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Articles: Banning Gay Marriage is NOT the Answer |
Posted by
Artesque on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 08:30 PM PST
Just recently, I was surfing the Internet looking for an article to write a Current Event on (homework!). I'd searched for article on different opinions of Gay Marriage, & I came upon a Conservative's website with an article titled, "Banning Gay Marriage is NOT the Answer", I was surprised, 'cause it was on a Conservative's website. And so I went ahead & read it. I was about to vomit all over the place, then roll around in my own vomit while throwing up even more.
The article, which I've lost the link for, was saying that, banning gay-marriage wasn't the answer, because they believe that Jesus wouldn't shun those people, he'd care & love them more & try to move them towards heterosexuality.
So, their intention was nice, I guess, but it's severely selfish. Humans aren't BORN homosexual, they either choose to be that way, or follow their heart rather than society's custom chain. These people, saying that they could change these people to be like them is parsimonious.
They don't want to ban gay-marriage, but, they want to terminate the homosexuality that is within people, those people. And they find their inspiration through Jesus. The same Jesus Christ, the one that over the centuries, his meaning, his definitions, & everything he stands for has been changed- changed to fit their own circumstances. He has become a tool, that people bend to fit their needs & customs.
I'm not a religious person, but I don't need an idol to tell me wrong from right. I don't think Jesus Christ would love & care extra, for homosexual individuals, to drag them into heterosexuality, I think he would love & accept them just like he does to everybody else.
Being homosexual doesn't make one a freak, abnormal, disgraceful, or ungrateful. It doesn't make you anything more or less than anyone else.
But, that's just my opinions. That's just what I think is right. Not all people need to accept homosexual individuals. But, if you have come to so easily accept people of different colours, stereotypes, cultures, genders, & races, then why should it be too hard to accept homosexuals?
They’re still human beings. They're still just like you & me. They're still like everybody else.
If those evangelical Christians preach that we should love each other, care for each other, & protect each other- despite what colour we are or what we believe in- because we're all God's children, then what makes Homosexuals any different?
But y'know, that's where they bend Jesus Christ again. Saying that he would teach those Homosexuals to become heterosexuals, because homosexuality wrong. Their only aliby is, "homosexuality is wrong, & that gay-marriage ruins the traditional marriage between men & women". THEY are the ones that say & think that, NOT Jesus. ...Then why do /they/ tell us, what Jesus would do? Because, THEY are the ones BEHIND Jesus’ body. Pretending & brainwashing. Jesus wouldn't do that.
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Re: Banning Gay Marriage is NOT the Answer
by gothicmorman (litty_klj@hotmail.com)
on Nov 29, 2005 - 09:43 PM
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Hm, that is kind of the same thing my mom says. She prays for gay people and accepts them into the church as children of christ because she says they are mislead and need healing to become whole again (aka striaght)
thus i don't listen to her very much. Also i don't tell her that i go both ways or that i have sex or that i get paid under the table but she found that one out anyway.
I figure to practice what they preach one should accept them and love them even if you don't believe in the same thing as them. or ignore them and go on living ones own life. as long as they are not trying to burn anyone at the stake what does it matterwhat they think is wrong or right...
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Re: Banning Gay Marriage is NOT the Answer
by feralucce (feralucce@wayoutonthecorner.com)
on Nov 29, 2005 - 10:30 PM
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you said "Humans aren't BORN homosexual, they either choose to be that way, or follow their heart rather than society's custom chain."
Not to be combative, but I have several gay friends... CLOSE TO ME... and a brother that is homosexual... You ARE born with sexuality wired in... your sexuality is not a choice... it just is... NOW... whether you act on it... IS a choice...
Also... if you read the religious texts that they hide behind, you will find that they are correct (ACCORDING TO THE BOOK)... even if they do not know where it says, or what it says, the bible itself calls homosexuality an abomination, and in several palces it states they should be stoned, in othesr burned...
What makes this odd is there is no mention of two women... evidently there were no lesbians before 1960... it only cites two men... reguardless....
What would jesus do? Take a good look at his actions, especially in the apocrypha. The christ figure was, fully, human... he had hatred and fear, just like us...
In most of the parables, he did not teach compassion, but a lack of hypocrisy...
For instance... "we caught this woman in the act of adultery" (takes two) he replied with "Let those of you not caught in THIS sin, cast the first stone."
My point is, and this is one I have made before. The work Christian means, litereally, "Little Christ." The people you describe, are not christian... anyone who would label themselves (with a couple notable exceptions taht I know of *winks into the shmeng shadows*) cannot possibly be.
Rest assured, that as the aged lawmakers fade, so do their way of belief, and the world will become a better place for it.
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Re: Banning Gay Marriage is NOT the Answer
by Schizo (Aranea@Spidersdance.com)
on Nov 30, 2005 - 02:21 AM
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Funny, isn't it, how fixated some Christians are on the sexual sins. They're so much more interesting than the boring old sins of gluttony, pride, or dishonesty. Or eating shellfish. Yeah. Eating shellfish is a sin, too.
The only sins Jesus Christ really seemed to care about were spiritual arrogance and spiritual half-heartedness. Even the woman caught in adultery - he said "go and sin no more", but adultery, though it involves sex, is actually a sin of dishonesty. Pretending to be a fathful spouse when you are not - just as the denounced Pharisees pretended to be better off spiritually than everyone else when they were not.
Of course, homosexuality is a hot topic right now. Gays are standing up for themselves, and saying that they are not ashamed of themselves, and others should not see them as shameful. It's kind of been shoved in the Christians' faces. Kind of hard to ignore. Kind of like it's going to be when we all come out of the closet about eating shellfish... oh wait...
Personally, if I were still a Christian, I would be more worried about being a modern day Pharisee, trying to tell other people what they should or should not do to be acceptable in God's eyes, and trying to prove how holy I am. I would much rather be the adulteress - or homosexual. I would rather have Jesus save my life than tell me I was a race of vipers descended from my father, the devil.
But then again, I'm not a Christian, which is why I eat shellfish, and daydream about someday having time to find a girlfriend (my husband says it's OK with him, but hell, I'm too busy for what I've already got, so why add more?) And it's also why I don't concern myself with opinions of what other people should be doing with their lives when it isn't hurting me.
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Cutting Off Our Noses
by Monolycus on Dec 01, 2005 - 04:06 PM
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Yes, it's me chiming in, so those of you with more experience hearing from me and more delicate viscera might want to save yourself some time and stop reading this now. As some of my closer compadrés are (no doubt) tired of hearing me say, our attitudes have wide ranging (and often unanticipated) consequences. This gets convoluted, so you'll have to bear with me.
Delphi and GM are running into problems and released several thousand employees into the growing (yet forgotten) ranks of the unemployed. Why did they have to do this when the economy is so weak anyway? Well, without hyperlinking my sources here (which seems to break forums, I've found), they say they simply can't compete with foreign automaking corporations (mostly Japanese and Korean companies). The reason for this is two-fold: They can't afford to pay worker benefits/pension packages because, unlike foreign companies, Americans do not buy smaller, more efficient cars. What they fail to mention in this equation is that Japanese and Korean companies do not NEED to pay worker benefits packages because they have national health care systems.
So... because Americans would rather spend huge sums of money on our military ( to harm people we don't like) than spend it on taking care of people we DO like, and because we are gluttonous pigs who can't shake off our need to show off our consumption in front of our neighbours, we have basically cut our own economic wrists. With the increase in unemployment, we now need a national health care system more than we already did (since more people are unemployed) and have made it harder for taxpayers to fund it (since more people are unemployed).
All of this could have been avoided if we weren't so damned hateful and believed it was more important to spend our money on HURTING others that we don't like (dropping bombs on "enemies"and showing off to the neighbours how much bigger a car we can afford) than HELPING people we do like (letting sick people see the inside of a hospital every now and again).
So what does any of this have to do with gay marriage? Well, it's more of the same, really. We (the majority here... don't get defensive) don't want people we don't like (gays, in this case) to have the same benefits of people we do like (heterosexuals, in this case). What benefits are we depriving them of by not legally recognising their relationships? They can still live together and have sex, so all we are really keeping them from doing is benefitting from one or the other's insurance. This creates more people who can not see the inside of a hospital and, subsequently, means more sick people who can not afford to pay taxes. This further weakens the economy.
Now, if we had a national health care system in place, people could live with each other, sleep with whomever they wanted, and not worry about insurance benefits. In this case, it would not matter if we allowed gays to marry or banned marriage for heterosexuals. People would still form the relationships they always have and it's none of the State's business who's hooking up with whom. But we can't have that because it is more important to us to hurt people we don't like than help people we do.
I don't think gay marriage is the larger issue... I think our self-destructive hatefulness is. Hurting our "enemies" (gays, in this case) hurts all of us. And yet we can't drop our hatefulness even if we know full well that our hatefulness is making even our loved ones suffer.
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Re: Banning people who sat banning Gay Marriage is NOT the Answer is not the answer
by Arthegarn on Dec 19, 2005 - 08:22 AM
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OK, let’s begin with the beginning.
So we have these people who believe homosexuality is a disease and treat homosexuals like sick people. We also have the fact that these people treat sick people kindly.
So what’s the problem?
Sorry, Artesque, but I can’t see it. Everybody is entitled to an opinion as long as they don’t try to force their opinion into other people. They are not mistreating anybody, hurting or harming. What’s wrong? They have a different set of values and beliefs and to them is just as obvious that homosexuality is a disease as to you that it’s not. Why does a system of beliefs that leads these people to treat homosexuals kindly make you sick? I guarantee you all those people who think I am going straight to hell because I am a Roman Catholic and would like to see me embracing the One True Faith (meaning theirs) don’t make me sick, Actually I thank their kindness, their good intentions, and the fact that they keep to their businesses and let me keep to mine.
If you think that homosexuality is a disease there can be no arguing that Jesus would have loved them and tried to heal them. He loved ant tried to help sock people. I can’t see why is that idea revolting.
I don’t understand why is it selfish to wish that sick people heal and recover. If you really think homosexuality is a disease, hoping gays to become straight is the good thing to do, and hoping them to remain sick is the evil thing to do. Period
You say humans are not born homosexual. False. While it is true that not all gays were born gays, it is not true that no gay was born gay. There are three basic reasons why a person develops homosexual behaviours: 1) That person has natural (meaning genetic) homosexual tendencies (meaning that has genetic characteristics, be them inherited or the result of a mutation, that makes that person feel sexually attracted to members of the person’s same sex instead of the opposite) 2) Being a genetic heterosexual, that person has willingly decided to go over hir natural inclinations and develop a homosexual conduct, be it occasional or permanent. 3) Being a genetic heterosexual, that person has suffered any of a number of possible traumas that have made him develop, unwillingly or unknowingly, a homosexual tendency. Any of the true sources is possible for any given case; trying to say that any one of these explanations explains all cases is an oversimplification that leads to an oversimplified (=often wrong) behaviour.
So, with all due respect, I believe your idea about all homosexiuals “chosing to be that way” or “following their hearts” is wrong as often as not.
When homosexual conduct is the result of a trauma, as stated in 3), the person displaying a homosexual conduct does not do so willingly nor as an act of freedom. These people could, and should, be restored to their own, natural, free selves so that they can later make a free choice about their sexuality. Just as all genetic homosexuals who deny themselves their condition and force themselves to act as heterosexuals, meaning they exhibit a “straight” behaviour out of a different kind of trauma, one much more frequent than the one we are discussing, should first be brought to accept theiir natural tendencies so then, knowingly and willingly, they can make a similar choice.
I am a religious person. I need God to tell me the difference between right and wrong because God literally wrote the book on right and wrong. Of course, that doesn’t mean that I am a bloody idiot that lets some other bloody idiot tell him what he says God says is right or wrong. Including St. Paul. You don’t think Jesus would “love & care extra, for homosexual individuals, to drag them into heterosexuality”? That’s fine with me. You think Jesus “would love & accept them just like he does to everybody else”? That’s fine with me too. If I don’t find your beliefs, no matter how different from mine, revolting, why do you feel others’ to be so? .
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Re: Banning Gay Marriage is NOT the Answer
by callei on Jan 17, 2006 - 08:03 AM
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there is an interesting and unspoken part to this arguement. in a western marriage ( i cannot speak to Asian or Hindu marriages on this point) when a man and a woman get married, his sperm becomes her property and the property of the state, in that the laws state that it can only be used in the attempt to procreate. His sperm, like his wallet and her bed are no longer private property, but in fact change hands during the wedding vows.
What does this have to do with gay marriage? in the case of two men, who owns the sperm? in the case of two women, where does the sperm come from?
remember marriage, in a state sanctioned sense, is only a means of handling property in the present and in the furture (keeping the kids from killing each other for the farm). Marriage, in itself, is not about "love" but about business, commerce, and contracts.
that is what i find funny about the gay marriage arguemnt; the fact that they are fighting for the legal, state sanctioned business contract that is a loveless marriage because they love each other. I love the irony.
That said, i think anyone that wants to get married, providing they understand what it really is, should be able to get married. I think as well that we, as a people and a governement, should recognize more than four states of union (single, dating, engaged, and married) like living together but not heading for a binding contract, having a binding contract but dont want to share a bed, in deep lust but have no other significant feelings or use for each other, temporarily united for the sake of a child, a parent, a state of war etc.
But then I think everyone should take a classing in how to be human too, so what do i know?
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