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Articles: Alternatives to Murder?
Posted by Danielle on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 04:07 PM PST

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Is killing someone wrong? What if you are protecting someone? Is it still wrong? What other options are there? I know most people are thinking why the hell am I asking this question. Maybe I'm just mad (insane, angry or both). Well, that's part of it. I think. I try to be a pacifist and most of the time I am unless I see some sort of injustice. Well, I have to see this injustice every weekend. My parents argue. They fight terribly and I can't stand it. I hate to see my mother treated like dirt by a person who by all reasoning should still be dragging his knuckles and grunting to communicate. Yes, these are my real parents (as far as I know). He isn't my step dad. He treats me like shit but hey I think he is just insane. Well, back to my question. Is murder wrong? No, I'm not going to kill him. I would love to use him for target practice but he isn't worth me being put in jail. But wouldn't you want to kill somebody like that. Wouldn't you want to protect the ones you love from a person like that. He isn't very patient. We aren't allowed to speak when he is angry. We aren't allowed to speak our minds. He says we are but if we say something that is wrong in his eyes we must shut up. If not I (because it is usually me that doesn't shut up) will suffer the consequences. He hasn't hit me in a while but I have a 10 year old sister and a sick mother. I love them both dearly.

I'm also 18 years old and by law I'm an adult. I can move out and I would love too but I can't. I don't want to leave my mother or my sister there. Neither of them are strong enough to defend theme selves. lf ever my father wishes to lash out and one of them decides to speak. I would love for my mother to leave him but she won't. She won't listen to me and my 22 year old sister says nothings wrong (apparently she's forgotten how he is since she moved out). I know that killing is wrong. Taking someone's life is wrong. I would never do that. I want to protect my Mom and sister but how. How do you persuade someone to leave someone? She says he's just angry stay out of his way. Why is she so stupid? Why doesn't she see who he is? I don't know why I'm writing this. Maybe just to vent my anger and frustration. If anyone has gone through this situation or just has suggestions please make them.

Thanks


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In the Kitchen, with the Butterknife.
by Dolorosa on Jun 13, 2002 - 07:10 PM
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Alright...my opinion on this is truly not right (Clinically now) but still. If you do...make sure you don't get caught. Police, investigators and FBI make their livings tracking down stupid killers. So if you do...make sure you do it right, and the key is VACATE IMMEDIATLY. Now with that in mind, you'll have to leave your mother and sister...or you will get caught and thrown in jail, or worse depending on where you are. And that wouldn't solve anything.
My honest advice...If it looks like the only answers are A and B...then C is just being a lil' difficult to find. Step back, reevaluate your situation. and try and make a wise decision.
I'm still coughing up sea water from a poor one.


Re: Alternatives to Murder?
by nocta on Jun 13, 2002 - 10:31 PM
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I believe that learning is why we are alive, so I think it is wrong to kill other living things because it prevents them from learning. However, if somebody pushes you to the point of killing them in self-defense, I think that they have forfeited their right to learn and it's forgivable (not okay, mind you) that you caused their death.

I always say that staying with someone for the sake of the kids is not necessarily the best thing for the kids, or indeed anyone. Looks to me like your father needs to be left with nothing but a restraining order to remember you guys by. If there is a way that you could move out with your mom and sister, I'd say go for it.

On a lighter note, one good thing that will come from your situation is that you and your sister will be able to identify bad situations and (hopefully) be strong enough to get out of them.


Re: Alternatives to Murder?
by IamSquid (AAA@sockmonkeys.net)
on Jun 14, 2002 - 12:00 AM
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I really sympathize. I haven't spoken to my father in 5 years for similar reasons to yors. He used to beat my mom and I up (never my sister though, nor mee once I hit puberty and became interested in martial arts).

I thought long and hard about that question and I can tell yoo the answer has everything to do with what yoo really believe is right. It sounds to mee like yoo don't want to and therefor SHOULD NOT do it. What I mean is, if yoo are not 100% ready to accept the consequences then yoo don't have the passion that is required and doing it would only destroy yoo.

If I might suggest an alternitive, rather than killing him, teach him a lesson. This normally requires no breaking of laws but alot of strategy. And when I say teach him a lesson I mean set him up in such a way that he actually learns beating-up his wife and kids is wrong. Think of cheesy Hollywood plots where the asshole leans to be nice to people. This is actually good karma rather than karma that could ruin yoo.


Re: Alternatives to Murder?
by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolf@hotmail.com)
on Jun 14, 2002 - 11:41 AM
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Never understimate the power of the hidden laxitive. Give the guy chronic diarhea(I can't spell worth shit, no pun intended). He can't hit what isn't within arms reach of the toilet.
There is also the police, if you feel threatened, call them.
If all else fails, get him to break his leg somehow, then when he is chair bound, walk around with a bat, preferebly a big one, and anytime he tries anything, poke him with it and tell him to shut up. If that don't work, whack him in the broken leg. The more he is abusive, the longer he stays in the chair due to his mysteriously non healing leg. By the time that he finally gets back to walking, he may be ready to calm down.


Re: Alternatives to Murder?
by Danielle on Jun 14, 2002 - 03:29 PM
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I would like to thank you for your comments they really helped. I know i would never do anything such as killing the thing I was hoping for was alternatives to it. Thanks abunch everyone.


Re: Alternatives to Murder?
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Jun 14, 2002 - 11:55 PM
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I"m going to have to reiterate what devin said....tell EVERYONE. EVERYONE your father knows (hoping all his idiot friends aren't wifebeaters either...worst case scenario is "your dad hits his wife too? HIGH FIVE!")
If you have younger siblings in the house, you can make an anonymous call to child protective services, and then "crack" under their scrutiny and get his ass in a lot of trouble, and your mom to the help she may not want, but needs.
On the other hand, you can get a good job and move out, and OFFER to take your younger sibling(s) off thier hands....if your mother, tho you love her, chooses to remain, then it's her choice. A poor one, but her choice. You can't help someone who doesn't want it, but you can help those who can't help or escape themselves (ie: minors).
Your sister may not have "forgotten"...just chosen to bury the abuse. Some people bury it, some people marinate in it, and some people overcome it.
I like the laxative idea, not being able to hit anything within arm's reach of the can...I DO like that one.
And the leg thing. OOO do that and force him to watch "misery" by stephen king over and over and over....and dress up like kathy bates. Mind games, girl, mind games.
If worse comes to worse, get yourself out. You can always work better when you're not neck deep in the muck. Always attack from the outside. Where you're safe. Launching bombs at a prison is easier than digging yourself to saftey with a smuggled spoon.


Re: Alternatives to Murder?
by oohp (oohp@gotik.nu)
on Jun 15, 2002 - 01:04 AM
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Hmm murder sucks. I'd rather get out of the damn house like your sister did and wish that I could one day support my mother somehow. Obviously in most countries there are laws against domestic viloence, and jail can really help. Men usually get their ass kicked in jail and your dad could use that sort of education.


Re: Alternatives to Murder?
by PrismKat (prism7cat@hotmail.com)
on Jun 15, 2002 - 03:17 PM
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wow, this is familiar.. my mom brother and me left my dad (abusive.. fellow.) three years ago. all the things i can think of have already been mentioned so i won't bother repeating it, I just want to wish you good luck and if you do end up killing him come to either seattle or new orleans and we'll (my family) help you out.


Re: Alternatives to Murder?
by MorteAscendo on Jun 15, 2002 - 11:50 PM
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It's called the desert. Pretend to go camping in the desert, wack'em, bury them. Badda BING!!


Re: Alternatives to Murder?
by Dolorosa on Jun 16, 2002 - 07:21 PM
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Dude! Shhh! Don't talk about that!!


Re: Alternatives to Murder?
by Skarphedin on Jun 18, 2002 - 03:23 PM
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I liked two suggestions:

Once Child Protective Services is in your life, they're almost _impossible_ to get out of it. They'll put a microscope up his ass and leave it there. Once they talk to you, you'll be able to spill it all to them.

Also, if they still make chocolate Ex-Lax, you can make cookies out of it (brownies, etc) and leave them where only he will eat them. It's a petty revenge, but I bet it'll feel good (to you.) >:)

But I have a suggestion of my own, if you have the balls for it. Provoke him with words only into beating the shit out of you and have him arrested and put in jail. The more pathetic and scared and teary you are, the faster the cops will cuff him.

Of course, he'll get out of jail some time, so be prepared for retribution if you don't move out, but if he's been in jail for a while, at least your mom will have had the experience of living without him for a while and realizing she can do just fine without him.

Good luck,

Skarp


Re: Alternatives to Murder?
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com)
on Jun 20, 2002 - 11:57 AM
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ways to "kill" him without going to jail....
1) exlax in food
2) no doz in everything he eats
3) introduce actual drugs into this food until he is hooked, then discontinue doses. stay away from crack and pcp for this as they tend to induce violence in people.
4) tell all his friends and family, the local newspaper, the school papers, a memo at his work, a letter to his boss, and all his favorite bars.
5) call the irs and tell them that you know that he has undeclared income
6) when he is at work, crank call the work place alll day from various pay phones
7) call in social services and get ready for a new kind of hell, one that doesnt hurt much but has lots of paperwork.
8) locate and tell the meanest gangs in town, include that he touches inappropriatly....
9) call a womens shelter and ask for help
10) confront him with witnesses (people over 18 from the local abuser's annon group. they do interventions and they are often big burly men) and tell him that he has a problem and that you care about him and dont want this problem to distroy his life. (called killing with kindness)
11) hire a hooker/escort to call at the house 30 minutes after he gets home so that your mom can find honest rage in herself to do all this.
12) take him to small claims court for theft, or propert damage or something
13) get a military recruiter to come around to recruit him
15) walk out and show the younger sib(s) that they can leave bad things too, when they are old enough.


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