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Devin on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 04:08 AM PST
I just had a random train of thought, and was curious what other people thought, since I've never heard anyone else talk about it. I don't know why, it seems obvious enuf. It's pretty clear to everybody that you inherit a lot of your patterns and issues from your parents. Parents are always trying to instill their values in their kids with varying levels of success. Most people also acknowledge that your astrological sign affects your personality and how you think to some degree. But what effect do parents astrological signs have on their kids?
My usual method of categorizing people is by astrological sign and DSM-IV diagnosis. (The DSM is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual - It's the Shrink's Bible). I've found it's a pretty good way of getting an idea of what someone's about. As good a way as anything else. You gotta admit it beats skin color and clothing. But I'm wondering if I'm missing something. (Well, I know I'm missing lots - but something related to my delusional Astroshrink theories).
My father is an Aries, and mother is a Libra, and I do notice I have a lot of Aries (boy) qualities, and I'm chill like a libra when I should be all obnoxiously loud since I'm a Leo. I have no Aries or Libra in my chart. I don't know why I never thought of this.
I'd prefer to keep Freud out of my theory since I really like Aries girls and most of my best female friends are Libras but I'm never attracted to them. (shuttup)
I guess this also begs the question of what effect the parent's DSM diagnosis on the kids but I'm more interested in the astrology part at the moment.
So what do you all think about what effects your parent's signs had on you - and if you're a parent, what effect your sign is having on your kids?
(For the record, ADHD Aquarius's make excellent fuckbuddies)
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Re: Developmental Astrology
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com)
on Mar 27, 2002 - 07:05 AM
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Well... My mom's an Aquarius, and my dad's a Gemeni... I was raised by my mom, never saw my dad til I was 20... but for some reason, I have more of his personality traits than those of my mom. (thank goodness) She's also on anti-seizure, anti-depressant, and anti-psychotic medications... they've diagnosed her with all kinds of stuff, the current favorite is bipolar disorder. it's a miracle I'm as well-adjusted as I am... sure it all probably affected me, not sure how I was affected by the astrological signs... I'm a Taurus, and a pretty by the book one at that (except for the jealousy thing... got my jealousy center removed when I discovered that it made no sense to have one) I think it's just that I didn't know my dad, and I tried to ignore my mom as much as possible...
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Re: Developmental Astrology
by Arthegarn on Mar 27, 2002 - 09:53 AM
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What effect could stars have had in my life? In the moment of my birth I was in a closed room so their light could not affect me. The EM fields of the equipment in the hospital were a couple of orders of magnitude bigger than those I received from the stars. The only way stars could have affected me at that time was through gravitational influence... and the fact is the gravitational influence of the obstetrician helping my mother was also three to ten orders of magnitude greater.
- Carl Sagan
I don’t believe in astrology, at least not in nowadays occidental astrology. It’s completely against my belief that man has a fate. If your personality, traits, likes and dislikes could be predicted from your birth instead of being developed through your life, that means that at least some of your future is written in the stars. I can’t believe in that. My experience with astrology tells me it is vague, generic and, when pressed to concretion, it has a failure range suspiciously familiar to sheer statistics. My astral chart does not begin to describe me (If you’re curious, Devin, I was born 13:30 of 26-04-74 in the Canary Islands, outskirts of Teide volcano, 27º38’N 16º50’W). so, I could not add anything to the subject that is not in Development Psychiatry books.
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Re: Developmental Astrology
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Mar 27, 2002 - 10:36 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | Well those stars and the seasons effected your mothers pregnancy(amount of sunlight that she got, blood flow to the skin, temperment, diseases that she faced, distress in extemes of weather {hot or cold}, foods available, and religous observances) so it must have effected you as well.
Also it has influenced when you started school, when you got your shots, how much sun you got in your first 6 months, the amount of 'brown fat' that you developed {this is the insulating fat that develops after birth and before 6 months as well} and a myriad of other things, includeing how other people treat you e.g. I better not make you mad, your a scorpio and will kill me, or so you are a gemini? can i date the sane one? or you are an auqarius? what are YOU doing in a science class?
hehehe, all parts of life are interrelated and interwoven, and it boils down to sex and death in the end. |
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Re: Developmental Astrology
by Devin (devin-at-vibechild-dot-com) on Mar 27, 2002 - 11:06 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://devin.vibechild.com/ | LOL @ "can I date the sane one?"
Oh yea - can tell you've been there...
I agree that the stars probably don't have much to do with a person's fate - but the traits of the signs are pretty hard to ignore - even in people who think a description someone wrote about how their sign is supposed to be is wrong.
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Re: Developmental Astrology
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Mar 27, 2002 - 11:36 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | | and after all its not abot FATE, its about personality traits and how you are more likely to deal with issues that come up in your life and how you are going to want to deal with those issues. |
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Re: Developmental Astrology
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com)
on Mar 27, 2002 - 10:25 AM
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My mom is a libra and my dad a Tarus, my stepmom an aries and my stpedad a sag. I got my stpe parents before puberty so I think they were formative to my development in a cranial hardwiring sense. Im a scorp, with libra, sag, taurus, and ares in my chart. Actually i have at least on of each in my chart scattered around like confetti.
im not a very good scorp; i dont seem to have that jelousy thing down yet, I dont hold grudges(except against my blood relations who seem happier if i do) and Im not that good at complicated lust. Im not even good at that mystery thing that is part of the scorp image.
But then my mom isnt very good at being a libra(except for being good at being a mom, she is more of a gemini in many ways), my dad isnt very good at being a taurus (other that liking to be married and have nice things. He blows up like an aries), my step mom isnt good at being an aries ( i have only seen her mad once in 20 years and she calmed very very slowly, more like a scorp) and my step dad isnt very good at being a sag (he like to garden, simple foods, and shows off like a leo).
I think that they taught me to decide what i wanted 'me' to be like, since they werent going to tell me what to be. Or rather they all told me, but they all told me something different so that i had to stop and think about it or go mad trying to be 19 different people. So they reinforced the researcher in my scorp-ness, and my need for privacy as well.
All my parents are also VERY strong personalities.
I have no clue really. Does this data help your theory?
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Re: Developmental Astrology
by DarkTigress on Mar 27, 2002 - 11:32 AM
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Well, I think it depend on a lot of things. I have been raised by my mother that is a Capricorn and my father (partly ay least) that is a Sagittarius... but what I know of I am the all-typical Libra (and some Gemini since it's my moon sign).
Maybe we all are out typical-sign as a basics... and perhaps we need some kind of "right enviroment" for it to show. I am not saying that if you are not as your sign you've had a bad enviroment when you grew up... don't get me wrong, please. I rather mean that maybe something has to "trigger" your sign qualities. Until then you'll be as you've been raised.
I dunno, maybe this makes no sence at all, so I'll write another time when my head's more clearer and I haven't been studied genetics and WW1 all evening... gahh
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Astrology = Bollocks
by gothvail (vail@gothicamateur.com)
on Mar 27, 2002 - 11:54 AM
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I realise a lot of people probably don't share this opinion, but I put no stock in astrology whatsoever. This comes from years of scientific experimentation which involved reading my horoscope and noticing that the things mentioned in it hardly ever happened and that the two newspapers we got each gave me a completely different wrong horoscope each day. Maybe there is some way in which the position of great balls of gas and fire etc... thousands of light years away affect my life, but I have never met someone able to read it for me in a helpful way.
In case anyone else cares and wants to have a go, I am a Libra, my father is an Aquarius and my mother is a Capricorn. I'll even throw in a couple freebies: My little sister is a Leo and my fabulous boyfriend is a Cancer.
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Re: Astrology = Bollocks
by Shade (Shade@Gothcult.com) on Mar 27, 2002 - 12:45 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.hotelshade.com | One particular theory/realization about the whole idea of astrology that was developed over many pots of coffee and the wee hours of the night is the simple fact that the stars have very little to do with astrology. They are a good starting point in that we can look up and see them, and over the span of a human lifetime they are pretty much in the same place(ish) on specific dates. But Astrology is a method of divination that uses those stars as a gestalt of the mind.
We have reverse engineered the workings of the human psyche and applied those realizations to the stars so that we can pass the knowledge down to the generations that come after us. Those who were born during the scorpio days of autumn are more prone to be passionate and yet reserved, contradiction in terms? Yes. Undenyably human? Abso-shmenging-lutely. The things that influence us at birth are way to myriad to be summed up by a simple lay-person, but we can look at a child and say hmm, s/he was born under these signs, and the vast majority of ithers born under this sign ahve these traits. Humourously enough those who don't display the traits of their primary astrological sign are often the least happy of the bunch, they are often found to be living the life someone told them to lead and not the life that their heart tells them to lead.
If this all sounds like rationalization for an inherantly flawed system of knowing then perhapsthis will help; (I'm a scorp so I'm using scorpio examples) scorpions actually lash out at the first sign of trouble, but scorpios are shown to be the sort to brood over an insult for a week and then kill your pet. Scorpions are an insect (Arachnid actually), an icky thing that crunches under your docs if you're not looking where you step in the desert. Scorpios on the other hand are shown to be passionate about all things. See any similarities? Nope? Neither do I; however, I do see that the originating astrologers took the symbols that sailors had created and added further symbology to those symbols so they had simple nemonics to remember the times of the year by.
I think that should have everyone thoroughly Confused by now so I'll stop. Oh, I'm a scorp, both my parents were born in June, Mydad before my mom I think so I think he's whatever the first sign is and My mom is the second. I spent much of my life rebelling against whatthe symbolized to me but now My mom is following her own dreams instead of kow-towing to my dad's and I can see more similarity between she and myself. I'd have to check and see whattheir signs are before I could say anything really meaningful about it though. |
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Re: Astrology = Bollocks
by Devin (devin-at-vibechild-dot-com) on Mar 27, 2002 - 01:54 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://devin.vibechild.com/ | Newspaper Horroscopes have very little to do with astrology. Maybe you should do another "Scientific Experiment" with valid data.
It also has very little to do with stars, as a few people have already mentioned. (At least the type we're talking about here - we're talking about categorizing people - not fortune telling).
Also, if you've never met someone able to read it for you in a helpful way, why not learn to read?
Looks to me like way too many people are writing off stuff they don't understand. How very un-goth. I'm very disappointed. |
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Re: Astrology = Bollocks
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com) on Mar 27, 2002 - 09:17 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | | send them to me for punishment because they don't want to believe in something? Not my style, and not against the rules.... if they want to believe, fine. If they don't want to believe, fine. (but people should look into everything in order to be able to make an opinion) Believe what you want and make an informed opinion. That's fair... |
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Re: Astrology = Bollocks
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Mar 27, 2002 - 10:40 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | | *sigh* there you go being all good and logical and loving again. ah well, i guess i'll have to amuse myself with some other daydream. *pictues Rogue, a bunch of bananas, and some lime jello* |
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Re: Astrology = Bollocks
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com) on Mar 28, 2002 - 06:08 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | Yeah, can't help it... random violence just isn't in my nature... course, if they *want* to be punished, I'm sure something can be arranged... :)
heh, I'd be interested in being a fly on the wall at the Rogue- bananas- jello party... you have such an imagination... :) |
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Re: Astrology = Bollocks
by Rogue (Rogue@skew.org) on Mar 28, 2002 - 09:46 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | | Okay, now I am blushing, intrigued, and making a shopping list all at the same time. You could always declare a crusade against someone, but that usually requires a violation of honour or blasphemy unto Devin. How about some currant jam in that party? |
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Re: Astrology = Bollocks
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Mar 28, 2002 - 02:46 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | *sigh* some typos never die.
currant jam is almost too good to use on anything other than a good butter pastry, but we can make an exception in this case im sure.
im just not sure how well it goes with lime jello....
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Re: Astrology = Bollocks
by gothvail (vail@gothicamateur.com) on Mar 27, 2002 - 03:42 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.gothicamateur.com | | I have just never been interested in it because I have never been able to see how it could tell me anything useful about me or my life. I have other ways of finding those things out. Astrology just never seemed important. |
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Re: Astrology = Bollocks
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com) on Mar 27, 2002 - 09:20 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | | It's terribly fun, though, and it's a very good way (usually, there are exceptions) of developing a personality profile on someone... |
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Re: Astrology = Bollocks
by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolf@hotmail.com) on Mar 29, 2002 - 09:36 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://Xaoswolf.tripod.com | | I just hope that the Cosmo horroscopes are a little better than the newspaper ones then. They said that I was a good match for Christina Ricci, and that's all the information I need to make me a believer. |
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Re: Developmental Astrology
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Mar 27, 2002 - 04:39 PM
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I don't put a whole hell of a lot of stock into astrology either...I find it interesting when it's right, and humorous when it's wrong. I like the thought of it, how someone put enough time and effort to think of it, and hell, the stars have been used since the dawn of man for everything from navigation to fate and worship. Stars are powerful in the human psyche...who doesn't feel insignificant or special (depending on your mood at the time) when looking up into the night sky. You can have the feeling you are all alone, about to fall off the face of the earth, or full of joy, either because you think that in this vast space of dark matter and vaccuum and gasses and flinging objects that you exist in spite of it, alone in it or not.
I've got a short attention span, and though I've delved into astrology (mostly when I was young and had no friends) and such, and I still do find the universe and it's influences (vaild or not) intreguing.
MY sign fits me to a T. Aries (as if you couldn't tell) but right on the cuttoff of Taurus....and lucky for the world I got the worst of both signs. Flamboyant, big of mouth, thick of head, charging headlong off a cliff and then getting pissed that it had the nerve to drop me on my ass in such an undiginified manner. Love hugely, hate whole heartedly, and take things by both horns (whether I like what I'm doing or know what I'm doing or not)
My father is an Aries (now THAT was a fun household) and my mother is a Scorpio. She's a wonderful lady, very nice, but can be exceedingly fake, has THE LOOK that simply WITHERS anything in it's path, holds a grudge like no tomorrow, and usually has the appearance of a still pond in a vaccuum with starving sharks under the water's surface.
As for dad....try growing up being a control freak being raised by a control freak. Both trying to control each other, each thinking they have the upperhand, each thinking they are right and the other is wrong, both unwilling to admit that they might be wrong. Preposterous, that thought is..preposterous...
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Re: Developmental Astrology
by Maranda (saboneta@aol.com)
on Mar 27, 2002 - 07:15 PM
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There is actually a whole science to this question.
It's called Synastric Astrology, and it involves the effects of the charts of those people around a person on the person's own chart. It can get verrrrryyyyy detailed. Not only are you looking at the sun sign, but you're also looking at the phases of a child's development as they correspond to the houses of the zodiac. Then you've got the parents' development as children as it has set the blueprint for their adult lives, and where their houses fall into their childrens'.
Of course, there are certain planets and aspects that highlight father issues (Saturn, Jupiter, Mars) or mother issues (Moon, Venus). Then there's the effect that the parents' charts have on each other, thrown on top of the child's chart at specific stages of development. Then there's each parent's effect on the child, and how that affects each's relationship with the other parent.
Did I mention siblings? Certain chart placements make the existence or non-existence of siblings much more of an issue than in other placements. And don't forget to look at the south lunar node (past life and pre-Saturn Return issues) of all involved, since this is what the child will be dealing with as he/she moves through the first stage of life. The parents' north nodes (adult goals, preparation for future lives) can fall on this in just such a way to be a major benefit or a major hindrance.
If you don't have a headache yet, let me continue: When two charts are analyzed together, the same mathematical process is used whether the people involved are parent/child, lovers, business partners, sworn enemies or two members of a rock band. The difference is in the stage of life and type of interactions analyzed. For instance, you don't need to know whether two business partners are sexually compatible, or what influence the lovers could have on each other if one were the other's parent.
The thing is that TWO charts have to be put together and looked at. EACH two. You can't mesh three, five, seven at a time. You do two at a time, in EVERY combination of two there is in the group, and then you spend a long long long time doing the interpretation. It often takes weeks.
This is why computer-generated horoscopes will never measure up to the work of a gifted astrologer. Most people who read Libra or Gemini in the newspaper and laugh at the simplification have no idea what real astrology is...and isn't. It's not about predicting the future or telling people what they want to hear. It's one way of examining obvious patterns in our world and thinking about them.
And it's a hell of a way to remember all the math you sort of learned in high school, but forgot. Mental discipline is a good thing.
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*Grunt grunt...oook oook oook*
by Dolorosa on Mar 27, 2002 - 11:06 PM
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Personally...I have no clue, I am a gorilla when it comes to astrology...although being an Aries myself (surprised anyone?) I know that Aries rock. As for parental signs, I think it just correlates to the time and people the babies are concieved with...other than that...*shrug and grunt* ugh?
PS. I loooooooooove Scorpios! Wheeee...
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Re: *Grunt grunt...oook oook oook*
by Schizo on Mar 31, 2002 - 12:36 PM
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Ok...I'll bite
by Kira (starchyld9@aol.com)
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Hmm...I've never been to a shrink before (well, not the conventional kind at least) so I don't know about the DSM-IV thing.
Both my parents are Gemini....Frustrating as a child, because sometimes I could get away with certain things that I thought I would definitely get in trouble for, and other times get in trouble for things that never would have crossed my mind as wrong. My younger sister is a Pieces.
I'm a Taurus bordering fairly close to being a Gemini (5/18), so perhaps the influence would be there anyway. I do have a taste for all things indulgent....chocolate, hot baths, cute girls, cute boys, drugs, sensual fabrics, food, drugs, etc. Luckily I know I have to watch myself, and I can almost always keep my indulgences well in check. I have to have social and intellectual interaction to feel sane. My best friends are Sagits, Libras, and Geminis.
So, does this mean anything to anyone? I don't eschew astrology, but I don't center my life around it either. But I *will* keep my eye out for above mentioned Aquarians. :)
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Re: Developmental Astrology
by Eris_Riot on Oct 16, 2002 - 03:57 PM
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Hmmmm...this is very interesting. My mom is a Pisces and my late dad was a Cancer.....I am way more like my dad. He was always laid back and calm about things, while my mom is a raving lunatic(no shit). I, myself, am a Libra....completely far off in outerspace on the Zodiac from my folks. I am beginning to wonder if maybe the Signs have nothing to do with how a child grows up. I say this in response to how incredibly psycho my brother( a Leo from HELL) is. He acts just like our mother, and when they are around each other it's "duck, cover, and run for the hills". Hmmmm...maybe Devin can enlighten me a bit on this mater.....???
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