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Articles: Goth Bashing is alive in America
Posted by Shade on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 07:11 PM PST

Politics
OK, the link that is (probably was pretty soon) at the top of this page read:
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Anyone in the United States old enuf to pay
their federal income taxes should read this
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When I clicked it it went to a page that said the article had been deleted. Never one to give up easily, especially not when our deity has spoken, I poked a bit. I found the article in what looked like an automatic archive of the St Louis Post-Dispatch, the original article can be found here. In order to make absolutely certain the article didn't go away I clicked for the Printer friendly version, and saved it off. now seeing as how the original article had been deleted the same day it hit the news, I decided that perhaps it was in response to pressure from the political sector which is responsible for this outrage, so...I saved it and am mirroring the article in it's printer friendly format here. Where it will stay for ages to come.


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Re: Goth Bashing is alive in America
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Apr 11, 2002 - 12:43 AM
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I found this particularly amusing...it's what the simon corp. (owns tacoma and northlake mall...simon is a corporation owned by the xian coallition, by the way) said about hot topic.
That they are responsible for the degeneration and corruption of american youth and promote behavioral and emotional problems in children. That's awfulluy funny, as we have no bad words of sexual inuendo's allowed on our employees or merchancice. We support delinquency, yeah...
It sort of gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that my tax money is helping kids that already have a tough time establishing their individuality ans ense of self and self expression an even harder time by funding brainwashing and military conformation of today's kids via the rape of my paychecks.
Combat the goth subculture....fun for the whole family, sounds like ot me...


Re: Goth Bashing is alive in America
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com)
on Apr 11, 2002 - 06:18 AM
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Reasons for the government to combat goth:

1. It's a distinctive look, and thus easy to pick on.
2. Most goths are nonconformists, non-joiners, and freethinkers. (this is what scares the piss out of the people in control)

It has nothing to do with violence or moral decomposition... there are many other subcultures that promote way more violence and moral decay than goths do. It's the fact that we cannot be controlled. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we got the "terrorist" label applied to us eventually for control purposes. Right now, they're going after the kids. I guess they think if they can stop them while they're kids, they won't grow up to be radicals, or be able to escape the system.


Fucking godamn piece of shit country
by VampCourt (Morbidchic@hotmail.com)
on Apr 11, 2002 - 07:45 AM
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There Countless amounts of homeless people. Sick dying people.. People who have hard hard lives that use a little help. And this countrys fucking paying money to have little "medical" experiments on goths. thats FUCKED up.


*vampcourt is now up in flames and will be fuming for the next few hours..


Re: Goth Bashing is alive in America
by feralucce on Apr 11, 2002 - 08:11 AM
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I am initiating contact with mr. Kit Bond as we speak... and I am sure you all would like to keep abreast of this... if you are interested let me know


Please discourage Rep. Graves!
by gothvail (vail@gothicamateur.com)
on Apr 11, 2002 - 08:36 AM
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And I was just coming here to post the same article! Well, last night, I wrote an e-mail to Rep. Sam Graves, and I would like to encourage you to do the same. Please appeal to his sense of reason and don't try to bitch him out, thereby reinforcing his negative image of goths. Anyway, here is my letter to him:

Dear Sir,

I am frankly appalled by the idea that gothic culture could be considered to be dangerous. I consider myself to be "goth" and have done so for years. All this means is that I like a certain kind of music, prefer a certain kind of clothing and occasionally wear dark makeup.

But "goth" is not the only way I define myself. I am also a postgraduate students of archaeology at the University of [xxxxx], England. I am a Christian and consider myself to be rather conservative. I do not smoke, drink or do any drugs, and have never found myself on the wrong side of the law.

Many of my friends are also "goth". No, not all of them are Christians, nor are they tee-totalers. What we do have in common is that we are willing to accept one another's differences and not let them get in the way of our having a good time together and enjoying our friendships with one another. Please do not support legislation which discriminates against me or the many fine people I know and love.

Sincerely,
[Vail]

You can e-mail Rep. Sam Graves at sam.graves@mail.house.gov

Rep. Graves' congressional website: http://www.house.gov/graves/

Rep. Graves' Congressional Offices:

Washington D.C. Office:
Rep. Sam Graves
1407 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone: 202 225-7041
Fax: 202 225-8221

District Offices:
Rep. Sam Graves
113 Blue Jay Drive, Suite 200
Liberty, Missouri 64068
Phone: 816 792-3976
Fax: 816 792-0694

Rep. Sam Graves
201 S. 8th Street, Room 330
St. Joseph, Missouri 64501
Phone: 816-233-9818
Fax: 816 233-9848


Re: Goth Bashing is alive in America
by feralucce on Apr 11, 2002 - 09:30 AM
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Sent to Sam Graves and "Kit" (obnoxious yuppy nickname" Bond
Dear Sirs,
I wish to address a matter of growing concern of mine. As you know, the "Pig Book" 2002 recently came out. Within its pages is something quite disturbing. $237,437 has been set aside for a program to combat the "Goth subculture." According to the news paper articles about this very thing, there will be therapy, research and even training for police officers to recognize the "threat."

I realize that Eastern Jackson County Missouri and Blue Springs Missouri may have some problems with youth violence and crime, but what concerns me is the out of hand labeling of the offenders responsible as "Goth." I am part of a large number of your constituents that find this labeling both unfair, and offensive. Many of us located throughout Missouri and many other states (since it is their tax money as well) would like, very much to get information on what is considered by officials and law enforcement as Goth.

Our main source of concern is the fact that this sets a precedent that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It sets up a precedent, that in the future, could be used to abuse and harass a section of the public due to their choice of crede. In the workplace it is not legal to discriminate based on race, color, sex, or crede. Why should it be legal on the streets?

At this point, we would like to receive information on this topic, and set up a correspondence so that this may be cleared up.

Concerned Constituent Questioning for Many
Kriss Hoffman


Re: Goth Bashing is alive in America
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com)
on Apr 11, 2002 - 10:29 AM
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Anyone up for a bit of research? Find out how many states have already spent money on anti-goth initiatives. I know of 4 others....
Some programs started as early as '83 some as recent as '01. So far as i know, it has always started as a religious (read Christian)thing in a given community and the active, bored soccor moms have pushed it to the state level.
I once had the oppertunity to talk to one of these women that had pushed for an anti-goth initiative in my community. I showed up rather conservativly dressed in my business dress ( i was a sales manager for one of the largest chains in the US at the time) and she wouldnt belive me that i was goth.
She told me that goths never hold jobs, are thieves and vandals, try to seduce young children and kidnap them (while making the kid believe that they are running away), are violent and cruel, are drunks and prostitutes, and dabble in the occult.
I told her about my life and my friends who do street resue of runaways, give money and TIME to charities, live non-violent lives, have thier AA tolkens or thier signed pledge to never do drugs, buy old buildings and restore them, and so forth.
She called me a liar and a fool. She told me that the goths had pulled the wool over my eyes and were perverting my soul making me unworthy in god's eyes.
I saw at that point that there was no point talking farther, as it was a religious thing, not a concious thing, thanked her for her time, and left.
When i talked to the city counsel i got a similar response from some of them, but thankfully the majority saw that MOST of the goths that they had pictures of (!!!!) had good jobs, no complaints from their apartment complexes, qualified for credit cards and loans, and most importantly NO criminal record for any of the crimes that they stood accused of commiting.
Instead of spending the money to harrass the local goths, they spent it most on outreach to the kids that needed thier help and on a survey to see if goth kids actually did more drugs or sold more drugs that "normal" kids.
The survey showed that goth kids were less likely to do drugs, less likely to sell drugs, and more likely to stop doing drugs than "normal" kids...
Yuppers goth kids are the problem, since they wont act normal and do lots of low grade drugs like the "good" kids


Re: Goth Bashing is alive in America
by kat_vamp (catvamp@msn.com)
on Apr 12, 2002 - 12:50 AM
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Dear God(dess)! Well, the sh** is really starting to hit the fan now. If Goths are in line to be subjected to governmental torture and annhilation, who's next? Bambi? No, seriously, I had no idea this was going on. I don't feel I'm in a place to write to anyone about this subject, as I am not your Upstanding Gothic Image (PTSD gives ya some wierd side-effects, tho I don't drink or do drugs, except prescription.) But WOW...I just don't know what to say. Maybe I should take in some of these homeless Goth kids or something. (As if my GF would let me.) What else can I do besides write? (I simply cannot write a letter saying how great I am [even if I think I am] when I'm hyped up on psycho-meds...it would be too hypocritical) How can I help?


Re: Goth Bashing is alive in America
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Apr 12, 2002 - 12:57 AM
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Hey I've got a capital IDEA, folks.
Demand our part of the money that funds the "research" that was taken via taxes BACK.
We won't get it, of course, but might raise a few eyebrows....


Re: Goth Bashing is alive in America
by Sardonic-Pain (Lilgothicchicka@yahoo.com)
on Apr 12, 2002 - 06:05 AM
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i was rather upset myself although I live in Virginia that kinda crap pisses me off. Doesn't the U.S have something better to do. Shouldn't state governments be using their money for something else. Hell, what good is it gonna do to put some kid into medical experiments. Everyone is too busy pointing fingers at someone else when more than likely some kids are getting off to the idea of being the problem Not to mention with all the "Goth experiment" stuff arn't kids only gonna get more ridicule with their peers. Thanks for making my teenyears a little more comfortable!


Re: Goth Bashing is alive in America
by goathead (toxic@hotbrev.com)
on Apr 12, 2002 - 09:29 AM
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I don't think this is anything to worry or bother about.. In a way it might have a good outcome cause kids who have got issues might get the help they need. But wouldn't really think of it as a threat to the goth community(but a severe insult, that's for sure..). I mean, seriously, what're they gonna do? Scare people into conformity?

But it does piss me off though...


Re: Goth Bashing is alive in America
by asja (persephone53@hotmail.com)
on Apr 29, 2002 - 01:44 AM
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god this is unbelievable. its kinda ironic how history just keeps repeating itself, in the 60's and 70's they were saying the same things about the hippie thing, i mean some of these beauraucrats were probabl;y involved in that but have just sold out and are scapegoating the threat of a free-thinking refuse-to-be-fed-bullshit sub culture.
Although not from the US, but oz, this still really pisses me off, i mean isn't the us meant to be the land of the free and all that crap? free speech and thus free expression....oh the irony.

(p.s. i'm not american bashing its still pretty dodgy here, its just our government is too focused on doing things like violating the rights of asylum seekers at the moment to worry about some sombre kids in black. )


Re: Goth Bashing is alive in America
by Ashlinn (newts_in_suits@hotmail.com)
on Aug 03, 2002 - 08:46 PM
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I actually read this article when it first was published.. I have family in St. Louis and my parents cut it out for me. I'm so glad that you guys are addressing the topic. I think the (white christian male-supremist) American governments are mostly just afraid of what they don't understand. I don't know why they can't go after the people who sit outside my grandma's house and rev their engines to impress their girlfriends or start fights in the streets. But they can tell just by looking at us that we're different and they don't like that very much.


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