that thier life is WORSE (this is the key point) than anyone else's ever. We are saying they are wrong. this is the boring agrivating frustrating part of dealing with "teens", the self-centered, myopic, woe-is-me world view mixed with the denigration of everyone else lives and world views. |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Sep 08, 2002 - 12:51 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | AH HA! FINALLY I CAN PUT MY FINGER ON WHAT BUGS ME THE MOST!!!!* feels enlightened beyond comprehension*
Usually it's just an overall irritated sort of blah I couldn't pinpoint.
Callei, you as always unscramble my brain for one millisecond.
And wasted, it's NOT all teenagers. I hated being "lumped" in with it too, but unfortuantely it's unavoidable. So if you hear bitching, and it's at teenagers, but on points that don't apply to you then you have nothing to be bothered about.
Hell, feel free to join in.
Like it's said over and over, age is relative. |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by Monolycus on Sep 08, 2002 - 01:19 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | | That's what we were going on about at the top of the page, Bettie. Maybe I need to work on my communication skills. This kind of thing keeps happening. |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Sep 08, 2002 - 06:13 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Nah, I think everyone is hypersensitive sometimes when touchy issues come up.
When you combine hypersensitive people and very vocal and outspoken or blunt people there is PLENTY of room for misunderstandings.
Blah. I try at least, but usually it's unsuccessful ;P |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by Monolycus on Sep 07, 2002 - 10:41 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | Nope, no retractions allowed, Wasted. It was a good article, and nobody, to my knowledge, was really fighting (we tend to be an expressive bunch when we feel strongly about things). Believe me, there have been much more strongly worded sentiments here. You did your job very well, and that it is to fuel debate. You didn't really want a total of only four responses that all said "Good submission!", did you...?
Anyway, there's no riot, and only a few ruffled feathers. I've got a sneaking suspicion it will all be forgotten inside a few days, anyway... see Bettie's comment about the vegan Thanksgiving. *wink* I am, I was, I will be
~Monolycus. |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Sep 08, 2002 - 12:47 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Yeah, riots online are a lot more passive agressive and *ahem* SAFER than my usual plot to run through the FFA barns at the state fair shreiking "MEAT IS MURRRRDDEERRRRRRRR"
Good times, folks, good times...that is, until security shows up *snicker*
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Sep 08, 2002 - 08:32 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | i thought is was a good time til the lawyers showed up....
I think security is FUN.They are soooo serious and have such funny little patches on thier clothes |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Sep 08, 2002 - 06:17 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Rentacops suck dick. And they ARE sooooo serious...it's like LOOK dickwad, you aren't even authorised to carry a GUN.
*sigh* all I want to do is brainwash the masses and "enlighten" the children...I"m not allowed in petting zoo's anymore after explaining to a kid where chicken nuggets come from. He was like OOO it's so SMALL and i was like "where you think they get chicken nuggets from, kid".
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by Arthegarn on Sep 08, 2002 - 03:43 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | | Angry? Hey, not at all. Debating is not arguing and arguing is not fighting. And here in shmeng we love verbal brawls. It was really a good article. |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
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Children suck. I demand large portions. The only thing I like about kids is that when yoo eat one, it's mother isn't usually too far behind.
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Kids and Squids
by Monolycus on Sep 09, 2002 - 03:28 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | *LAUGHING!* Just about the time that I start to think that I am the most offensive person around! Anyway, I don't have a lot of sympathy for kids generally, either. Through no fault of their own, legislators made me absolutely hostile to them by using them to pass every stupid bill they could think of by chanting "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!" when they ran out of other propoganda to spew. I wanted to get a bumper sticker that said "TO HELL WITH THE CHILDREN", but now they are using terrorists in place of children, and I refuse to get a bumper sticker that says "TO HELL WITH THE TERRORISTS". I might just get one that says "TO HELL WITH THE AMERICAN IMPERIALIST RUNNING DOGS" surrounded by an American flag inside one of those red circles with the diagonal slash mark through it. But I digress.
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Re: Kids and Squids
by IamSquid (AAA@sockmonkeys.net) on Sep 10, 2002 - 02:30 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http:// | | Charming, offensive, they mean nothing to mee. Yor all just food as far as I'm concerned. So pretty please, with sugar on top, go SCUBA diving. |
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Re: Kids and Squids
by Monolycus on Sep 10, 2002 - 02:37 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | Sure, Squidlet. Did you want us to sit in a teriyaki marinade for a little while first?
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Re: Kids and Squids
by IamSquid (AAA@sockmonkeys.net) on Sep 10, 2002 - 02:48 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http:// | Ha the fuck ha! I know how it works, I eat people, people eat mee. I respect that but yoo gotta recogonise that I have yet to be eaten.
...um, I guess so have yoo. Crap. |
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Re: Kids and Squids
by Monolycus on Sep 10, 2002 - 02:35 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | Thanks, Ick. I'm somewhere between being relieved to hear this and encouraged to stop holding back my angry id as much as I do. *wink*
~M. |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by ThatOneWastedChick on Sep 09, 2002 - 06:34 PM
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Any suggestions?
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Being a teenager can be bizarre, wonderful, lonely, confusing, boring, overwhelming, sickening, pleasurable, saddening and everything in between all at the same time. Teens tend to take it out in irrational anger, angst, sex, drugs, alcohol, or verbalizing as well as many other ways. Shemng is not a place for this breed of venting. Yes, teen problems are 'shemng' too like all others, but the audience here seems not to want any part of it. They have listed their reasons why, so there is no question about that. However, where do they go to vent? To their drugs? To their angry sexual acts or drinking?
As I am aware, not many places harbor a nurturing environment for expression in the average teen life. Parents won't listen, teachers don't give a fuck, and their peers are worthless for meaningful answers because they are in the same boat usually.
I don't drink, I don't take drugs, or have sex, or have angry violent out bursts. Instead I sit on my problems. I can't solve them all the time nor change them, I just keep them inside. This makes me bitter, and I snap at people. People think I am angry and my mannerisms sometime confuse them, like I am attacking them in simple instances like when I say "Hello." to them. I don't feel this whole situation is healthy for me.
I bring this up because I have no place to vent. It seems this is true for many other teens here too. Shemng is not the place for this material, but does anyone have any easily accessible suggestions? "Shut up, take your problems somewhere else." isn't working out.
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Re: Any suggestions?
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Sep 10, 2002 - 08:40 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | See the deal is nobody is saying "shut up and take your problems elsewhere"...if it's put in a meaningfull, well thought out, and to the point article, then FABULOUS.
If it's incoherant whining, self aggrandising, and "woe is friggin me it's sooooo hard being me and nobody understands and it's soooo much harder for me than anybody in the world" then it's tired, overdone, and yes, nobody wants to hear it.
Most dont' wanna hear it because we've been there, done that, and are over it, and most advice asked for won't do a damn because they're not interested in fixing it, only the drama they feed on and the attention it brings them.
The don't listen, they wait for an opportunity to speak. Try finding a shoulder to cry on when you stop listening as much, stop feeding the drama, and all those that leaned on you with weepy eyes are nowhere to be seen...because like MOST (not ALL for the slow kids out there that like to pick whatever words they like that can make them angry so they get attention) teenagers nowadays, it's all about them...nobody else. The "ME" generation.
NOT all teenagers are like this. NOT all teenagers are whiny, self obsessed, drama-sucking fiends.
Teenagers are more than welcome to share their problems. You guys have brains, you guys can use them, you have lives and problems and can present them clearly with an open mind. Some DON'T.
For instant gratification and for shorter, non main post type bitching, there are the forums.
If it's a genuine problem, and they can write a paragrah that is clear to someone who doesn't know them and their gaggle of "friends" and the drama surrounding them, it'll get posted.
If it's typical self obsessed, whiny, angsty, unclear, incoherant and an assault to the brain, it won't get posted. Adults can be babies too, and their posts apply to the same standards.
You guys aren't being singled out. Not at all. |
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Re: Any suggestions?
by Sticupus (sticupus@hotmail.com) on Sep 10, 2002 - 09:03 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.obolisk.com | I agree, (most teen agers... fuck em!). But I am just leaning on Devin to finish TeenShmeng.com. That's right hint hint.... I was being vagure on purpose, but now I'm antsy....
(And I am personally not interested for my posts to end up there, but this teen angst needs to be canaled somewhere instead of the delete button or a callei/ickgirl multipost.) We need to nurture our kindergothen!!! One just private messaged me and it was depressing... But I am doing my part. |
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Re: Any suggestions?
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Sep 10, 2002 - 11:12 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Devin does moderation too, it's not all on callei and ick's shoulders...they just choose to do more with it, and don't have to be as "diplomatic".
Those multi posts have a reason...to discourage as much garbage as possible, to show others how NOT to write an article, as other instructional articles went right in one eyeball and out the other.
Also to give most of us an appreciation for what it is exactly they have to trudge through to bring you something interesting and readable.
We don't need a teenshmeng.com. Teenagers are welcome here, they post valid articles (such as this one and the suicide ala retarded boy obsessed girls and many others) and if they can't take it, there's livejournal for their lamentation. I can not imagine what a teenshmeng site would even begin to look like *shudder* I figure the best way for the fucked up kids to learn from experience and have a plethora (there's my big word for the day) of adults to learn from, as well as insight from their peers, it's to stick around here and listen, watch, and participate. I don't relish the idea of a site where they could wallow in their own self loathing....getting things off your chest is good and healthy and fantastic, but c'mon...picture it. A few intelligent and mature ones being hailed as a wailing wall for those others that want nothing but to dwell, swim, marinate in their drama while they could be appreciated and productive here, and the "less mature" ones could sort of learn by example or have their heads expanded on occasion.
It's kind of condesending, the idea (not that I think YOU are condescending at all, just trying "for the children") of a "kiddie" version....like a jymboree or a romperroom or inflatable bouncer castle in the parkinglot of a university or 21 and over club.
There's a lot of good kids out there, and luckily most of them have found their way here. Let's not limit them by suggesting they "go play"...and give the ones that need help a place where there are more people with experiences that could really really help them.
Jesus christ I sound like this place is the fucking internet mecca...in a way it is..but it's late and I have to wear off that metabolife I took today and my head's full of "insights". Bah, whatever :P |
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Re: Punks Take a Stand
by BlueVampyress on Sep 23, 2002 - 02:51 PM
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Though I am a teenager,I cannot stand whining.It is extremely boring.Everyone whines,I know.Most people also hate the whining..Teen whining,or adult whining.
There are many problems teenagers have,and ranting could make them feel better.Same with adults.
I agree with someone else that teenager whining could be annoying because of the spelling,or when they do not explain.I also agree with your last paragraph, ThatOneWastedChick.
But what I find really annoying about teenagers whining(some,not all) is how they start all this clique bashing.I see it all the time.*sigh*
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