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Articles: The Crazy Makers
Posted by bettie_x on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 04:01 AM PST

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I've been meaning to check out this book called "the Crazymakers" (I'll get back to you with the author's name)...

I listened to the interview with the woman who wrote it on art bell over a couple years ago (rebroadcast a few nights ago), and I was absolutely rapt.

Here's the basic idea...the food we eat are driving us crazy, little by little, by chemically damaging our brains.
Did you know that there are chemical plants that specifically re create the "flavors" of the things we eat, because after all the processing it goes through, it either tastes bad, or has no taste at all, so they have to REINTRODUCE the chemically devised flavor of the item that was stripped of it in the first place? Hamburger flavor, PICKLE flavor, CHEESE flavor...yummy, huh?
The mass amounts of meat and dairy (and byproducts) that Americans consume yearly are literally destroying our brains?

Okay, take this example.
A human baby drinks human milk during infancy. Because of this, the child is absorbing the human hormones, human antibodies, and human nourishment it needs to grow into a human child.
Then the child drinks bovine milk, given by a health concerned mother...children need milk, don't they? Not after infancy they don't...Humans are the only species on earth that continues to drink milk after infancy, let alone the milk of another species.

Bovine milk is meant for bovine calves. It contains bovine growth hormones, bovine antibodies, and bovine nourishment to grow a baby cow into an adolescent cow. You give this to your child?

Mother's milk is nature's super formula. It contains everything an infant mammal needs, genetically and nutritionally, to grow into whatever mammal it's supposed to be. Where is the logic in giving a biological fluid designed by nature to grow a baby cow to a still developing human child?

Meat is also the same...it contains built up hormones and fats that are a part of the cow (duh, I know) and the meat is saturated with the cow's biological makeup. YES, I will admit that humans are omnivores by nature, but as migrating species, meat was a luxury, not a necessity. It was not consumed in the frightening quantities that it is nowadays by the American public, hence was sometimes necessary to survival, and since it wasn't eaten regularly it caused little harm.

Plus the meat eaten by these primitive ancestors was not genetically mutated to be nothing but a walking food source, such as are most of today's "livestock".

The author suggested with much conviction that our gluttonous diet of animal products is a major contributor to the outrageous peak in dangerous child obesity, behavioral disorders, physical disorders, mental illnesses, and mental disease.
She spoke of these "societal" problems as a result of human children receiving mass quantities of non-human growth hormones, antibodies, and genetic components through mass-produced animal products.

Parents are under the misconception that children NEED cow's milk and that it's the only source of calcium, which is a falsity. One cup of any green vegetable such as broccoli, brussel sprouts, asparagus etc. has more calcium than a glass of cow's milk, and contains none of the natural hormones, antibodies, excess body fluids, and fat.

People think of bovine growth hormone as a human made concoction pumped into cows to make them produce more milk, not as a naturally being contained in milk designed to grow calves, not human children.

I'm going to go find this book, read and read it thoroughly. Everything posted here was from memory after listening to a rebroadcast of the interview on Art Bell's "coast to coast AM" radio show.

Let me know what you think...is this woman full of crap or do you feel there just may be something to this? And this isn't another bettie_x vegan tirade, this is genuinely interesting to me and poses a lot of questions...the main one of course being that is our food really driving us mad?

I think there's a lot to this.... even if it can only be tied to the rising rates of child obesity. If you don't think kids are getting dangerously fat, dangerously young, you've not spent a summer vacation in Disneyland



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Re: The Crazy Makers
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com)
on Jul 15, 2002 - 06:21 AM
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I agree, bettie. The got milk? commercials are as brainwashing as the truth ads... Milk is very bad for you... and when I took my kids to the doctor for a checkup, and she was asking me what I feed my kids, she specifically asked how much milk they drank during the day. I was going through a phase where I only used powdered milk for cooking, and told her that they don't drink milk cause milk is bad for you... she got really upset and told me I HAD to start giving my kids milk. Had to?? Can a doctor tell you what you can and cannot feed your kids? It seems so... I made up a fake list of things we eat based on the FDA accepted pyramid, just so I wouldn't get a lecture the next time I take the kids to the doctor. The thing is, I believe the FDA and other organizations KNOW what is bad for you, and try to get you to eat it so you will be stupid and docile and easily controlled. As far as the meat thing goes, I think that the only thing wrong with meat is the fact that people have messed with it... pumping it full of nasty stuff that isn't good for anybody. I think if we look at an all-natural diet, we see that our ancestors ate what they could pick off the trees or out of the ground, and meat, when they could run across it. Grains on the other hand are bad. They're not easily digested, they are a cause of diabetes, Celiac, and other disorders. I think you can tell what is supposed to be eaten by watching how kids eat. My kids would live all day on fruit, and graze on fruit much of the day... they like raw veggies, not cooked. They like nuts. They like meat. They don't like milk, or noodles or rice, or cooked veggies...
And another thing: food dyes. How do some of these even get into food??? You would think the FDA would not ALLOW poison to be added to CHILDREN'S DRINKS!!! But they do. Kool-Aid is full of lake dye, a dye so strong, they use it to dye lakes. It's made from aluminum, and aluminum causes altzheimer's and possibly ADHD. Look around this stuff is everywhere. They just started putting it in M&M's... and that pisses me off. There's a noticable difference in my kids' behaviour if they eat anything with lake dye in it. There's no wonder so many children have to be drugged just so they can sit still during class, lake dye could have been in the juice they had for breakfast that morning. Grrr....

Anyway, I know what you mean about the fatness of kids in the US, but I think that's mostly due to high fat, high sugar convenience foods. Most of those kids drink pop every day, snack on chips and candy, eat fast food, and don't touch fruits or veggies. The only time these kids have milk is in high fat ice cream, or with sugary chocolate drink mix in it, or as cheese on their burger or pizza. If they had a more natural diet, I'm sure they would be lean and healthy. I think I'll check out that book too, it sounds very interesting... and I wonder if she has any ideas on how to eat anything in this day and age of genetically engineered crops and packaged foods.


Re: The Crazy Makers
by DarkMistress on Jul 15, 2002 - 08:24 AM
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I want to read this book. I'm a health nut and I'm only in middle school. I don't eat meat but everyone else loves it. I eat pizza on occasion but I do like fruits and veggies, and I don't like milk. Basically, kids are getting fed the wrong food. Their parents stock up on all the artificial junk and they just consume it all day long, and get no exercise afterward. I grow my own veggies, well actually right now I've only grown tomatoes but since they were a success I feel a little more adventurous about it. My mom only buys stuff thats good for you, and the stuff like cake and cookies has to be made and she's not that much of a baker. Her cookies will break your teeth. As far as I'm concerend, the FDA is just a bunch of morons. They even brought japanese beetles into our country to get rid of aphids when we have our own ladybugs that will do the job. Therefore, they should be ignored. I don't drink pop, on occasion I drink milk, but mostly it's water. I think people need to be a little more careful about what they let their kids eat, and to monitor how much they take in. That might help when it comes to child obesity, instead of having parents who don't give a damn.


Re: The Crazy Makers
by IamSquid (AAA@sockmonkeys.net)
on Jul 15, 2002 - 11:14 AM
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ah, Bettie, why aren't all the Satanists I know like yoo?
I have been a vegetarian (with the exception of people, to break the seriousness) for 8 years and have dozens of reasons for being a vegetarian.

My major reason is that I don't like the taste but pulling in a close 2nd is the fact that there's nothing natural about it. The human colon is shaped how a herbavore's colon would be. In addition I am against the farming, drugging, and slaughtering of animals (although not hunting out of neccesity because that IS natural). Thus I have less of a problem with people eating fish because fish aren't farmed.

The one I like to use most when people piss mee off is that in ancient cultures one ate plants to gain it's properties and animals to gain their attributes. Thus if yoo respected a deer and wanted to be fast and agile like a deer, yoo would eat a deer. So look what meat Americans are eating: Mostly cows and pigs! So people are growing fatter and stupider and allowing themselves to be hearded like lambs (another "edible" meat). "Yoo are what yoo eat" is not bullshit.

And damn that Art Bell, he has too many interesting guests. If only I could read as quickly as he has shows.


Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Jul 15, 2002 - 07:13 PM
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Oh I totaly agree that it's junk food too. Parents want convenience, portability, and have it taste so good their kids shut up for a few minutes. My mother on occasion, who is a nurse, posts things on the fridge for me when I come home to visit...articles that say that veggie/veganism don't give you all the things that a omnivorous diet do...and circles key amino acides, vitamins, and such that "aren't in anything but meat".
All of it's bogus, as i point out, and tell her the things I eat the supply those components. She rolls her eyes and says "If you're suuure...."
The government will never EVER support even vegetarianism...because of the money tied in the meat and dairy and poultry industry. Remember when oprah did a special on mad cow disease and suggested that maybe vegetarianism was the way to go, looking better and safer in light of things.
EVERYONE pitched a FIT! The meat industry SUED HER FOR DEFAMATION! When all she was doing was suggesting that maybe meat wasn't the way to go anymore, just to be safe.
SUED HER FOR DEFAMATION because of an opinion!
Whatever makes food cheap, easy, and appealing will always override the necessity for clean good food and public saftey. They keep us busy and placated worrying with mad cow, additional hormones, and nice, clean happy pictures of cows in pastures, who WANT to be milked non stop by a mechanical farmer brown....who wiggle their noses and HAPPILY become healthy american hamburgers...
The food industry is a mess. As soon as I move, I"m growing a GARDEN.
And keep researching the products I buy.
That's all you can really do.


War, Death, Pestilence, Famine and Hangnails.
by Anonymous-Coward on Jul 15, 2002 - 08:15 PM
One has to be careful about internalising a lot of the hysteria of the moment... every few months somebody comes out with a new book or a new study that gets some attention for a short bit, but a great deal of it is based upon some abysmally bad science. The milk furor, for one example, is still being batted around by people who feel on the one side that it is manufactured in Hell itself and on the other that it is like manna for our bodies. A middle-of-the-road perspective is probably the best approach... especially when a lot of the hysteria tends to be based upon a single non-clinical study. Before jumping on the bandwagon, it would be a good idea to look at the data behind the conclusion... and before looking at that data, to brush up on basic statistics and the scientific method. A lot of these prejudices against this or that product turn out not only to be silly and groundless, but distract us from addressing real problems.

Of course, I am as susceptible to the hysteria as anyone which is why I have not voluntarily consumed tap water in nearly ten years. In some places in eastern rural India, people overdose and die because the ground water has 14 parts per million of sodium flouride in it... but this does not stop us from introducing 12 parts per million of sodium flouride waste into our drinking water on the (ostensible) grounds that it is good for our teeth. People laugh about the ancient Romans for using so much lead in their eating utensils, but it does not occur to them that stopping at the water fountain in this society is every bit as damaging to higher cognitive processes.

Clinical studies or no clinical studies, what we do to our own bodies is absolutely nothing compared to how we devastate the environment with introduced chemicals and genetic modifications. Because maize is air-pollinated (and based upon a legal precedent that was set earlier this year), the Monsanto corporation will own all of it in a very few short years. And kiss your butterflies goodbye, the Round-Up doesn't exclude beneficial insects. Probably a lost cause to worry about it, though. The PCBs that Monsanto and Dow have been pumping into the ground water would have gotten them eventually anyway. I often wonder if the chemical/pharmaceutical industries do not have the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse on the board of directors.


Re: The Crazy Makers
by Willow on Jul 15, 2002 - 09:00 PM
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Wow. I must say that all of this is very new to me. I never pay attention to what I eat and I eat most of that stuff every day. ::shivers:: I am definately going to watch what I eat from now on because, to be quite honest, this sort of worries me. Thank you for posting that information. I'm going to look into this a little further.

¤Willow¤


Re: The Crazy Makers
by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolf@hotmail.com)
on Jul 16, 2002 - 08:30 AM
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Well, sorry to say this, but I like steak. There is just nothing better than a big thick(at least an inch, preferably 2) juicy almost raw slab of beef.
On another note, raw chicken is bad, don't eat lots of improperly cooked chicken then expect to go out drinking. It doesn't work out too good. Of course if you're already drunk, then go ahead and eat the raw chicken, the alcohol in your system will kill all the bad stuff before it can get to you.


You are what you eat...
by Dolorosa on Jul 17, 2002 - 12:14 AM
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Crap...I'm gonna' grow up into a Taco...god knows what they put in there...
Cannibalism is looking better and better every day...
Interesting idea...Now I want to experiment with my own children...I'll feed them a mixture of Platypus and Musk Oxen milk...in the end creating a super-fucked-up-smelly-duck-thing...
Man, I wish my parents gave me food that would make me go crazy when I...got...older...
*scritch scritch* Fricken' pixie sticks...


Re: The Crazy Makers
by MorteAscendo on Jul 17, 2002 - 04:21 AM
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Damn Bettie i tell you what. I drink apple juice...and i mean ALOT. It is a staple in my book. If you could find if apple juice is bad lemme know. But i think from what you said explains why im so messed up. When i was a baby and my mom tried to feed me, i used to bite her. So after awhile my mother stopped and fed me formula and what not. Is there a good amount of cow milk in that...cause that sure would explain my HOOOVES!! MOO!

kidding...but good story non the less...makes you think...something some people should do more offen.


Re: The Crazy Makers
by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com)
on Jul 17, 2002 - 05:53 AM
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It seems somehow backwards to me that people who usually watch their diets closely also like to breath smoke laced with carcinogens into their lungs permenantely inundating themselves with tar, noxious gases and ash.

When was the last time you ran the mile in 4 minutes or less?


Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Jul 21, 2002 - 02:01 AM
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SOoooooooooo does anyone out there have anything they'd like to add to this? Don't be bothered by the garbage at the bottom, it's just the same crap, different post.
Do you really think that the food we eat (not just animal products) are driving our kids mad? With learning disorders and behavioral disorders and the doctors dealing out meds faster than a meth lab in auburn, doesn't it make your eyebrows go north?
Everything from cheetos to mcdonals and genetically engineered crops....c'mon kids, I know you have an opinion.

~ and for the record I don't hate meat eaters! SO THERE.


Re: The Crazy Makers
by forthemoment on Jul 23, 2002 - 07:52 PM
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Something that really bugs me is the fat and how high in calories food is. It can make a fat person very suicidal. It's sad how necessary yet dangerous food is. Not that I agree with this book, but it's true...


Re: The Crazy Makers
by Stille (Stille@fuckingwicked.com)
on Nov 20, 2004 - 03:56 AM
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Bettie, are you sure that BOVINE growth hormones can affect HUMAN beings? I mean, we're talking different species.

And it's not the dairy that makes kids fat, I'd weigh 400 pounds if it did, considering my diet contains huge amounts of dairy. It's the fast food. And the tons of sweets. And the lack of exercise. If all a kid does is sit and watch TV while munchin' donuts, of course he'll put on weight fast.


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